proposed changes for Jordan lake Crappie

The NC wildlife is looking to change the min. size on Crappie at Jordan. I'm not sure about everyone else but I do not like this at all and we need to stop this change. If you disagree with this change Contact the NC wildlife and let them know North Carolina Wildlife Resources Commission.






Crappie




F10. Remove the exception to the general statewide regulation for crappie in

B. Everett Jordan Reservoir by reducing the minimum size limit from 10 inches to

8 inches. The creel limit would remain 20 fish per day.





Justification: Anglers have expressed interest in aligning the size limit for crappie

at Jordan Reservoir with other fishing waters across the state. The proposed change

would provide additional angling opportunity. Crappie abundance, size structure,

and age structure indicate the population can support the additional harvest.

They have lost their collective minds!!!

Raise it to 12”!

Wrong Direction! I'd like to see 12" limit.

I'm with everyone else--leave it along or raise it. I'm going to do some homework and see the rational.

It looks like the Public Hearings are ongoing at this time. It looks like the last meeting the Jan. 24 in Rocky Mount is the closer one to the Raleigh area. We may need to see about getting together a caravan to attend this meeting. Public pressure does make a difference.

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DISTRICT

CITY

LOCATION

Jan. 8, 2019 (Tues.)

4

Dublin

Bladen Community College
Auditorium, Bldg. 9, Multipurpose Room
7418 N.C. Hwy. 41W
Dublin, NC 28332

Jan. 9, 2019 (Wed.)

5

Graham

Old Alamance County Courthouse
1 SE Court Square
Graham, NC 27253

Jan. 10, 2019 (Thurs.)

6

Albemarle

Stanly County Agri-Civic Center
26032-B Newt Road
Albemarle, NC 28001

Jan. 15, 2019 (Tues.)

9

Clyde

Haywood Community College
Auditorium
185 Freelander Drive
Clyde, NC 28721

Jan. 16, 2019 (Wed.)

8

Morganton

Western Piedmont Community College
Leviton Auditorium, Moore Hall
1001 Burkemont Ave.
Morganton, NC 28655

Jan. 17, 2019 (Thurs.)

7

Elkin

Elkin High School
334 Elk Spur Street
Elkin, NC 28621

Jan. 22, 2019 (Tues.)

1

Edenton

Chowan County Public Safety Center
305 W. Freemason St.
Edenton, NC 27932

Jan. 23, 2019 (Wed.)

2

New Bern

Craven Community College
Orringer Auditorium
800 College Court
New Bern, NC 28562

Jan. 24, 2019 (Thurs.)

3

Rocky Mount

Nash Community College
Brown Auditorium
522 N. Old Carriage Road
Rocky Mount, NC 27804

Here is the actual proposed rule itself:

15A NCAC 10C .0306 CRAPPIE
The proposed amendment to the Rule will reduce the minimum size limit for crappie in B.
Everett Jordan Reservoir from 10 to 8 inches and establish a 9-inch minimum size limit and 25-
fish daily creel limit for crappie in the North Carolina portion of John H. Kerr Reservoir.
The proposed change to this Rule for B. Everett Jordan Reservoir will provide additional angling
opportunity. Anglers have expressed interest in aligning the size limit at Jordan Reservoir with
other fishing waters around the state. Crappie abundance, size structure, and age structure
indicate the population can support the additional harvest. The proposed change to this Rule for
John H. Kerr Reservoir was requested by Virginia Department of Game and Inland Fish
(VDGIF) to reduce angler harvest and improve the quality of the reservoir’s crappie fishery. By
agreement, VDGIF is the primary lead for fisheries management activities at John H. Kerr
Reservoir. VDGIF staff have observed high harvest rates and reduced density of crappie.
Fiscal Impact
State Impact
This rule amendment will have no impact as the change is part of routine fisheries management.
Local Impact
This rule has no local government impact.
Private Impact
No substantial fiscal impacts are anticipated. While the proposed rule change will alter what
anglers may harvest, they are not expected to impact overall participation in fishing. The WRC
does not have a mechanism to determine the specific fiscal impact of the proposed change.

In my opinion, this benefits most the illegal bank fishermen. Now they can be written a citation for fishing with out a license and undersized fish. For most of them, they would, under the proposed new regulation, just get a citation for not having a license. Numerous times over the past few years, Wildlife officers have told us that unlicensed bank fishermen cause the most problems for the officers. I see this as increasing more illegal activity.

