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What is the best way to tie a double jig on. A couple weeks ago I tied 2 poles with double jig and broke both on fish. I use 6lb high vis line. I tied the top jig about 18-20 inches above the bottom.
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What do you think caused the failure ?? Did it break at the knot, or was the fish that big ?? Did it break at the top jig both times, and if so, what knot were you using for the top jig ??
I don't use double jigs, myself ... so I'm just asking if you know the reason why the line broke (because I know it will get asked, eventually).
For my double tandem saltwater jigs I tie the first jig on, then go up the line about a foot and tie a small loop, next come down about two feet and tie the second jig.
This is the link that I followed to tie it on. Both of them broke at the top jig. The first time it broke I caught 2 crappie at the same time. The second time was a catfish, not a big cat. I was spider rigging so I didn't have the extra pull from trolling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCih__yRyIc
A common mistake is not wetting or moistening the line/ knot before you pull the line tight. It makes a huge difference in knot strength.
Either the line is bad or the knot was bad. You can tow a barge with 6# line.Quote:
Originally Posted by drucker
I had brand new line on. I tied a single jig after the double broke and never had another problem. Must have been the knot. I'll try wetting it tomorrow.
News to me:Quote:
Originally Posted by drucker
"The practice of wetting the line lives on today, but it’s actually a myth and a negative to properly seating a knot."
Tips & Tactics: Don’t wet line before seating a knot – Fly Life Magazine
I would use a large Surgeon's loop knot for the top dropper lure, and leave about 2 feet of tag end for the second lure.The Surgeon's loop is a reliable knot. To get your lure on it just squeeze the loop together and thread it through the eye of the lure then pull the lure through the loop just like you would do with a palomar knot.Quote:
Originally Posted by drucker
I think I will try the surgeon's loop tomorrow.
Knots are always the #1 weakest link. I also think that friction can contribute to this. Years ago I remember and now have forgotten how but we would take a 100+ pound nylon line and wrap it a certain way in our hand and with a quick snatch it would break easily due to the friction and the way the knot was tied. Then when someone didn't know how to wrap or tie it well it was almost impossible for them to break it. So yes I think wetting the knot would help it sure ain't going to hurt.:twocents
If you keep breaking off use heavier line. If you are breaking with 6, use 8. If 8 is breaking go with 10. Just make your top jig loop knot go through the loop twice to get a better seated knot. I do this and if I hang up the bottom jig it usually breaks below the loop knot and I will only lose one jig.
You can also make a tandem rig by using a lighter line on each and using a swivel clasp to attach them. Tie a 12" piece of 4 pound mono to a jig and make a small loop knot at the top to attach to the swivel clasp. Make another 4 or 6 pound test 24" leader and tie to another jig and make a small loop knot and top and attach to the same swivel. Now you have two jigs, different depths, different line strengths and if you hang up only one will break from the clasp.
I also take a 24" leader and tie two jigs to each end and then I "fold" the line making the jigs hang at different depths and tie a loop knot at that point in the leader. I now have a tandem rig to attach to the clasp. If one jig hangs it usually breaks below the loop knot and I only lose one.
I sue 8 lb test on my reels and use 6 and 4 lb leader lines. Save more gear this way.
I used Surgeon"s loop and it worked great. Caught 4 doubles.
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I like simple. I use 4lb test, slide a jig up the line then tie a 2nd jig on the end. I use a simple loop tie. Take the first jig and position it 18-24” up the line from the first. Double up the line and tie an overhand knot and pull it down close to the jig. (About a 1/2””dia loop) Tie another overhand loop and snug it down about 1 1/2”” behind the first knot. Done.Quote:
Originally Posted by drucker
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Here's a way to rig your jigs "weedless" like a bass or salt water lure...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g38rGiVdiIE
That would work, too, but I prefer using a weedless jighead, myself. That way I don't have to re-position the jig body after every caught fish. (and, no ... the weedguards do not interfere with hooking a fish)Quote:
Originally Posted by SlabSlider
What he's doing is called "Tex-posing" (skin hooking) the jig body ... used very often in the Bass fishing world, when using plastic worms. That's just a slightly different way of hooking plastics weedless than "Texas Rigging" ... which is burying the hook point into the middle of the plastic bait to make it weedless.
