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ever paid thismuch for just a rod for panfish?
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380 dollars for just the rod alone for crappie lol for that price id think it had magnets that chase the buggers and doesnt even come with a reel i dont see even spending over 45 for a rod for panfish u can get a great one from bass pro for 29 dollars there has to be only like 10 people on earth that would buy that rod at full price
They are chasing the JDM (Japanese Domestic Market). I have a rod wrapping catalog (Matagi Style Book), from Japan, that list St Croix blanks along with their Aji and Mebaru blanks. Buy what you can afford- it all works.
Wait till you check out fly rods or trolling rods.....
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Originally Posted by matt1991
You have obviously never set foot inside a fly shop.Quote:
Originally Posted by matt1991
I have not ever paid that much....but a lot of people do....way more than you think.
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I have three rods a friend made for me,( its his hobby), i never had a real good quality rod growing up and decided to do it. I order all the materials i want used , he adds a few things . he would not take any money for building the rods when done but i always give him a gift cert. for something. Anyway the cost always seems to be just a little over $200 when done. Two of the are for salmon- steelhead and one i use for crappie. I dont regret one minute the money spent. I have always ordered the materials from Mudhole. The blanks have all been MHX, im not a rod builder , i just fish.
if it was Guaranteed to catch a 5# CRAPPIE Naw I buy all at Garage sales and clearance racks ....and repair if needed..
Yes....here are a few I own....plan on purchasing about 50 more before I can no longer fish.
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Very Nice Alphahawk!
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Everyone's passions are different . I have the following Okuma cellio , Shakespeare Micro series , Browning Air stream . The most expensive is the Browning that I bought from a guy on this site . I use Pflouger reels , mainly the 2025 . I do have two fly rods that I would not tell a psychiatrist how much they cost . lol The cost in order was 24.00 , 9.00 (Walmart on sale )and 50.00.
Nope, it would break just like all my other rods!!!
I’ve broke 2 in 5 years......cried for a little while....then got online and ordered the top section for both rods to replace.Quote:
Originally Posted by Central Minn
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Originally Posted by glasseyes
unlessyour super rich and have money to burn how is a rod like that that much better than a 40 dollar crappie rod most people use? can u catch moby dick with it? id hope it would never break imagine the shame and tears ud have if that thing snapped with no warranty lol
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Originally Posted by eagle 1
iv never seen many fly rods iv seen a few at walmart before i always wanted to try fly fishing for bluegill looks superfun but i heard its pretty hard to learn by yourself
I'll never deny anyone the right to spend their money any way they see fit, but after I paid the lawyers and court fees and alimony it would cost me alot more than $340.00 lol.
i've got 6 jdm's only one was well over 380.00 but most were pretty close. they've all got high quality reels on them. but i don't have any family and work hard for a pretty good living so my money goes to fishing tackle and high end shotguns cause i love to bird hunt as much as fish. do you need that kind of equipment to catch fish and kill birds? no you don't. my grandpaw caught more than one man could eat in a liftime with cane poles he cut out of his own back yard. :twocents
Some people are happy eating sirloin, others prefer fillet or prime rib.. And what's with all the color choices on vehicles. Henry Ford had it right when he offered any color ya wanted, so long as it was black.Quote:
Originally Posted by matt1991
I have two high end orvis rods that were over double the price of that. It's only as expensive as you make it
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When I get ready to buy anything I always give myself a couple months to think about it and do research on the product whether it be fishing rods or what. If I still want it after that time I will buy it if I can afford it. My preacher once preached a sermon on money and this is what he said. If the good Lord blesses you with diamonds baby let them shine. Don't have any diamonds but I do have some nice BnM rods and been thinking a couple months about a Sharpshooter 6 rod which I may pick up tomorrow.
Have 2 Winston 4wt TMF (Tom Morgan Favorite) fly rods that I paid $359.oo each on sale in late 1990s. Price for one last time I looked was $699.oo. And have $219.oo Galvan fly reel on each. So I have 2 flyfishing combos (rod / reel $580.oo each) only used for bluegill bream panfish flyfishing. Oh and forgot the $49.oo Scientific Angler fly line on each. -----> Life is short so enjoy while you can doing things you enjoy doing (within your budget). <------
I have a Winston IM6 6wt. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by zig zag
One of my golden rules in life is never tell another man how to spend his money. It only becomes my business when he ask me for money.
I've seen used split bamboo fly rods go for 10 grand on ebay
An excellent builder just north of Atlanta:Quote:
Originally Posted by FIN
bamboo fly rods
He used to sell much cheaper rods, but the demand was so great, he raised his prices. ;)
honestly i know you can catch fish with just about anything i have for over 50 years. BUT if you tell me you cant tell the difference between a GOOD rod and a walmart special when using it then i question your ability to feel the sensation of how it feels. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by matt1991
And i might add, im far from wealthy but over the last ten years i kind of wanted to buy myself three good rods before i retire. I do have probably another 12-15 rods ive collected over the years and use them all at one time or another and i know ive never spent over $50-$60 for any one of them. I did feel a little shameful when i had these three made but it wasnt all at once , it was over a five year period. most fisherman spend more than that on many different items when you start adding it up , including gas to get there. so now that im almost to retire im pretty happy about the purchse .
