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ok you guys , I know a couple of you have the Suzuki outboards, what do you think of them?
I have a 19ft ranger walleye boat that has an old two stroke on it now, works ok, but likes fuel, and I am looking for something to take me into the (golden) :) years.
was looking at the Yamaha SHO, but cannot even get quotes for them as I am told they are not available this year (very high demand) I may wait for a Yamaha , but want to get as much info as I can.
thanks in advance for any replies
john
Give rich a call, he seems to really like his, but I think he secretly wants a 350 verado [emoji12][emoji12]
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he probably wants it attached to a 621 ranger!! :biggrin (I know I would)
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Originally Posted by skillett007
Dad has a 2004 200 Zuke, 5600 hours and still running great, never had an issue. There was only 1 choice for me when I repowered. Mine is a 2017 DF200A, sips fuel, extremely quiet, very torquey, smooth as silk.
I believe now days you cant go wrong with either manufacturer it all comes down to what you like and pricing and warranty
any idea how big of a motor you can go with
I'm going to pretend I didn't read that Kev!
I've also heard about the availability issues with Yamaha on select motors.
I have nothing but good things to say about mine. Very quiet, sips fuel, and runs well. They all come with stainless props tank tested from the factory for max rpm performance.
The 140 in my opinion is better than the 150. It weighs 64lbs less and is built on the 90 and 115 powerhead. Better fuel economy and what you lose in hp you gain in power to weight ratios. If you can go bigger, do so but if you are maxed at 150, get the 140.
The bad: Very few dealers in the State. They are getting more but it makes it tough to get oil and filters. On the flipside, Brown's online has everything including schematics, and it ships in a day or two. I buy two years worth of oil changes at one time. 1.5 gallons of oil per change and just over a quart of lower unit oil.
The only annoyance is changing the oil. Yamaha has a plug that comes out into a small tube that deflects oil to your catch bucket, Suzuki has a allen bolt. Also, to change the filter requirs removing the port skirting which is 6 Phillips head screws. Minor annoyance.
Both Yamaha and Suzuki came out with a 350 this year that doesn't have electric power steering. A huge plus over Verado.
Remember, anything 150 and over will require you to install hydraulic steering. Both Kevin and I have teleflex steering but I doubt it could go into your boat.
Would I buy another? In a heartbeat. If I had a choice, it would depend on price comparison and availability on when I want it. If both were available at the same price, I would lean to Yamaha just for ease of parts like oil, o rings, plugs, and lower unit oil here in Michigan. Ask me the same question in the south, I go with Suzuki.
Kevin,
You almost got me in trouble, when we were in Saginaw, you said Rich wanted a Verado.....
I almost told every one get a Verado, that’s what Rich wants........
Where the popcorn emoji, I just stirred the pot a bit. [emoji23]
thanks guys
I can go with a 175, that is the max I am rated for.
most Yamaha dealers will not even give me a quote due to Yamaha telling them they have no timetable for a delivery, could be three months could be sometime next year, that is just crazy, I would have gone with a Yamaha......now , probably Suzuki.
good idea on getting two years worth of oil at a time.
now to come up with down payment!
these motors are crazy expensive
as a side note , anyone interested in a very lightly used slick skin fish scaler?
bought it last year, works fine, wife says she prefers perch with no skin...oh well.
PM for price
pick up only, or may be able to meet someplace close to hastings/lansing
John I got a 90 Suzuki on my pontoon. It is by far the best motor I have ever had. Very fuel efficient. Starts immediately, and runs flawless. This will be the 3rd summer with it and never had it back to the dealer. Just my $.02
My brother had a 140 on a 24 ft shrimp boat. Great pulling motor and super quiet. Good on gas. I have a 200 SHO on a 20 ft Xpress. Very strong, quiet and fast. Not as good on gas as I hoped.
Well, after lots of research and thought
I ended up ordering a new 175 Suzuki
Hope to have installed in a couple of weeks
Thanks everyone for all of your input
I am sure this will be a great motor for us to enjoy for many years to come
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Good choice John. Will save you lots in gas and won't look like a Mosquito fogger when you first fire it up. Just go through the breakin process then change the oil. Here is the company I use for oil and other parts. Great schematics source as well. They have great setups for running Nema2000 gauges including pigtales, as well as kits for impellers.
https://www.brownspoint.com/store/pc/microfiche.asp
Suzuki encourages owners to service their motors. They produce online videos on how to do everything and publish it to YouTube. Pretty cool.
My dealer is only a few miles from me. I keep him up to date on my motor. I change oil & filter, winterize it, in the fall. One thing that wasn't mentioned was how quiet they run. Never had a motor so quiet. John, I think you will really like it, good for you guys.
