Just heard that Mississippi #4 case has all but been confirmed . With any luck maybe feeding will become a thing of the past .
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Just heard that Mississippi #4 case has all but been confirmed . With any luck maybe feeding will become a thing of the past .
Also these horn restrictions, bag limits will need to be eased.. The herd needs to be kept apart, and thinned..
I do not see supplement feeding as the issue, if it were these hi fence operations would not have a deer left.
According to the biologist I talked, it is a big issue..Supposed to be spread by saliva,blood, ECT..Get allot of deer coming to a corn pile, and they can infect each other..
It also takes a long time to show up...mostly in older deer..
I doubt the "high fence" operations will say anything negative....They make their money on these deer...Bad publicity will hurt their business. Everyone needs to turn in samples for testing...We only had two turned in on the last day at the Troy check point..My doe checked clear..
The last two deer to test positive were 1 1/2 years old.Quote:
Originally Posted by KnightShadow10
According to this biologist, CWD will be more lethal, and show up more in 3.5 yr. Olds..The deer I checked was 2 yr. Old, and clear..He said they needed more samples..Check in anything you can...
If feeding restrictions are part of the solution to the problem (once infected deer are found ) why feed anywhere ? Not a problem ?why stop ?
Tested positive, no signs of the disease. One of the wild life commissioners told me that a young deer most likely contracted it from the doe that bore it.Quote:
Originally Posted by FurFlyin
If I kill one it will be tested for sure but I don't think this is a new developement to our state, been here a while.
It's probably here too and we just don't know it.
So a very serious question for you MS guys. With CWD being found over there, will you stop eating deer meat?
Nope, I would just be sure to have the deer tested before consuming in the known problem areas. I believe it's a population issue, when the numbers get out of control mother nature has a way of taking care of the issue. If not for the advancement of medical science and better hygiene among humans today then there would be a lot less of us populating the earth as well. :twocentsQuote:
Originally Posted by FurFlyin
I agree John, Biologist said it had been present for a long time..Hopefully this will be a time when people over react, and the situation is better than it seems
Snubby while I completely agree that’s the case with normal disease that’s not the case with CWD. This is caused by a Prion, not a virus. It’s not airborne or environmentally transmitted. It comes from direct contact with another infected animal. It made its way to MS either in the back of a cattle trailer, transporting live deer from infected areas to the high fence destination they were bound for, or it was transported in the back of a pickup from a dead deer carrying the disease that was killed in an infected state.
Unlike a virus or bacteria, a prion remains viable. If it completely decimated the deer population in an area, any new deer reintroduced years later would still wind up infected. So it’s really not a product of overpopulation. If it was, then it would cease when the overpopulation situation was corrected
It all originally came from a pen of mule deer in Colorado. I guess until the question of how those deer became infected gets answered then it’s gonna keep spreading.
Yes it is a Prion...
.read this........ Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD) | Prion Diseases | CDC
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You got me whipped then, I nominate you National Biologist and Chief of all Affairs with the dealings of CWD from now on :biggrin If you google more you will see CWD is thought to have been around for 200 years or better, just the mule deer in Colorado you mentioned is the 60's was first (confirmed) documented case. You have to keep in mind, that our understanding of viruses, diseases, prions etc. is all relatively new to us humans and how they work, these things have been around a lot longer than you and me and are evolving. Just keep my faith in the good lord's plan, now being said, I hope I get me some fresh backstraps tomorrow after this torrential rain blows through.Quote:
Originally Posted by FurFlyin
Prions are in the soil and attach to grass and other forage plants. The only problem with supplemental feeding is bringing deer together. Corn by itself does not cause CWD. The prions are already present in the soil and plants. As far Ias the saliva and feces are concerned, deer do that naturally, not just at a feeding site. They do not know how it came about. They still have not dicovered any biological or chemical way to kill the prions.
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Maybe it’s God’s way of
thinning the heard .
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Prevention
If CWD could spread to people, it would most likely be through eating of infected deer and elk. In a 2006-2007 CDC surveyExternal
of U.S. residents, nearly 20 percent of those surveyed said they had hunted deer or elk and more than two-thirds said they had eaten venison or elk meat. However, to date, there is no strong evidence for the occurrence of CWD in people, and it is not known if people can get infected with CWD prions.Hunters must consider many factors when determining whether to eat meat from deer and elk harvested from areas with CWD, including the level of risk they are willing to accept. Hunters harvesting wild deer and elk from areas with reported CWD should check state wildlife and public health guidance to see whether testing of animals is recommended or required in a given state or region. In areas where CWD is known to be present, CDC recommends that hunters strongly consider having those animals tested before eating the meat.
Tests for CWD are monitoring tools that some state wildlife officials use to look at the rates of CWD in certain animal populations. Testing may not be available in every state, and states may use these tests in different ways. A negative test result does not guarantee that an individual animal is not infected with CWD, but it does make it considerably less likely and may reduce your risk of exposure to CWD.
To be as safe as possible and decrease their potential risk of exposure to CWD, hunters should take the following steps when hunting in areas with CWD:
- Do not shoot, handle or eat meat from deer and elk that look sick or are acting strangely or are found dead (road-kill).
- When field-dressing a deer:
- Wear latex or rubber gloves when dressing the animal or handling the meat.
- Minimize how much you handle the organs of the animal, particularly the brain or spinal cord tissues.
- Do not use household knives or other kitchen utensils for field dressing.
- Check state wildlife and public health guidance to see whether testing of animals is recommended or required. Recommendations vary by state, but information about testing is available from many state wildlife agencies.
- Strongly consider having the deer or elk tested for CWD before you eat the meat.
