Guys it's not worth it. This could have ended real bad.
Dispute over public fishing hole leads to ticket, arrest on Toledo Bend - Louisiana Sportsman News Breaker, LA
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Guys it's not worth it. This could have ended real bad.
Dispute over public fishing hole leads to ticket, arrest on Toledo Bend - Louisiana Sportsman News Breaker, LA
1. People who carry need to realize what responsibility it involves. You don't pull a gun on someone unless you have intent to use it. An unarmed man yelling at him over a fishing spot, is not a good reason. These people give others bad raps.
2. If fishing is so serious to you that you scream at others, maybe its time for a different hobby?
When you sink it in public waters, it becomes public property........
In reading the comments: Don called the authorities and it took over an hour for them to arrive. During this time Bullara repeatedly circled the boat coming within a foot and the weapon was never pointed at Bullara..
He could have easily left, quite honestly. I know its not what our ego's want, or what we think is right via the internet. But you don't pull a gun without full intent to use it. Your fishing trip being ruined or cut short by a rude person (As bad as that sounds!) is not worth the risk of taking a life. Your first option is to leave the situation.
Had he left, and the guy chased him, then things change in my opinion.
With my wife in the boat, I would leave the spot. Don't know, if buy myself. I don't like trouble but I do like pay back.
Yes it could and it's not just on that side of the lake. Had a guy over on Housen take a shot near a boat he thought was fishing his brush pile, later he found out it was actually another brush pile the guy was fishing and not his after all. Just goes to show some people take a spot to be theirs and then wants to keep anyone else from fishing that spot. Guys have to learn when they put a brush pile in the lake it is no longer their brush pile and now is a community thing and the Lake has it for anyone that finds it and wants to fish it!
Skip
One of those times when you need the go pro going. Best thing to do is leave, and that is a really tough pill to swallow. I would have snapped plenty of pics of his boat and registration number though and reported him. Karma also has a way of coming around
I travel to different lakes. When i find a brushpile and no one is on it, i mark it in my gps. When i come back to fish it, i don't care who put it in. If it's open, i'm fishing it. I've had guys come by and ask me how i'm doing and tell me they put that brush there. I tell them they can have it back, when i'm done. No problem. I carry but i won't pull it out for any reason unless someone puts their hands on me and i have no other choice. I'm too old to take a butt whoopin for a fishin hole or for any reason at all.
When you have a concealed carry permit, my opinion is you need to go out of your way to AVOID a confrontation. The fact that you are armed needs to be taken seriously, and it is hard on the ego to just go away. However, that is exactly what you need to do, IMO. I don't pretend to know all there is to this story, but you can't reason with stupid. And you can't brandish a gun over a fishing spot.
Get his registration #, report to proper authorities.
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I've sunk a huge number of structure items over the years, Never once did I consider it "mine" after it hit the bottom. I have had folks try to shoe-horn in to fish a structure I was on first and I just keep on fishing while they are forced to wait till I'm done. Most of the time I just ignore them. You know how the wind is when it blows your boat between that structure and their boat.
I get reports of folks essentially running others off "their" spot. Luckily I haven't had to deal with that other than the time an old man pushed my boat several feet away from his boat so he could drop his anchor where my transom had been sitting. I was amazed he had lived that long acting like that toward others. I just told him my piece and went on.
I had a member on here recently raise cane (screaming obsenities ) about me going to a spot that he planned on fishing . I pointed out it was a public lake and a brushpile on a public map given out by the corps . There are several in a row and not sure which one he planned to fish but bottom line was I was there first . After thinking about it he returned to tell me he was totally in the wrong . I told him to now go back and tell the man I had been fishing with as well as his fishing partner he was out of line.
Sounds like a two digit IQ problem.
I had some old geezers shoot me once while duck hunting nearby their spot and they didn't like it,,,, My 16 year old son was with me so Instead of handling them personally, I did the smart thing and called authorities and had them talked to about their behavior,,
I've only ever had words with a couple of folks over the years, and have a temper anyway, so I take a lot going the other way. As Chaunc has already said, all is good til I see no other means.
