Apology....sort of.

I apologize that I sometimes get a lil off kilter on some topics.
We are all sick and tired of the Asian Carp disaster (I am and haven't even fished the lakes in years)...but it gets me that people gripe and complain about a few bowfishermen throwing fish on the bank....or whine about getting their crankbaits hung in a commercial fishermans net.
Who other than those two groups are doing ANYTHING to kill the asian carps ? NOBODY !!
I've been on this board for a long time....the reports of outstanding shellcracker fishing on the two lakes have been phenomenal the last few years.....but suddenly (it cant be the fluctuating water) we cant catch em so the bowfishermen are poaching them ??
For the record....I dont bowfish....never have other than when I was a kid in the back water.
Just seems that when things dont go our way we are awful quick to blame another type of sportsman.
I will gladly lose a few baits to a commercial fishermans net if they are doing something to get rid of a few of the asian horde !!! And if every silver or bighead carp shot with a bow winds up on the bank...I could care less ....thats one less in our waters spawning !!

Carry on

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The illegal taking of sportfish by bowfishermen has been going on as long as there have been bowfishermen. Period. Not all--not even most, but it does happen. To ignore it and it's affects are sticking ones head in the sand. Does it have a huge effect on populations? Probably not but illegal is illegal.

We're not talking about a few bowfishermen throwing some carp on the bank. We're talking about hundreds of pounds of carp, buffalo, gar. etc lined up on public boat ramps, pictures taken, then they drive off to let somebody else take care of their mess. Many of those doing this are being policed by their own ranks. F&W is working hard to stop it also.

Maybe I missed something here about nets and crankbaits?? I've never said a word about netters and commercial fishermen taking gazillions of pounds of carp nor have I seen anything here about folks getting cranks hung in the nets. Every carp taken and killed is one good carp. I've always taken the stand that commercial fishermen have as much right to the lake and to run nets/trotlines as I have to drop a jig or crank over the side of the boat.There is absolutely no bigger supporter of commercial fishermen than I am.

Doug,
I wasn't calling you out. There has been posts on here where people were griping about getting their props and baits hung in nets.
What do you suggest bowfishermen do ? Shake em off at the boat....toss em in a dumpyat the ramp ....do nothing and dont kill em like tbe rest of us ????
On the other note.....I bet there's a TON more gill hooked sport fish that go belly up after being released than what few the bowfishermen poke.
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Sorry for the double post

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I got it ... no biggie !!

Sorry I had to edit your post .... that B word isn't allowed.
LOL ... ask mrdux about what I told him about editing Slab :yikes for using that same word :Rofl

First, the dumping of carcasses or remains is against law, and can be considered illegal dumping. By all means, kill every darn one of the carp, but deal with it in an ethical manner. Not to be an eyesore to fellow fisherman or future potential sportsman, these individuals could drive by the ramp and see how our locals treat the amenities and choose not to visit, or become a sportsman.
Second, when these commercial fisherman illegally have their nets in the waters without the appropriate floats and they are not tagged, I have a serious problem with that. I have had several instances where both boat motor and trolling motor have gotten tangled in unmarked nets.
Third, you have been on this sight for a long time, since 2005. But sir, 160 posts over 12 years averages to 13.3 posts per year. I am not sure where your contribution comes in at, but it appears that you reply more to Wappapolla fishing reports in Missouri than you do or contribute right here in western Kentucky.
I'm not sure of your intent in your apology or rant, but it ended with a rant that you have very little information on or about. With any argument, the line gets drawn with the evidence, facts, and the knowledge to back it up. Hence, I haven't seen any of this brought forth by yourself. If you want to call somebody on the carpet, then do it with facts. If you want to make an apology, then do it with sincerity and you will get somewhere. If you have something worthy, by all means we want to hear it.


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First, the dumping of carcasses or remains is against law, and can be considered illegal dumping. By all means, kill every darn one of the carp, but deal with it in an ethical manner. Not to be an eyesore to fellow fisherman or future potential sportsman, these individuals could drive by the ramp and see how our locals treat the amenities and choose not to visit, or become a sportsman.
Second, when these commercial fisherman illegally have their nets in the waters without the appropriate floats and they are not tagged, I have a serious problem with that. I have had several instances where both boat motor and trolling motor have gotten tangled in unmarked nets.
Third, you have been on this sight for a long time, since 2005. But sir, 160 posts over 12 years averages to 13.3 posts per year. I am not sure where your contribution comes in at, but it appears that you reply more to Wappapolla fishing reports in Missouri than you do or contribute right here in western Kentucky.
I'm not sure of your intent in your apology or rant, but it ended with a rant that you have very little information on or about. With any argument, the line gets drawn with the evidence, facts, and the knowledge to back it up. Hence, I haven't seen any of this brought forth by yourself. If you want to call somebody on the carpet, then do it with facts. If you want to make an apology, then do it with sincerity and you will get somewhere. If you have something worthy, by all means we want to hear it.