Good video, though .... and I like the fact that he shows the Slab-a-nator Shad body next to the Bobby Garland Shad body ... both of which are site sponsors & very good plastic baits. :ThumbsUp
There are numerous ways of tying a loop knot, and most are variations of a surgeons knot.
I don't think its necessary to attempt putting a doubled line thru the eye of the hook, or even using a double line thru the hook.
I run the line thru the eye once, then pull thru a long tag end, wrap that around a couple fingers, and then run the jig thru the loop you just made 3 times. Adjust the loop down to the right size and then trim the tag end. For a double jig setup make a longer tag end for the top jig and then tie the bottom jig on the same way. There are numerous you tube videos also, including a Richard Gene.
Best place to practice and do all that is at home. I saw someone using about 1" slices of pool noodle foam for wrapping the finished rigs on, so thats how i keep them, and then store them in a fairly large size plastic food container. A Wall Mart electric knife does a great job slicing up the pool noodle and fileting all the fish you will no doubt catch.
That sounds like the knot that was breaking on him.Quote:
Originally Posted by yobuck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCih__yRyIc
I know for a fact , it depends on how you are tying. I've broken plenty by not lubing the line with saliva before pulling tight.Quote:
Originally Posted by deathb4disco
It usually happens when I get in a big rush and pull the dry knot tight. It builds up friction and breaks.
When I wet it with saliva it pulls down tight without breaking.
I've found, when watching someone tie their knots, that they tend you yank them tight right away. Big mistake. Tie whatever knot you want, for whatever the application, and SLOWLY snug up that knot. If you take your time with it, you will have about as good a knot as can be had. And I've always wetted my knots before cinching them up too. Maybe I'm wrong or that it's not necessary, but after decades of practice, I can say that I rarely have a knot fail. Guess it works for me. :)
I have never seen a Palomar knot break right at the knot, and I never wet my knots. Plus I pull them tight fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crestliner08
then you need to watch me tie one with flouro!Quote:
Originally Posted by Techno2000
I gave up on flouro for leaders as no method of cautious tying gave me repeatably strong knots.
I've never liked the Palomar knot. I use the Becker knot:Quote:
Originally Posted by binfordw
Fly Fishing West Georgia & Beyond
I was wondering about that, so knots made with fluorocarbon tend to break more easily than with mono ?Quote:
Originally Posted by binfordw
Dont take my word for it-
but I purchased 3-4 brands of flouro in an attempt to solve "my" issue with breaking knots. Long story short, I never did and gave up.
The benefits of flouro are less than the hassles of knot strength imo.
Its odd, tons of people rave about it. A guy I work with did too, and after struggling with flouro and knots I eventually had him tie one in front of me. I broke it with 2 fingers. He did several more that we also broke. He shrugged it off as a mystery I guess and I let it go as to not (knot? lol) offend him.
Gonna add a little to Techno2000's post. Get you some Fluorocarbon line and follow Techno's instruction. Tie a jig at each end and then tie a loop in the fluoro. Tie the loop about 2/3 the way between the two jigs. This will make one a little longer than the other and they want tangle. The flouro is easier to tie the loop knot in because once it's tied it want slip. Tie the main line to the loop and your ready. Tie you up several doubles before you go fishing and when you break off just grab a new rig and tie it on. This is the way I rig doubles to speckled trout fish in and for long liningQuote:
Originally Posted by Techno2000
I have no problems with fluoro breaking. I have caught some monster bull reds on 20lb fluoro leaders and nothing that swims in the fresh water lakes I fish has that kind of power including stripers. I tie crappie leaders on 8lb Berkley flouro doubles on 6lb main line. You can use a little heavier leader because flouro sinks and is invisible. I may break off a bunch the next trip I take but to this date I have never had a crappie break a fluro leader
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Originally Posted by footballcoach
You might also be interested in a jig that Grousefly makes :
called the Double Deuce
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I don't use "double" jig rigs, so I haven't gotten around to using these ... so I cannot give an opinion on how well they work.