I am about half deaf and could NOT hear my Suzuki 90 running at idle. I stepped to the dock and left it runnin more than once because I thought it was off.
The first year i had it, we gassed up before daylight and fished Ouachita TIL dark, mostly trolling for stripers. I stopped and filled it up again to see how much gas it used ... just a tick over one gallon. I had that boat over three years and never did a thing other than the annual service on the motor.
I think youll be tickled with a Suzuki. Most of the striper guides here run them, same at Texoma.
thanks rich, I added that site to my favorites for future use.
did they recommend you have the dealer do the first few oil changes to maintain the warranty? Or just do it yourself.
I never had a problem doing things myself, but want to make sure in case any issues arise.
I will ask the dealer when I get it , but appreciate any input.
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Originally Posted by wicklundrh
I let my dealer do the maintenance, he is reasonably priced and fairly close. He uses car quest oil because he says it’s the only one that meets the specs beside Suzuki oil.Quote:
Originally Posted by steelguy
ive left mine running while fishing more than once. I had a client last week that was reeling in a striper when he asked if I was going to turn the motor off.... Lol... Literally the loudest thing about it is the pee stream hitting the water.
this motor may be a mistake for me...............I have a hard time hearing much of anything without my hearing aids...
good thing I hear that it is so good on fuel , because I am sure to leave it running if it is really THAT quiet!!
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Originally Posted by Speir Fishing
John,
Doing your own oil changes will not void the warrenty. What dealership are you using? I might have to add them to my list of local places to turn in case I need something.
Oil is funny. I think all these manufacturers do this for a reason: You will notice that Suzuki runs a 10w 40 oil. Yamaha is a 10w 30 oil. Mercury is an oddball like 10w 25 or something like that. So you simply cannot go and buy another brand of oil and have it work. Back in the early 2000's, Yamaha snowmobile section got in to a huge deal regarding oil and warrenties. I person had a snow machine explode. When he went to get service work, Yamaha said it was NOT under warrenty because they did NOT use Yamalube oil. According to their paperwork (at that time) Yamaha said that they "required" the usage of Yamalube in the warrenty would be voided.
The person took them to court. The court concluded that Yamaha (nor any other company) could make this requirement and statement unless they could prove that their oil was superior to any other oil on the market. Obviously, they could not. As a result, these companies started skirting this by requiring you use oil that meets certain requirements. Those requirements included proprietary addatives that only their companies use in their oils.
I took the liberty of cross checking Suzuki oil with other oils on the market (castrol, penzoil, Yamalube, and Amsoil to name a few) and none of them had the correct addatives list required. This is the reason I have stuck with the Suzuki brand oils. The way I saw it, this investment was not worth saving a couple of bucks on oil. The only reason I was trying to find an alternative was because I did not have a local Suzuki dealership. This was when I found Brown's and decided to purchase multiple years.
Suzuki did change brands with regards to their lower unit oil. It is the exact same thing as the original suzuki oil just rebranded.
Your break in time should be 10 hours. After that, they request that you change the oil, filter, and lower unit oil. This is primarily because they utilize a heavier viscosity oil for the break in period. After you change the oil, turn your key to the on position. Once the alarm goes off, pull your Kill switch lanyard and then pull the button in and out three times. This will reset the oil indicator light as well as the hours. As I said, the oil change service will come at at 10 hours. After you perform the reset (as stated above) it will change it to 100 hrs!
I was rereading Speir Fishing's post. Please don't take the above as "know it all". I did not cross reference every oil on the market to see if the specs were met. I will however check the stuff he mentioned though as I can source it locally. Thanks for the infor Speir!!!
John,
I also recommend installing a 10 micron filter inline from your fuel tank to the motor. Although Suzuki does have a small cartridge style filter inside the motor cowel, I still would but in a 10 micron inline just to be safe.
A couple of other things to note. The pee hole at the back will be adjustable. I adjust mine so that I can see the stream from the captains chair to ensure it is working. It will rotate 360 degrees. After you use the motor, there is built up pressure above the impeller. Many people have cold seeze issues and frozen pee holes because of this ( on all sorts of motors). You however are lucky. That rotating pee cap can be popped off. When you get to the dock, prior to transporting home, run the motor all the way down. This will allow lower unit water behind the prop to drain. While this is draining, remove the pee cap. Once done, unscrew your clean water flush port. It is located on the port side of the motor. This will relieve the pressure built up above the impellor and allow any water to drain out of the freshwater flush plug and the pee hole. Go about your stuff with readying your boat for transport. Before leaving, screw the cap back on and pop the pee cap back in. I have also been know to blow out any residual water.
