To hackle or not to hackle

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10-15-2017, 12:27 PM
Texmann1

To hackle or not to hackle

I have started tying my own jigs and have had pretty good luck using them on the 3 trips since I started. I have watched a lot of YouTube on fly tying and have tried to use techniques that I see as useful for my jigs. I have gotten almost completely away from chenille and use fly dubbing instead. The colors and length variations give me a lot more options for less money.

How many of my fellow tiers use hackles to dress the jig? I have a few that I have used it on, but so far the jigs without are working so well not sure it's worth the effort. Several of the the jigs that are working right now, I used a long dubbing material that has multiple colors and legs added to it. This gives the hackle effect in one step.
Thanks for any replys!
10-15-2017, 12:42 PM
CrappieDreamer

To hackle or not to hackle

I'm not certain if you meant head dressing or for tails.

For tails, I use either saltwater neck hackle (SWNH), marabou or buck tail. I've never used dubbing. If you don't mind sharing, please post a few pics of your jigs.
10-15-2017, 02:00 PM
Texmann1

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All of these have been working great.
10-15-2017, 02:27 PM
slammingjack

If it's working don't mess with it. I'm not a big hackle fan. That is some long bushy dubbing. I like it.
10-15-2017, 02:46 PM
Texmann1

Most of the dubbing at Fly Tyers Dungeon is less than $1 a bag. A lot of them are UV treated as well. They really glow in the water and under lights at night. If it has Hot in the name it’s UV treated.
10-15-2017, 04:00 PM
Redge

Man those really look buggy!! I like them a lot.
I use chenille, haven’t tried the dubbing.

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10-16-2017, 10:52 AM
skiptomylu

The best way to tie like this is my friends way called Rope Dubbing. I have lots of dubbing, but I still like the chenille and feathers best for what I do. I do want to do a lot more of the dunning ties as I have a lot of dubbing. Actually If I ever got away from chenille and feathers, it probably would be using Rabbit. It's more durable than either your way or the Chenille and Hackle way and has a lot of super action.

So using dubbing on jigs is something I started doing about 8 years ago, but I don't like the flash type as a tail! Even a marabou jig will out last a dubbing jig by a good bit I think! With dubbing there are a ton of options of materials and colors for sure because any kind of hair or fur is dubbing as so many things can be considered dubbing, even feather fluff will work as dubbing! Actually this kind of tying is something I have wanted to get more into for years now and the last year I have positioned myself to be able to duo a lot more of the Rope Dub tying which is a lot better than using a dubbing loop or any of the older ways.

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10-16-2017, 12:16 PM
Texmann1

So far I have not used fur dubbing, all I have used is synthetic materials in varied lengths for the look I wanted. I also use some synthetic hair at times for tails. I looked up the rope dubbing technique. That is not an option for most of my work, most of the dubbing I am using is very short. I have tied some using feathers for the tail, the longer dubbing and flash combo's seem to be working better for me at the lake. (limited experience I admit) So far I have not had a fly come apart, I loose them in the brush before it can happen. When I tie a jig this is my order of operation:
1. Cover hook with thread front to back
2. Tie in tail material\
3. Make dubbing loop at the back and move tread to front
4. Apply super glue to thread front to back making sure tail is really covered
5. Spin dubbing material and rotate jig, palmering the dubbing back to front
6. Capture dubbing loop with thread and whip finish
7. Super glue thread

Saturday I decided to take some of my first ties apart, they did not look as good since I was still learning each jig. I had to use a sheetrock knife to remove the dubbing on most of them. The super glue makes a big difference.

Thanks for your input. I will make some more with feather tails to try out.
10-16-2017, 12:22 PM
Fishaholic_Jim

I have absolutely no experience with dubbing but I have a guy wanting me to make him a couple of dozen bluegill jigs so thinking this might be a better style. He wants floating or slow drop flys for them. Not sure what the rope dub is but I'll be checking out youtube.

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10-16-2017, 12:44 PM
skiptomylu

Here are some of my friends work in video, just not how to do it. I bought a DVD years ago and we talked a lot for a few years and got to be friends. Don is a Pro Fly tier and is on the Whiting Team.

His Rope Dub method works on any materials too! Short hair or long hair!

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First two are just flies to see, but the last link is him tying and talking about the technique (well it's just the intro to his DVD and not him really tying or showing how it works).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUtnDvpcE6Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRuNyIPPNcs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnUuKX6k1yk
10-16-2017, 12:58 PM
Texmann1

You will need natural hair dubbing and little or no weight on the head, More like a wooly bugger fly to get the slow drop or float. The fly fishing shops sell a liquid that is applied to dry flies that keeps them from soaking up water, it is applied while you fish and reapplied as needed.
10-16-2017, 01:05 PM
Fishaholic_Jim

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Originally Posted by Texmann1

You will need natural hair dubbing and little or no weight on the head, More like a wooly bugger fly to get the slow drop or float. The fly fishing shops sell a liquid that is applied to dry flies that keeps them from soaking up water, it is applied while you fish and reapplied as needed.

I just started tying crappie jigs back in February and have yet to tie any flys. Never got into fly fishing so just starting to learn about wooly boogers, foam spiders and nymphs. I figure if I learn to tie the smaller flys it will help make my bigger jigs that much better.

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10-16-2017, 01:33 PM
Texmann1

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Check out McFly Angler on you tube. He has very good step by step videos. I watch a lot of his, the techniques that are used on a lot of the streamers can be used on jigs to get a bushy/buggy look. I have tied some swim jigs that I'm going to use for sandies and hybrids. The bright one is the same jig under UV light.
10-16-2017, 01:36 PM
Fishaholic_Jim

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Originally Posted by Texmann1

Check out McFly Angler on you tube. He has very good step by step videos. I watch a lot of his, the techniques that are used on a lot of the streamers can be used on jigs to get a bushy/buggy look. I have tied some swim jigs that I'm going to use for sandies and hybrids. The bright one is the same jig under UV light.

Attachment 277127 Attachment 277128these are a couple of my wooly shads I've done for hybrids using polar fiber.

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10-16-2017, 01:50 PM
jay the baptist

Beautiful guys. That is art to me.
10-16-2017, 07:08 PM
Texmann1

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Here is a step by step of tying with dubbing. These are Pink Ladies.
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10-16-2017, 07:11 PM
Fishaholic_Jim

Nice Tex, thanks for the pics

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10-17-2017, 09:56 AM
skiptomylu

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Here are a few of my Rope Dub ties, all were done several years ago, of course I still used the Hackle tails, lol!

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10-17-2017, 06:02 PM
Texmann1

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Worked on some new color combos today. I think they will entice bite for sure.
10-18-2017, 06:05 AM
Fishaholic_Jim

Those look great Texmann!

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