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Billy turned me on to some 2 oz. injectors
Shot them a few times and they seem to freeze up the plastic really quickly
I'm pulling in a full tube and shooting back into my cup before I try to shoot them...But I can only get one Chernobyl worm shot and it's hard in the tip:banghead
Do I dare keep a cup of hot cooking oil to preheat them?
Maybe pull the plungers and put the tubes in the oven?
:dono
I'll get some pix
If you were having problems with plastic sticking inside of the injector take a little bit of Pam spray inside of the tube and run your ride back and forth it should free it up .
Here's some pix Bob
It's not sticking the plastic is cooling off too fast!
I'm sticking the whole snout into the hot plastic when pumping it and leaving hot plastic on them to help insulate them but this is what I'm getting
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It's shooting nice baits.... The mold is cleaning up nicely
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I'm thinking I need to get the snout of these injector warm some how......
I'm wondering if maybe I should vise the "Screw on tip" and drill it out... To allow the plastic to flow faster:dono
HoodlumQuote:
Originally Posted by HOODLUM
Before you start to drill;
from using a pour,
injectors are another tool getting used to.
try heating the injectors, for I use an electric fry pan for my molds and injectors when the room temp is down,
also have you ck'd your plastic temp
might try raising it a bit.
Hope this helps
billygee :rolleyes:
Hey Billy!
Plastic is smoking like crazy I'll get temps...
off to bed now....
\But It's the last of the essentials ...
I'm going to try some new (To me) plastics real soon
It'll work itself out
Yesterday was interesting
I need a different thermometer it was reading 350 and the plastic was cold! I mean clumpy cold!
Now since these are stainless steel I'm thinking there is just too much cold mass so they need to get warmed up
Billy said oven or hot plate... But they will lose temp and I'll prolly get burned while screwing them back together
Since injectors are air tight would I be better off using a cup of warm coconut or veggie oil maybe scented with Garlic or Anise to preheat the injectors
My reason for this train of thought is this Because the injectors are air tight they would keep the oil outside of the tube and if any did get in it would
Just lube it and give the baits a little smell PLUS I wouldn''t be trying to put a HOT injector together in a hurry!
Hoodlum
for one you are correct on them being tin wall getting pretty hot to the touch, that is why I always wear gloves and eye protection.
I lube the inner barrel with worm oil assemble it, then let it rest in the electric fry pan along side my molds
(uncertain why you disassemble yours)
This is my procedure:
after I heat my plastic, remove and line up my molds, take my injector making sure the piston works smoothly, proceed to place just the injector tip in the plastic from there inject the molds
Hope This Helps
billygee :rolleyes:
Hey Billy
I don't want to overheat the O-Ring on them.... they are just Marinade injectors:highfive
Or can I get a high temp O-Ring?
Yes you can get high temp O rings. I have a question when you were getting ready to shoot with that injector how fast are you going what I mean is does it take you quite a while to feel those little cavities up remember the plastic cools off very fast .
On open cavities I would use a small Pyrex cup on open face stuff .
Hey Bob
I have the big bucket mold that I've been working with. The cup of hot plastic is on the hot plate next to it! (Upper Right side in the pic)
To fill each worm is between 3 to maybe 7 seconds and the plastic is frozen in the injector before I can move 1/4" to the next cavity
It takes me longer to fill the small open pour molds...Prolly 10 to 12 seconds...I NEVER TIMED IT But I will now!
Next time I try them out I'll try to get a video
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get yourself a regular injector the type that we use on our aluminum molds throw last thing that you have in the garbage it could be that you are using a stainless steel most of the injectors are aluminum which they get hot very fast and stay hot too bad you didn't live closer I would definitely help you with your problem I realized that you use a small injector for fine detailed work but if it's not working for you you need to upgrade to a regular injector .Quote:
Originally Posted by HOODLUM
OK
Went out on a limb and put about 2" of cooking oil in a Enchilada sauce can, put it on the hotplate, and tossed the injectors in it to preheat
While they were preheating I oiled up the molds since some of the cavities were freshly ground on and resealed
When the oil hit 200* on my crappy thermometer, Cranked up the "Wave" (Sidenote...I'm done with this brand of plastic) It went into the wave
bright yellow and came out the colors you see in the pix:banghead It's been doing that since I started here and it was still fairly Thick...Anyways
SHOT ALL 15 CAVITIES using the same injector...Till the cup was empty enough I was sucking some air so some of the worms got Funky cuz of air
(MY FAULT) I just wanted to see how long it would stay warm enough to shoot (The plastic is such a horrible color anyway)
A couple of things I'll do different next time 1) wipe the oil off the outside of the injector 2) Have enough plastic to shoot ALL cavities with some left over
ALL IN ALL I'M PRETTY TICKLED PINK
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I even had enough time to tip the cup and shoot details on an open mold
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Injector came out clean with minimal plastic left in it!
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Sucked the cup dry!
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Couple things I forgot on the above post
No I'm not drinking this early in the day!!!!!! it's an ASHTRAY cuz of the high sawdust level in the shop
The plungers are pulled up so not to heat the O-Ring
Hoodlum
One can never underestimate the foils to success
would come to believe congratulations is in order :HandsClapping
billygee :rolleyes:
THANKS BILLY!!!!!