Trust me, if you don't do this when the weather is cold, it WILL freeze up on you. Since I added the above to my take out procedures, I have not had the issue since. If you do run in to the issue, do not fear. Remove the pee cap. Take a small socket extension (1/4 inch drive) and heat it with a lighter and stick it in the hole. Continue to do this and it will melt the ice.
You will love the motor. I surely do! Just a few tricks to perform and if you get used to them you will never have an issue. Trust me, I've left my motor running on more than one occasion as it is way too quite!!! My kicker motor (yamaha) is also quite but not near as quite as my Suzuki!
Let me know if you need anything else. I've done all the maintenance and labor on mine from impeller changes to prop changes and everything in between. Had one interesting thing during service this year. A rubber "Thing" fell out of the motor cowell. I had no idea where it came from and how it went back in. I went to Brown's, pulled a skematic, and quickly found that it is a diverter in the top section of the motor to divert air for the air induction. Once I saw it, I saw how it went in!!!
I am using Van's in grand rapids, they gave me a very good deal on the motor and were fair with my trade, so far I am happy with them.
hope the installation goes as smooth.
thanks for all the input rich.
sure helps to get first hand advise , and I prefer to do my own service work on most things.
Awesome info about Van's. Glad to know there is a location close to me now!
I believe gull lake marine is a Suzuki dealer also
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Lol... It’s that quiet.... Even out of the water on muffs it’s crazy quiet.Quote:
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Originally Posted by wicklundrh
Yes sir. I was just passing on what I was told. It dumbfounded me when I bought more oil from him and he brought me a case of Carquest 10w40.... He also said the only thing needed upstream of the motor was a water separator. I also like to watch my engine temp on a gauge, he said not to waste the money because the motor will react to an overheat faster than me or that gauge....
Dad used a Fram filter on his 04 200 last year, scored the filter with the pliers putting it on. The motor blew the filter apart and dumped all the oil in the cowling/river, the motor shut itself down instantly. I had to pull him back to the ramp but a Suzuki oil filter and whatever cheap oil he could find and it was back running like it always has. I count that as oil filter installer snafu versus a motor problem, the motor did exactly what you’d hope it would, otherwise it would have been complete powerhead melt down.
Well John, you know I wear hearing aids. I hate to tell you this story, but it's a credit to Suzuki Motors. Sandy and I came in from fishing on the Au Sable River. She backed the trailer down in the water and I drove the pontoon up on it. She pulled me out of the water and out of the way of the ramp. I climbed off the front of the pontoon and we started taking things from the doorway of the boat to the truck. Suddenly Sandy said what is running (sometimes I leave the live well pump on) no, it wasn't that. Oh crap, I didn't shut the motor off. I scrambled up the ladder and quickly shut the motor off. I told Sandy the water pump is probably shot. She backed me back in the water and I started the motor, it started right up and water was coming out of the pee hole. Never had any issues. Must have run 5 min. or more out of the water. Neither one of us heard it running and she hears good.
Larry that is too funny! But,.....I can give you and Sandy the number of a new audiologist...:Rofl
I own one and have never had any issues with it in 10 years... nothing... purrs like a kitten !
I’m in Port St Joe fishing right now, seeing a bunch of Suzuki’s down here. Tow Boat US has 4 boats in front of his office, 3 have Suzuki’s the other is an inboard.....
Doubled up
I am glad to hear that the suzukis are more popular than I thought they were.
and so far nothing negative about them.
I am still a bit concerned about the extra weight on the back of the boat , as I have the 9.9 kicker motor , two live wells and 4 batteries back there already, but one way or another I am sure the Suzuki will do the job.
I am planning on getting rid of one of the batteries, I see no need for four of them.
currently I have a couple of neverstarts and one interstate.
had a few suggestions to go with the sams club Duracell AGM batteries, any prefereces?
Thanks for the info guys... the wife said i need a new motor -- she prefered the Evinrude
I am planning on getting a new outboard for my pontoon, the lake we are on is limited to 20 HP. (Pymatuning) Was/Am considering a Suzuki because of the price and because I can get it shipped direct and don't have to go through a dealer to install it. I'm pretty sure I can do it myself. If It was a bigger motor I would probably have the dealer do it. Nice to hear so many good things about Suzukis. When I told my wife the 4 stroke will be much quieter than my current 1982 Evenrude 2 stroke, she said "go buy it!" Should have listened to her, because since then I had to replace a transmission on one of our vehicles and that put a dent in the "New Suzuki" fund.