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Do any of y’all run any of the super deep or deep plus crankbaits? Wondering about some Mann’s deep+. Say they run 15-20 feet? Would like to get deep without having 120+ foot of line out. What do y’all do to get em down?
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I'm playing around with the Off Shore Tackle Tadpole diving weights. I can use a normal sized bait and get it as deep as I want with the #3 Tadpoles.
If you use weights, why not just push? Or powertroll with large pony jigs.
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I have some Norman DD22's that I sometimes use when i want to go deep. They are a large sized bait but the crappie don't mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iwannafish
That’s what I was wondering. Most of the deep plus cranks are 3 inches. I’ve got a bunch of old ones from my bass days. May hit em with some paint and see what happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by "G"
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Carolina rig a 1/2 oz. weight before a 3 ft. leader to your crank . Not an exact depth due to lack of ability to judge depth that far from boat . I will say that I start at 30 ft. of line out and add as no bites occur . Whatever the bite comes I can reproduce . I do this with 300 size baits .:twocents
I had wondered about trying that.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle 1
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I do the same with 1.5 ozQuote:
Originally Posted by eagle 1
I’ve never had any luck with the big baits.
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What's so wrong about "Pushing" ??
I Push jigs with 1oz weights @ 1mph & cranks with 2oz weights @ ~1.5mph (and if push came to shove, I have 4oz weights I could use) .... and so far I haven't had more than 50ft of line out (& that was Pushing jigs with 1/2oz weights, back before I had the heavier weights).
Personally, unless you "have to" fish from the rear of the boat, I don't see "Pulling" being more efficient or better than "Pushing" ... because I can reel in a fish from 20-30ft back faster than 70-100ft back, and still maintain my course & watch my DF for upcoming snags and veer from them at the same time. A quick course change when Pushing will move the baits away from potential danger spots and turns & turnarounds much quicker & in less time/space than when Pulling ... plus I don't have to remember/figure the distance between when the boat runs over a submerged tree/brushpile & how far back my baits are vs how much distance I'll cover & how much time I have to avoid them at my current speed. :twocents
And if <6" Crappie will jump on a 300 Bandit, I see no reason why a larger Crappie would think twice about jumping on a larger crank. And I've caught them & seen them caught every time I've been using cranks :biggrin
Pulling instead of pushing allows me one less set of rods . Also still further away from boat .Quote:
Originally Posted by Iwannafish
"What's so wrong about "Pushing" ??"
Pappy, I set my boat and gear up with the mindset of a client who is stepping into my boat without a clue of what to do. A large % of my clients are challenged by the simplest of trolling gear, much less spider-rigging gear. If I was fishing myself or with experienced friends, I would be pushing cranks a large % of the time. After I had one client drop his power-trolling rig right in front of my trolling motor prop TWICE in ONE HOUR after me telling him multiple times to not drop it anywhere near the front of the boat, and getting 2 14' Southern Crappie Rods 143Ts ground up into 6 footers then spending 20 minutes taking the prop off the Terrova TWICE, I have come to the conclusion that pulling just works better for me in most situations.
I like to "Pull". It is more comfortable in the boat. You can spread out and walk around in the boat instead of sitting spider rig style up front. More like pleasure boating. Way more room. 4 people can easily get a chance to man a rod or two so its more fun for the family instead of 2 at a time up front. If you do get snagged it is much safer on the rods in that they pull off the spool and not double and triple the rod over when pushing. Most importantly everyone can get under the bimini top where as when up on the front deck few biminis cover that far.
I use one ounce weights about 3 feet above the crankbait. This cuts the amount of line out way down. Makes turning easier. Less hang ups tangles line wraps etc. Faster reeling in and out etc. To each his own. Plus it makes me feel like we are fishing like the guys on Wicked Tuna.
Pulling also allows us to use the trolling motor transducer as almost like a forward scanning sonar. Meaning I see what is ahead of my baits (good or bad) long before the hooks get there. Watching the screen I can holler "Get ready guys we are coming up on a ball of shad or reel them up guys there is snag coming up kinda thing". We use this same scanning technique (except use the rear transducer) when backdrifting the Mississippi for giant catfish as well so we can keep our baits right on the bottom where the fish are without snagging. You don't get as much lead time backdrfiting as you do pulling but every second counts when you have 6 rods with 10 bucks of gear each heading toward a sunken barge.
I use 2oz weights weather pushing or pulling or both. With less line out, I can make much shorter turns.