Below is the information for the NC Widlife Fisheries biologist and asst. biologist for Jordan lake. Kelsey's number for office and mobile are the same. Her mailbox was full and not receiving any more messages. I did get Seth's mobile mailbox and left him a message to call me back. I'll let you guys know any information I can get from Wildlife.

District 5
Fish Bio – Kelsey Lincoln
Office: 919-618-7945
Mobile: 919-618-7945

Asst. Biologist
Seth Mycko
Office: 336-290-0053
Mobile: 336-534-0019

While we're talking about it they should put a 12" limit on Falls and Harris Lakes too.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by REDBOAT

While we're talking about it they should put a 12" limit on Falls and Harris Lakes too.

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Definitely need creel limits on these lakes.

Just a honest question here..would it be possible that local bait shops and other businesses would lose money if those who live a few hours or further away decide that it's not worth it if the creel and\or size changed? more specifically by raising the size limit? I know many of the locals on the kerr lake message board would love to see a size increase (creel limits are no brainers) on Kerr which would most likely cause far fewer trips by law abiding out-of-towners which would negatively impact businesses\bait shops in that area also. I can understand some of the thinking tho..that the pressure would fall off their waters and the size of the fish would have a great result...just not sure where the happy medium is here....the "illegal" bank people are in my experiences the most damaging both up there and in my home salt waters here in Wilmington.

I've been exchanging voicemails with the Wildlife game biologist for Jordan Lake. She is actually out on the lake doing their winter sampling this week. If they are contemplating lowering the size limit, they should have concrete data proving why they should lower the size. It's this data I would like to see and share it on this forum. This data is public information and can be shared with the public.

I agree needs to staybat 10 inches. We drive over 1.5 hours just to fish this lake because it is a great lake and always produces nice fish.

State Wide needs 10 inch size limit except the "exception" lakes.

Thinking of raising the min size to 12"is a little ridiculous.
The most reasonable thing to do would be to urge for a slot rule.
5 over 10" and 10 under 10".
Anyone who has ever managed a pond or small lake knows that removing the smaller fish increases size and quality of your trophy stock.
There are many more people going to fish for something to eat and a nice day away from chores rather than just looking for the monster.
A slot is the easiest way to control the size of the fish.
I really dislike driving 1.5 hrs and spending 100.00 on gas and bait to go and catch 200 fish at 9.75".
Fun yes but 6 mouths will still be hungry.

In my opinion it might not hurt the over all population but will hurt the big fish population. If you want a trophy lake you must let the fish grow to trophy size. I don't know if our growing season is long enough to have many 3lb crappie but I sure would go along with anything that help the lake head in that direction. If the shad population will support the growing number of fish I say raise the limit 12 like these other trophy lakes. and let them grow. You know nature has its own ways of taking care of itself.

I disagree. I fish Randleman when it is open and they have no limit at all. People take coolers of crappie out of that lake all the time. I have fished this lake for many years now and they have not gotten anywhere near Jordan quality of fish, but the drive home is nice. It's not the bank people that support the revenue it's the true sportsman and tournament anglers that support all of these things you speak of.If I have a choice about spending my time and money I'm going to go where I know I hav a chance of a 12ld limit of tournament fish not 8in friers. Just my opinion

Does anyone remember how Jordan became the premier crappie lake in this part of the country ?

lol, they went from 8” to 10” size limit

I think the goal is not to produce tournament-sized fish, but a healthy population of spawning females. If you look at my other post with the biologist data from Jordan, 8" crappie are two years old. There is no question that the large 2-3 pound females have more eggs and better genetics. One thing Monk always complained about was the gene studies were not done on our crappie. I'm still trying to get my hands on the current data. Will keep you posted.

Harris has more than an abundance of shad to support a larger fish population. It's nothing to go there and see shad 20 feet thick or more for several feet in length. I've left Harris before at night and seen many boats come off there with coolers full of crappie. Guy came off with 4 large coolers packed. He was happy to show me and brag about it. I just walked away before I said something I shouldn't. Gotta fillet a lot 6 to 8 inch fish to be worth eating. Fillet a couple of 10 or 12 inch fish and you have a meal real quick.
I think they should allow people to keep 5 or 6 fish under 10" at Jordan. I've seen numerous people, including myself, catch crappie in 30 feet of water and throw them back just watch them float away because they have the bends from coming up from so deep. I do the trick of throwing them like a dart into the water and that works probably 70% of the time. Tough watching them float away and be wasted.