You know this new addiction is your fault!:biggrin
AND SO ARE MY SUCCESSES:cheers2
The answer was in front of my face the whole time
Now it's time to go back to butchering up some more innocent baits....................
Yup I agree. Throw that crap injector away if giving you that much of a fit.Quote:
Originally Posted by snake River
Hoodlum
Bob an Dr Nip do have a Good point on investing in a Quality Injector,
for pushing the envelope on the tin wall injectors may have it's consequences.
I use mine for light and tweaking in belly fill,
I don't use these injectors on an everyday heavy use.
Not to throw a wrench in your success as no guarantee on the tin wall injectors either.
I would focus a little more caution if used daily
billygee :rolleyes:
I got this guys...
Drnip you were right on the plastic a while back it IS CRAP... I got these SST injectors wired...NO PROBLEMS NOW.....Well not till I need
to replace the O-Rings
Bob... one of the plastic mfg people we talked about just blew me off......WON'T BE USING THEIR COLORS OR OVERPRICED PLASTICS
Billy.... It's OK... I kinda got a handle on this....
C'mon guys......
NOW PLEASE DON'T TAKE OFFENCE......BUT I KNOW
YOU ALL LAUGHED AT ME and the PILL BOTTLE INJECTORS....
THANK YOU FOR NOT LAUGHING IN MY FACE
This will be another ADVENTURE
you guys have been so great and HELPFUL...
We can do this...I can't afford to buy ali molds and don't want to...So bear with me
Hoodlum
With the Bold captions does not mean any offense to how we create our bait.
I personally stress safety first
would feel awful should some mishap take place do to my suggestion.
billygee :rolleyes:
Billy WE ARE GOOD
I have gone over these with a mag. glass looking for cracks... Remember I was a safety guy for Cargil
Wearing 2 gloves when prolly 1 would do....Long pants....leather apron draped across my legs...Safety glasses....Leather boots
when slippers would prolly do
I wouldn't try to do production molds with these... BUT
With a little tweaking... they don't suk...and are pretty air tight to shut off flow when needed... couple of drips
THEY MIGHT come back and BITE ME IN THE ........( "G " your OK ) BUTT for now they will have to do...
Hoodlum
You should be searching for Viton o-rings which you should be able to find at an auto parts store that has an assortment.
Here’s a chart to narrow down your search for the right sized o-ring:
https://www.marcorubber.com/viton-o-...saAgRREALw_wcB
Hope this helps
billygee :rolleyes:
Thanks Billy!
Prolly no bait time today....Water trap on my air compressor needs attention
WHAT A MESS
I have wrapped my injector with pipe insulation and that has helped a lot! I didn’t have boiler type when I did it so I used foam hot water pipe insulation which melts when plastisol gets on it but I will replace with fiberglass when the foam wears down a bit. Also, pre-heating the ingectot and tip on a hot plate will make a huge difference. Harbor freight has IR heat sensors for like $12 if you catch them on sale, I usually shoot for between 325-350.
make sure you use a heat stabilizer, not sure if you did but your color is highly effected by the use (or lack there of) stabilizer and NOT overheating.
I have a large injector and I would have a difficult time getting to all those injection ports while the plastic was still hot- good luck with the smaller one.. may just have to take a few shots to get them all.
Id also reccomend that you use a countersink tool to make your injection ports more unirom. That will make for a faster, safer fill of the molds and prevent more spillage. The more plastic you keep in the injector, the longer it stays hot.
Hey KZaker
Thanks for the input!
I changed plastics... Not using that brand anymore
The Bucket mold wasn't built to be injected but poured It poured good worms before I went APE on the legs and tails!
Unfortunately....
REST IN PEACE Bucket mold
I was doing some 2 color worms and dropped the center section on the floor.......
This site has always been my go to for the info I needed when I decided to start injecting baits. I did read, everything out there ,I looked at how to videos as well as personal YouTube videos. I still got burned pretty bad because of my mistake. I too tried one of the turkey injectors for small work...it never performed right ever. I have 3 injectors the ones made for plastisol. This stuff is so dangerous we forget about the dangers of taking short cuts or using what we think is cost savings short cuts. Can spell disaster, or in the case of this thread disappointing results. What’s great here is the input from guys that have been doing this for years. Bottom line is we help a fellow bait maker with his issues. I really love the satisfaction of creating and catching fish on our own creations. Good shooting and safe shooting to all!
Hoodlum: Fiberglass resin works fairly well for molds if your looking for an economical material. I have used alumilite (I think that’s what it’s called). The alumilite was much better quality finished product, and I have a gallon of body filler that I am going to try to make some molds out of: it’s also a very inexpensive option you can try.
Liftbite56: I agree, proper tools and safety equipment is absolutly a REQUIREMENT for 350 degree molten plastics! I’m not sure how popular it is to insulate injectors but it made a HUGE difference with my methods. Along with keeping the injector and tip on a hot plate while prepping the plastic. I always have too many sets of gloves on the bench so I NEVER forget to wear them either.
I would like to see a better quality molding material at a more reasonable price. Alumilite is super expensive but the quality is fantastic compared to those I have made from resin and I done expect a lot from the bondo body filler... there is a lot of science involved in making a mold that works and to be honest: that science is beyond me! Lol. I’ll keep working on new molds and hope to be able to offer some more advice in the future-
enjoy guys and be safe! No lure is worth a burn with this stuff-
karl