- If you have your deer or elk commercially processed, consider asking that your animal be processed individually to avoid mixing meat from multiple animals.
- If your animal tests positive for CWD, do not eat meat from that animal.
The U.S. Department of Agriculture’s Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service regulates commercially farmed deer and elk. The agency operates a national CWD herd certification programExternal
. As part of the voluntary program, states and individual herd owners agree to meet requirements meant to decrease the risk of CWD in their herds. Privately owned herds that do not participate in the herd certification program may be at increased risk for CWD.
Page last reviewed: October 9, 2018Content source: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention , National Center for Emerging and Zoonotic Infectious Diseases (NCEZID) , Division of High-Consequence Pathogens and Pathology (DHCPP
I did read the other day that Humic acid shows promise in “killing” the prions.
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Originally Posted by FurFlyin
How do you know how it got to Mississippi? Do wild deer never cross the state line on foot ? I agree with the over population theory . Due to all the clubs setting the bar very high to grow big horns , and silly state laws for legal deer , they are over populated. You can look at any wild species that becomes overpopulated, and motor nature will take care of it eventually. It can be thu a virus , bacteria, prion , whatever. Game wardens have been telling us to kill as many as possible in our area to get the numbers down for years .
Dutchman I don't know how it got into MS. I know there are only a couple of ways it could get into MS and those are the ways I posted about. Since no state that borders MS has CWD currently in their deer herd unless it's gone undetected, I feel very safe in saying an infected deer didn't walk across the state line carrying it. Also, the counties in MS where the infected deer have shown up aren't contiguous. An infected deer didn't "migrate" from a county bordering the MS river to Pontotoc county.
Since the prions are everywhere, my bet is it was already here and that some natural occurance of nature triggered it. That's the way it surely originated. Humic acid shows the potential to knock back the prion levels, not eliminate them. But can you imagine how much it would take to treat such a large land mass?
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I’ve been filming deer for a long time on trail cameras. I see the same deer over and over on my corn piles and even bucks are homebodies for the most part. Very seldom do we get many New deer feeding at them unless a buck or two pass through during the rut. We only lose one or two bucks during the rut, but they always come back if not harvested by someone. You can move your cameras 1/2-1 mile and get totally different deer with the above exception. The bucks aren’t really interested in feeding much during the rut anyway, they’re just following nature’s call.
Stopping the feeding isn’t going to do one danged thing to prevent the spread of this disease. IMO feeding might actually slow down the spread because by feeding, you keep the infected deer in a more confined area. Loss of habitat forcing the deer to move would be more likely to spread the disease.
Deer hang out together regardless of where their food source or bedding area is. A prime White Oak flat, Pin Oak flat or a bean or wheat field is no different than a corn pile. The local deer will show up no matter what the food source.
CWD is here to stay just like the Asian Carp. It will run its course just like Blue Tongue and other diseases do. No sense in panicking over it. We’ll learn to deal with it.
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For me..I am just going along with what the State Biologist think...They know more than any of us ....I will have every harvest checked, and urge others to do the same.... As for eating infected deer...Probably not, but haven't had to make that decision yet
A sad problem, don't no what the answer will be!! CWD and silver carp are really causing problems for sportsmen and ladies!Everywhere.
my thoughts exactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by BigRiverMarine
The mdwfp is sending a mixed message. They banned feeding in the immediate areas where CWD has been found, but haven't done so in the rest of the state. Makes no sense to me either feeding does or doesn't have anything to do with it, but that just goes to show that they are about as clueless as we are about what causes/spreads it.Quote:
Originally Posted by murdok
Those deer coming to the corn will just change food sources and still be in contact with each other wherever they’re feeding. Makes ZERO sense to me to stop feeding. The disease is already there, and feeding didn’t bring it there. Deer don’t run up to Illinois or other states that have CWD and bring it back. SMHQuote:
Originally Posted by ragencage
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i dont think the feeding ban is gonna do anything, i see their thinking (avoid congregating deer) but thats gonna happen naturally. these diseases have come and gone for centuries. the only thing people can do is have your deer tested to track the spread. it doesn't hurt the meat its a neuological dz. even if a vaccine/cure was found how you gonna get it to a wild deer herd. my two centsQuote:
Originally Posted by ragencage
I love Ole Ted, but is he kid friendly? YOU BETCHA!!! [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]
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Nope... language in video was not kid friendly.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigRiverMarine
Oh I forgot about that......Sorry everyone
Yep saw the video the other day,definately not kid friendlyQuote:
Originally Posted by "G"
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I like Uncle Ted, grew up with his music, but I sure with he would keep his language clean so more could see him. Y'all can just search youtube (Joe Rogan and Ted Nugent) and find some stuff on your own.
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Sorry for the hijack.
I think the feeding ban is food for thought for one reason only. 2 deer are not likely at all to mix saliva when feeding in a acorn flat or food plot. But the chances increase when 2 deer eat out of the same corn pile.....which by the way is illegal. Even with scattered corn from a feeder they are much more likely to stick their nose in the same place another did just because of the close confines. I think that’s why MDWFP shut down the feeding in CWD zones. My bet is that supplemental feeding (baiting) will go away in the next 2 years.
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It will never go away with the hog problem we are having, they want every hog killed that can be. Even if they ban it corn will still be fed, wont make any difference, folks been feeding deer for 55 yrs I know
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[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] See. Even the good guys get slab slapped on occasion. Better you than me this time.[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]Quote:
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Aw Hush...... I don't know why I did that......Just wasn't thinking. White Flag Icon
Uh oh...
Tennessee Preliminarily Detects Chronic Wasting Disease; Enacts CWD Response Plan
I bet it shows up in Sweet Home Alabama soon too.