One trick I've found for the floaters is to squeeze their gills together until their mouth closes before throwing them back. Whatever it does to them it works.
Mike

Take a kid outdoors!

Randleman lake closes for the winter and has hours that gives the fish an opportunity to grow and populate.

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Here is the comment I left:

To whom this concerns,

I have been an avid Fisherman all my life. Since moving to North Carolina in 2002 I have been an Avid Crappie Fisherman on the Triangle Area Lakes. Namely Falls Lake, The above mentioned Jordan Lake and Harris Lake.

I believe that the proposal to reduce the minimum size limit on Jordan lake from 10 to 8" is the wrong choice. I see Jordan Lake as a Premier Crappie lake for the state of North Carolina and for that matter on the east coast. In order to promote this, I believe the minimum size limit should actually be increased from 10" to 12". As I am sure your catch data will show, there is ample opportunity to catch 12 " Crappie and a 20 fish limit of this size is attainable.

Best regards.

Vernon AuClair

I find the justification provided in the text very odd:

Justification: Anglers have expressed interest in aligning the size limit for crappie

at Jordan Reservoir with other fishing waters across the state.

Question 1: What anglers? I am confident that C.com contains a representative cross section of Jordan Lake's crappie fishermen and that cross section has weighed in here...did we not? The strong majority of us are against this change. So where in the Jordan Lake crappie fishing population was there an organized, vocal demand to align the limit with other lakes?
Question 2: What and when was the original justification to make an exception to increase min. size from 8" to 10" made on Jordan? And did the results of this 10" exception align with the justification?
Question 3: (As Jordan Limit is asking) How does this re-alignment and justification coincide with and support the results of tax funded creel research? I've never heard of a natural resource management rule change with a justification that excluded any language promising some benefit or protection to that natural resource or the surrounding environment/ecosystem.

Jeremy

I agree with that an a 20 fish limit

Could it be that DNR wants to make it easier on themselves by having a state wide 8" size, 20 fish limit same as SC has. With each body of water having it's own different rules, it's harder to enforce any law and the understanding of such laws by general public makes it harder to argue in court. Years ago fishing / hunting regulations were small and simple, now they require 2 lawyers to figure out which boundary a person is allowed to stand in and fish. I may be wrong but SC passed this upon us to simplify the regulations. There is no argument in the courts when caught with over the limit or size of fish! General public doesn't have to be a fisherman or hunter, phone survey's here prove that!. Same as baiting deer in SC, lower state could and did when upper state couldn't and were fined when caught. People said they were baiting for hogs not deer. So the law is now state wide baiting. The DNR couldn't enforce the law on baiting when the regulation said hog hunting allowed with baiting :Doh: So, it may be a good thing for Joe Blow and bad thing for you in having tournament size fish to win money with. General Public is and may be the culprit here in your changes! :twocents

I would like to see the size limit at Jordan stay the same. "If it ain't broke don't fix it"!

Why not just leave it at 10? 10 is a good eating size and 8 is a bit too small. 12 means less fish I get to eat if the big ones aren’t biting

Might be the DUMBEST idea I have heard of in a long time

Freddie, Jimmy, Eddie and I all went to the Public Hearing in Rocky Mount last Thursday. We were the only ones to address the Wildlife officials on keeping the size at 10 inches. This was the last of the Public Hearings across the state, but there is still time to comment on the Wildlife website.

Christian Waters, Chief, Inland Fisheries Division, was at the meeting and we spoke with him quite a bit after the hearing. Christian was one of the officials that was responsible for the 10 inch limit back in 2004. All four of us made a strong case for leaving the 10 inch rule in place and we will continue to have conversations with the Wildlife division.

Well, I talked with one of the NC Wildlife biologists regarding this possible change. I said that the crappie size limit should either stay at the 10-inch limit at Jordan or increase -- not go down to eight inches! People cheat on the ten inch limit already. At an eight inch limit they're just cheat some more. And it's not just the bank fisherman who may commit a misdeed. We don't know what the fellows in the boats are doing. At any rate, it would help if everybody would follow the law. We could all face the terrible possibility that all crappie fishing were stopped. I've seen guys with ten rods at Belle Church Pier -- along with ten bottles with lines more in between each rod -- keeping everything they catch. That's not right! Ms. Catfish.

Submitted my comment online. Hopefully it doesn't go down to eight. Either way I only keep 10" no matter where I fish but a lot of people don't.


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