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Originally Posted by glasseyes
i guess it would depend on what you think good is most people wont ever use a 100 dollar rod everyone i know who fishes only uses basic zebcos the most tbh iv ever seen anyone pay is 70 dollars for a combo lol so id not know the difference
i only fish for cats and crappie/panfish and usually u need multiple rods for that thats why i couldnt see myself paying over 70 for a combo if i only needed the one rod then sure i could pay over 100 maybe for a combo but i like to take 6 rods when i go so i have a bunch of cheap zebcos for that
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well i know what my new career choice is gonna b lol screw coaching this is where its at XD
My rule is that you never talk about how much your toys cost!
im starting to agree with this, no matter what you try to explain, everyone is different and looks at their own wants and likes differently. to each his own. I do know as the older i get things do seem to take on a different meaning when it comes to a want or a need. Hard to explain to someone when it comes to things like this but anyway all fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by CliffordN
I never tell people how to spend their money. I might not agree with how they spend it but it's none of my business, it's not my money. I don't own a rod that expensive but I have numerous rods over $100. I have a couple cheap rods also, and there is a definite difference in weight and feel between a quality rod and a cheap rod. My cheap rods are usually what I take camping and let other people use. A quality rod typically has better materials and better warranties. I have St. Croix rods that are 20 years old and are still as good as the day I bought them. Some of the cheaper rods I have bought didn't last a season and I take good care of my gear. To each their own.
im not trying to tell someone how to spend there money thats there business i just dont see how someone could value a fishing rod at such a high cost it couldnt cost them even half of what they are charging
i find it weird people always talk about having there rods break i must say iv never had a rod break ever in my life i guess the rods that are breaking is cause they are using super ultra light rods to get a much better feel of the fish is that right?
rods break for many number of reasons, accidents are my main cause. and accidents do happen. carelessness , being in a hurry, etc. believe me it happens. if you live long enough it happens. personally i think just about everyone i know has had something happen over the years. of course im talking of us baby boomer crowd.
I tend to agree with you. I have read the entire thread and have not seen where anybody can tell you what the difference is in the fishing experience between using a high cost pole and a medium priced one. I am thinking that like most things there isn't one.Quote:
Originally Posted by matt1991
Better rods tend to be lighter and more sensitive. I inherited a Loomis UL rod from my dad. It's close to forty years old, but it's still better than 90% of what Bass Pro/Cabelas sell today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fastdrop
As with anything, the "law of diminishing returns" applies to fishing rods. There's probably more difference between a $100 rod and a $20 rod than there is between a $200 rod and a $100 rod -- but there is a difference. It's up to the fisherman to decide if the difference is worth it.
You really have to look at the reason "why" the rod is so much money.
In the custom rod world, people pay to get exactly what they want. There are simply too many components out there and you wouldn't possibly be able to create enough combinations to please everyone. Of course, when you start going this way, you are having a rod built usually for one specific purpose. So here is an example:
I have a customer that wants a 6'3" MLXF rod. He is ONLY going to be using it for jigging 1/2oz to 3/4oz jigs in a verticle fashion. He wants a foregrip 5 inches as he jigs hand forward of the reel seat. He wants a 6 inch rear grip and he wants the rod to balance in front of the reel seat so he can fish with it all day long. He wants it to be the lightest thing out there and he has a very specific reel he wants to use. I purchase the blank, special guide eyes that will NOT break or bend, and match the reel seat and cork accordingly. The materials cost right at $235.00. Is this too much? Well, when you look at a normal COTS (commercial off the shelf rod) the majority of the eyes used cost around 35 cents. The eyes in this particular rod are up to 25 bucks. The difference, lightweight, last forwever, cannot break or bend. I sell the rod for $400.00. Of that, $235 is materials, and 10 dollars goes to pay the federal excise tax that is required by law! So, I make $155.00 on that rod. It took just over 15 hours to complete. That ends up being $10.34 cents per hour. I don't know about you, but I don't work for $10.34 an hour BUT, I cannot justify charging anymore for this rod. This is ONE reason why rods are expensive.
Here is another thought:
St. Croix makes rod everyone can buy. A lot of people see them as the gold standard in terms of what they are willing to spend. The upper thresh hold so to speak. Now, they also sell blanks for the custom builder. I can buy a blank, build it the exact same way as the above mentioned rod and guess what? The rod is still sold for $400 bucks. The difference you ask? The rod is the same BUT, the builder offers something that St. Croix cannot offer. WHich is the ability to customize a rod.