Story doesn't tell it all. But we all know two wrongs don't make a right. Both appear to be in the wrong. Fishing is supposed to be fun. If it isn't, move on. Life is too short.
don't matter if he didn't point the gun at him.....just pulling it out in a confrontation to show force is "assault" and you can be arrested for that...Quote:
Originally Posted by Orion_70
What? You got to be in New York City. Here OPEN carry is still legal.
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Open carry is one thing but when you unholster it then it becomes a different story I would think. I carry also, but I would never pull a gun over a fishing hole. I just graph around a find another one. :dono
Sorry, but if I was fishing this location, by myself or with my family, the old man would be put in his place, period.
Recently, I pulling up to a public dock right here on Ky Lake, and this cat has 5 or 6 rods dropped all over the place, 3 tackle boxes, and proceeds to tell me to go somewhere else. Now, this is not a fishing pier, which there is a public pier in this same bay, and a small park adjacent also.
Anyway, I just went ahead with my plans to moor my boat. There is also an adult with 3 kids on the 2 dock ends, and the this father is doing donuts on a jet ski less than 50 ft from the dock.
The fisherman proceeds to start cussing me, calling all kinds of names. I tied off the back of the boat, turned off my motor, and his mouth is still running. I stood up, walked to the front, tied off my boat, and immediately jumped out on the dock.
Mr Bada@$ ran to the other end of the dock. I instructed the POS to stay over there if he was smart.
This is a prime example of alot of people in this day and age. You call their bluff, and 98% of the time, they head the other direction. These type of people have been bluffing or bullying folks their entire life, I'm just the wrong person to try that with.
I have a concealed carry permit, and carry on out of town trips, but I never have it in the boat. Never felt the need for it.
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Personally, i would deescalate and leave if the conversation went this way, but would be well documented on one of my two go pros i always have with me. This would be turned over to law enforcement. Luckily the owners of two brush piles i like to fish on my local lake come out and have a good hour or two conversation with me. Now after multiple conversations, they have told me where they put more brushpiles.
It's pretty stupid to try and push someone from a fishing spot ( you might get a serious whuppin) or worse shot.Its also pretty stupid to brandish a weapon unless bodily harm is unavoidable, in most cases walking away would solve it.As for comparing open carry to brandishing,your not brandishing by simply having a holstered firearm in the open,providing its legal in your state,brandishing is pulling the firearm,and in some jurisdictions,putting your hand on the holstered gun.
An intelligent person knows their limitations,a stupid person,well they are just plain stupid,let the DNR handle the situation,in all likelihood they have dealt with this same individual before,take pics/ record,motor off and call it in,fish on!
Just having the gun on COE property will get you arrested
Seems like the best thing to do would be to initially not back down, as it is your right to be there....and when things escalate, begin recording the incident. When it is apparent he won't quit harassing you, rather than brandishing a weapon, leave the spot and then call the authorities. Tell them the story and show them the video and let them go handle it. I'm not sure who collects the fine money (whether its local DNCR or local police) but it's almost 100% certain they will not give a warning and will give them a hefty fine. Then go back and fish the spot after they make them leave. The satisfaction of the fine and winning on principle would make it worthwhile for me. JMO
Crazy Cajuns, Both going to court now over a fishing spot on one of the largest lakes in the state.
The guy that started the trouble is a guide over on that side of the lake and this is not the first time they have had trouble with him! Any guide that acts like that should be dealt with! Like I said not the first time he's been in these issues. Just sayin!
Skip
Cwp is a good thing, have had one since 1970's. Will not draw my weapon unless someone points gun at me. Life is to short to go to prison for 20 or more years for murder. Have walked away from hotheads several times over the years. Use common sense, when you argue with a fool, you become a fool. A graceful exit is always best, no fishing spot is worth shooting someone over...!