https://youtu.be/XtxdmnLRqi8
I got the idea for this video from the Mangrove FlyFisher's YouTube Channel. I want to try it out and see how it does. What glue do most of you use?
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I got the idea for this video from the Mangrove FlyFisher's YouTube Channel. I want to try it out and see how it does. What glue do most of you use?
Sally Hansen's for me. Brush it on the thread before whip finishing. No complaints.
Ima justa beginner, but I use Sally Hansen clear on everything, including my toenails. Sally takes longer, but I ain't never in a rush. I am too clumsy and slow to use super glues, etc.
Man, I keep hearing about Sally Hansen's, but I have never tried it.
I use Sally's Hard as Nails myself (for thread cement) but have to wonder if it is really necessary. Most of us are using 210, or equivalent, or perhaps fine mono. Fly guys use much smaller, thinner, thread. Tempted to run some w/o and see. Heck, I'll probably give 'em up to a BP faster than they would come undone. Curious as to what others may think.
@TeeDee, I usually don't tie my flies with glue or cement outside of my complicated flies that use multiple hooks. The simple flies I often tie them and fishing the same day not glue. These glueless flies last about four or five fish until they start coming apart. I usually keep fishing it since I tip all my flies with live bait. I then can take the hooks home, strip them down and retie them!
However, since I sell these to customers. I don;t want my flies coming apart on them, so I'm always looking for better, cheaper glues to work with.
Here's part two guys:
https://youtu.be/5d9qP8tq6jI
Hard as Nails for me.
I use Pro Lac head cement,I buy it by the liter $22.
Been making my own for about 12 years now. The glue I use for when I finish a chenille jig I use my own and it's 50/50 Clear High Gloss Lacquer and Lacquer Thinner (I use MEK). For the kind like Dave's Flexament which I use on thread neck jigs I use some pretty dangerous stuff, it's Toluene and Goo, like shoe goo! Not stuff you want on your skin! The only one I like that is a bought one is Softex as it comes in a jar and sets up very hard!
Also I do use some Sally Henson's Hard as Nails, but usually as a clear over coat as long as it's not over Chartreuse or FL Yellow! After all guys remember fingernail polish is just Lacquer!
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This would drive me nuts. Any decent head cement will make your flies last MUCH longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by funbun
@Disco, yeah, that's the main reason I'm starting to use it more.
@Skiptomylu, Thanks, man! Do mind if I do a video on that. Lacquer and lacquer thinner, simple!
Someone mentioned ProLak I have never heard of the that brand. Thanks for mentioning it. I guessing it's just lacquer as well?
Don't mind at all! I have used these for a long time. I bought a qt of Lacquer and qt or MEK about 12 years ago and think both are still almost half full, lol!Quote:
Originally Posted by funbun
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Sally Hansen, and I like liquid fusion for a water based cover on poppers. Zap-a-gap is my favorite CA glue, but $. AK Best uses plain old hardware store lacquer on his flies.
Oh one thing we end up using clear coats over painted heads for eyes and other things, but if you use Sally's for that and you put it over FL Chart or FL Yellow it will ruin the color, but most colors it's fine. For these 2 colors I use Clear Vinyl and it works fine over all the colors and even the FL Chart and FL Yellow! Just a note as I know some use the Sally's in this way too.
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I use Sally for most of my flys and jigs. However if you do a good wiped finish they will not need any glue.They should never come un-notted! Not sure that is even a real word (un-knotted). However I use the sally Hansen cement to make my heads shiny for selling reasons. I do not like any water base cement on the heads. I have two bottles Of Sally for my use. One has the brush that comes in the bottle and I remove one for smaller fly. I use a dubbing needle for the smaller flys and finer work. Last when doing demos and traveling the finger nail polish bottles stay very secure ( tight). I had a bottle of lacquer cement open years ago in transport. Did one heck of a job on two Metz necks!