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Got it.....because someone doesn't have time to sit around and post 8 or 10 times a day,their opinions are not worthy.
Have fun.

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First, the dumping of carcasses or remains is against law, and can be considered illegal dumping. By all means, kill every darn one of the carp, but deal with it in an ethical manner. Not to be an eyesore to fellow fisherman or future potential sportsman, these individuals could drive by the ramp and see how our locals treat the amenities and choose not to visit, or become a sportsman.
Second, when these commercial fisherman illegally have their nets in the waters without the appropriate floats and they are not tagged, I have a serious problem with that. I have had several instances where both boat motor and trolling motor have gotten tangled in unmarked nets.
Third, you have been on this sight for a long time, since 2005. But sir, 160 posts over 12 years averages to 13.3 posts per year. I am not sure where your contribution comes in at, but it appears that you reply more to Wappapolla fishing reports in Missouri than you do or contribute right here in western Kentucky.
I'm not sure of your intent in your apology or rant, but it ended with a rant that you have very little information on or about. With any argument, the line gets drawn with the evidence, facts, and the knowledge to back it up. Hence, I haven't seen any of this brought forth by yourself. If you want to call somebody on the carpet, then do it with facts. If you want to make an apology, then do it with sincerity and you will get somewhere. If you have something worthy, by all means we want to hear it.


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Got it.....because someone doesn't have time to sit around and post 8 or 10 times a day,their opinions are not worthy.
Have fun.

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What is a Wappapolla ?:Rofl

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Ok, I get it. Auto correct got me. Lake Wappapella. If ya need your memory revived, and I believe you understood what lake was being mentioned, please see below for an example of one of your posts for this lake.
If you actually have anything worthy, please post. And opinions are worthy, but when they violate the law they tend to be neglected.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...e051fd11fb.jpg

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Pappy or DKB, do us all an favor and close this thread. I am trying to be civil here, but it is not getting anywhere. Good night......

Im not a fan of a big pile of rotten fish along the boat ramp, carp or any species. If you plan to hunt fish with bow and arrow, please make arrangements before you go of what you will do with your harvest. If big pile at boat ramp is your answer, please take up another hobby like 3d target shooting. Thanks

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Doug,
<snip> What do you suggest bowfishermen do ? Shake em off at the boat...<snip>

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Simple answer - YES! Stab then through to make sure they puncture the swim bladder and leave them where they caught them. The turtles and catfish will appreciate the extra protein. I know one bow fisher who leaves them on the ramp just to annoy everyone else who uses the ramp. btw: I know him but he is not a friend.

Just be civil in your discussions ... don't take it personal & agree to disagree. Remember ... personal attacks, stated or implied, are against site rules !!

That being said ... I do remember a member complaining about getting cranks hung in commercial nets. It may have been Wiskers, but I'm not sure. It was some time ago, and I'm not sure that thread is recoverable by search. My memory is sketchy, but I "think" those nets were not properly set/marked.

In any case ... some good points were made on both sides of the discussion. REMEMBER .... when you point a finger at someone/something, there are three other fingers pointing at you !!

Salty over here across the river

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Pappy or DKB, do us all an favor and close this thread. I am trying to be civil here, but it is not getting anywhere. Good night......

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Bandchaser,
Sorry I got under your skin. It's really pretty simple....if you don't think you can discuss in a civil manner just don't reply to the thread. No need to ask for the post to be removed just because you disagree with it.

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Im not a fan of a big pile of rotten fish along the boat ramp, carp or any species. If you plan to hunt fish with bow and arrow, please make arrangements before you go of what you will do with your harvest. If big pile at boat ramp is your answer, please take up another hobby like 3d target shooting. Thanks

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Mike,
I too totally disagree with leaving dead fish at the ramp.
My point was that like it or not...commercial fishermen and bow fishermen are the ONLY people doing anything at all to slow the asian carp invasion. Will it be enough? Probably not. But the same folks that gripe about these two groups are the same ones that complain about the carp ruining the fishery.
For the record....Im not a commercial fisherman or a bow fisherman.