So, to answer the question in general: I would NEVER purchase a COTS rod for even close to that amount of money. But, I would build a purpose driven rod for whatever it takes to get exactly what I want.
The above reasons is one of the main reasons I got out of building rods and selling them. In order to make an hourly rate that is worthwhile, you sometimes have to charge prices that you simply cannot justify! In the end, I don't really care what people use or don't use. I don't care what they buy or don't buy. It's your money, do what you want with it. I won't judge you if you have an 8 dollar rod or a 300 dollar rod. But there is a difference. Average joe fisherman probably doesn't even get the maximum out of their 40 dollar rod. Those of us that use them daily and, in some regards, make a living (guides, fishing professionals, tournament anglers) do see the difference in these rods.
So, what exactly is the difference:Quote:
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I'll try to explain using the St Croix example I used above:
They sell a COTS rod with a specific set of guide eyes (cheap). The rod has a split grip (a lot of us hate them), and it is only sold with EVA foam. Many of us in the northern climate prefer cork. So, you are either stuck with this particual rod as it is and purchase a reel that will balance it, you find something else, OR you have one built.
This rod comes with 7 guide eyes. Yes, they are probably ok however you are going to be using this rod for jigging. 7 eyes doesn't follow the rod bend as much as you would like and creates a "pinch point" in the rod. This usually results in broken rods at the pinch point. As a custom builder, you see this and you put in (9) guide eyes. This eliminates the pinch point, puts a lower profile on the line running from the reel to the tip, and in turn makes the rod better.
The COTS rod reel seat usually have masking tape built up underneith them to make up the gap between the blank and the reel seat. This tape has been known in some instances (when not applied correctly) to deaden the feel of the rod. A good builder (or company) will utilizing carbon reel seat arbors, graphite arbors, OR, they will apply the tape correctly, sealing it with the appropriate level of appoxy which extends the sensativity of the rod through the blank and into the reel seat. THIS is one of the major differences between a 20 dollar rod and a 250 dollar rod. As stated above, FEEL. I could build two identicle rods with two different reel seat arbors and you WOULD be able to tell the difference immediately!
COTS rods will only balance certain reels. You may have to go larger (say a 2500 series instead of a 1500 series reel) in order for the rod to balance. This results in the take off of the line leaving the bail to be different or larger than the 1500 reel. Custom builders use a formula to specifically place the first guide eye (known as the stripper guide). This is done so the line is not deflected which results in longer casting, less friction on retrieves, and little to no eye wear.
Take notice when you look at a lot of rods. Chances are they are using a 25mm or 30mm stripper eye. The reason for this is that they cannot be for certain which reel you are going to use so, the bigger the eye in a basic or generic placement helps cover bases. As you go up in price, you will notice guide eyes getting smaller, there are more of them, and their profiles are much different. As I said previously, you can pay 35 cents for one guide eye or 25 bucks. There is a huge difference.
Weight is another issue. The same I can build the same St. Croix blank built at the factory and reduce the overall weight by 1/3rd. It doesn't sound like much to sum, but that is a huge diffence to others. Especially when you use it for 8 to 12 hours per day.
Then you have materials. You have all glass, all composit, glass composit, graphite, high modulus graphite, different resins and different techniques to apply it all. Each componant has its advantages for one or several applications. Purchasing an ATV rod for all purposes usuallys ends with the user having a rod that isn't specifically great at any one task but does ok at several.
Lightweight, sensativity of feel, sensativity of the materials, castability, form, fit, function all play a role in the overall difference. I can try and answer specific questions if you ask but know that there is a difference. Oftentimes, the difference between a higher dollar rod and a lower dollar one has nothing to do with the blank itself but more the componants that go in to building it.
Ever seen a 10 dollar eagle claw blank that is YELLOW! Lots of us have. Heck, I own a few of them. Would you be surprised if I told you that that exact same blank is built from a different company and is sold for 80 bucks? You guys probably own them! The difference between the rods (besides the yellow color) is the materials and componants that went in to making the rod. One of them probably took someone 20 minutes to make, the other took them two hours to make. In the end, there is a difference between the two rods in terms of feel. I've cut many rods apart just to see what is under a reel seat. Trust me, the above holds true most of the time when dealing with cheap rods and tape arbors!
I can go on for days on differences in materials, componants, propriatary blends, and so on. In the end you can choose to try one or not try one.
I buy the upper end of what I am comfortable paying for whether it's rods,reels,guns, trucks, boats or shoes. Finances change so pricing changes. If I was comfortable paying that I would. But there is a time when you hit a line where you no longer get an advantage for $$. Just have not hit that point yet. But whatever anyone uses I don't judge, if it's nice I admire, if it is all someone can afford, I admire it. Go fish in with what ya have and enjoy it.
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