Take longer to dry well, but Clear Vinyl is at least as shiny and stronger. You may want to check it out. I use Sally's also, but some colors of Powder Paint don't take Sally's well at all. A fly is quite different since it is not painted. Just one way jigs are way different than a fly, but can be an important difference too.Quote:
Originally Posted by addictedangler
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Head cement is used to help secure the head of a fly or the wrapping of a jig. Never hear of applying it over the entire jig. Not sure where you are coming from on your post? My point is head cement is not needed if you whip finish a fly or jig correctly. It really does not matter what head cement you use other then if you want a shinny head!
We are talking two different uses and maybe 3 different ways for me. Enough for me on this topic.
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Yeah, I'm with skip. The original post was about glue. I make flies than have multiple hooks and get very complicated. I need glue to hold the whole thing together. Note my Sipsey Claw Craw. I'm talking about glue to hold the thing together. Whip finishes ain't gonna cut it.
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There is more to making lures than jijg, tying man. The universe is so much bigger than the town you grew up in. So many more applications. I'm amazed that jig tyers don't incorporate more fly tying methods.
There's no reason a jig couldn't be tied like that. The only difference is I don't have a weighted jig heads. There's no difference at al. It's all lure/harness making. The biggest problem I see is people shoe horn their thinking into: jig, tying, fly tying or whatever, and they don't see the possibilities of combining and trying new things from other methods, the very purpose of an open, public forum.
One thing I've noticed about people, and is the most frustrating thing about dealing with people they listen to half of what you say, scan it against everything they know, and instantly reject anything that doesn't perfectly match their thinking. Fixated thinking, no really open to tying something different.
For instance here's my take on a Mickey Finn, and old fly design with modern materials and thinking. Is this a fly or a jig? It's both really. Not only they is also wiggles and juts about erratically. The disc add weight as well. I may not look like a jig or a fly, but it sure acts like them.
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Look up Steelhead tube flies.There's plenty there that crappie fishermen can incorporate, but you won't see it because most fishermen are too engrossed in their on little worlds to expand and try new things.
Yes I have always added in some fly tying into my jigs. When I learned there was no youtube and videos all over the place so most of my good stuff came from FAOL which I have not posted on much in a few years, but love their lessons and tips. Here is one for you, but kind of a cheating way, lol! Here is a Mayfly Jig! This was my fist and only attempt so far, but think it will wok!
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Oh, man, FAOL is classic! I have read many of those articles over the years. There's nothing cheating about that at all. I go as far as replacing the abdomen/tail with real maggot, mealworms or nightcrawlers. Then it become a fly-tied bait harness. It's amazing how people get mad when I do things like that, but people keep watching my videos, lol. Or use a soft plastic! Striper fishermen have combined bait or soft plastics with bucktail jigs for years.
I have an account with Rainy's and really bought a bunch of items from them, but they were just too picky and hard to deal with unless you want to buy enough to stock a store to get best prices. I griped enough they gave me a break, but I have a ton of different kind of bodies and Mayfly tails are part of that. So I am looking forward to doing more different tying. About 5 or 6 years ago I became friends with Don Ordes who tie on the Whiting Pro Team and also devoloped Rope Dub tying that I have been wanting to do a lot more of this on jigs. Now I am about to have that time to do more of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by funbun
He also tie a ton of jigs for me to help me get more ideas trying to get me to go over to his style and not use chenille. I have way over 100 of his tie and some are really cool!
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skip you forgot to tell them that a court can of Lacquer will last you for ever this is what we use to finish are jig off same recipe as skip. forgot to mention that we been using Lacquer ever since I was about 14 over 50 some years.Quote:
Originally Posted by skiptomylu
I sniffed a lot of lacquer when I was in the Navy. "If it don't move, paint it."
Old technique, Rube Cross describes this in Tying American Trout Lures book (1930's) adding thinned DUCO cement on the bucktail wing buts as he tied the bucktail streamer head. Its not a bad head cement just out of favor as tyers change with newer lacquers & cements.
I can remember using the duco cement back in the early 60s when starting to tie. I never thinned it. I guess my heads were a little strange looking but it got the job done for a little tyke tying there first bluegill flys. I think I used that because it was what my Dad had around the house for a general purpose glue. I guess they still make it?Quote:
Originally Posted by JWirth
Yes they still make it as I have some, but never used it in my tying.Quote:
Originally Posted by addictedangler
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