Thanks,
Pirogue

Pirogue,
I'm the one who originally started the other thread because I seriously thought that fish I posted a picture of had been shot by a bow fishermen. The cove I caught this fish in, there's a fella that shoots at 50lb Flathead and everything else...he told me this himself. I kind of assumed this guy had taken a shot at this fish because it was caught behind his house.

For the record I'm not anti bow fishermen at all.

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Bandchaser,
Sorry I got under your skin. It's really pretty simple....if you don't think you can discuss in a civil manner just don't reply to the thread. No need to ask for the post to be removed just because you disagree with it.

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Ooooh, you haven't gotten under my skin. And this is the first time that you have actually stated something correct, it is pretty simple......

Never choose an argument with an unarmed individual. In another way of saying it, and using your own words against you, in your original post you stated and I quote, "Just seems that when things don't go our way we are awful quick to blame another type of sportsman."

So, in post #3, you stated in a return post to MRDUX and quote, "I bet there's a TON of more gill hooked sport fish that go belly up after being released than what few the bowfisherman poke."
So, what is your intent in calling out against blaming other sportsman, but you completely did it yourself in your own thread that you started all by yourself?? I believe where I was raised right here in Western KY, that is stated as " ain't you the pot callin' the kettle black."

Then, in a double post of #8 & 9, you got your tity whities in a bind because you got called out, so you decided to storm off and pout...... But then, less than an hour later, you just had to come back and start up again with trying to make a joke about a misspelled lake name. Boy oh boy, you got me there!!!!!! LMBO!!!!!!!

Yep, I asked for it to be closed because I foreseen the future, I looked into my crystal ball ( everybody knows I am a gypsy ), and predicted that you would come back. In post #18, you kept the same ramble about the commercial fishermen and the bow fishermen are the ONLY people doing anything at all to slow the asian carp invasion. You sir are again incorrect, and need to get your information prior to making such outlandish statements. Additional outlandish statements referring to the phenomenal gills, bream and redear fishing the last few years is little hard to swallow as well. I have several friends that are guides, and serious gill/redear fisherman, that last year and this year have been some of the worst years for these fish. Now, I am not going to get into the specifics on this because this would arm you with free information for you to use haphazardly somewhere else.
In conclusion, I have stated more than once that if you have something that is worthy, by all means post it. But don't try to crawl away or make an invalid attempt to make fun of someone because you got caught without all the facts, or were called on the carpet. Brother, I got some real thick skin, and most of these guys know I am pretty straight forward, and for the most part a pretty good guy as I call many my friends. But you sir, one minute your calm, and the next your trying to prove something that you have know idea about. So, where is your evidence? Facts? And you were right again in your opening line in the original post, that makes 2 correct statements now, that sometimes get a lil off kilter on some topics.
I hope that in the future we can share more civil but more educational conversations that actually pertain to what all of our passion is, and that is catching some dandy slobber knockers in the very near future.:fish

Ok Chief !

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To all, this is getting pretty intense. So, here's my two sense worth.
1. IT is a shame that some bow fisherman leave dead fish at a ramp or floating in the lake. I bet these guys are the 10% offenders. The other 90% keep what they shoot or dispose of them properly.
2. The statement that the gut hooked/gill hooked fish that are released to the lake may be true, but if it doesn't have a size limit most fisherman put them on ice and clean them.
3. We ALL need to keep an eye out for abuse for whatever is going on at the lakes, I DID not report abuse of the rules I saw for years, just ignored stuff I knew was wrong, but lately I have contacted DNR when I saw a bad abuse of our fishing rules and they arrested, confiscated stuff for their actions.
4. 95% of the fisherman on the lakes are very good people and abide by the rules. We all need to take the time and effort to get the other 5% in trouble/reported if we can.

Later, Jim

I don't understand why it can't be common practice for bow fishermen to shoot, take a picture, and dump the carcass right back into the drink. Leaving them around the ramp area or in the dumpsters is just not cool at all.

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Simple answer - YES! Stab then through to make sure they puncture the swim bladder and leave them where they caught them. The turtles and catfish will appreciate the extra protein. I know one bow fisher who leaves them on the ramp just to annoy everyone else who uses the ramp. btw: I know him but he is not a friend.

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Report him to the CO. If it Marshall County report him to an adjacent counties CO.

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I don't understand why it can't be common practice for bow fishermen to shoot, take a picture, and dump the carcass right back into the drink. Leaving them around the ramp area or in the dumpsters is just not cool at all.

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Agreed or in the case of buffalo to actually eat them. I'll put fried buffalo against most freshwater fish in a pepsi challenge and guarantee the person chowing down will be VERY happy.

Buffalo ribs is my mother in laws favorite. She would take them over any other fish.


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