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So without spending out the but money at bass pro I got a helix 5 and installed the transducer but I can't get it to not "wash out" at speeds faster then 10mph or faster I have a tracker grizzly 1448 aluminum flat bottom boat...maybe it's the strakes on the bottom? I've moved it multiple times and can't get it fixed..I can post pictures later any help is extremely appreciated or if there's a better forum anybody suggests posting this in thanks good luck everybody catch a big one!!
You may try the electronics thread on the main page. Lots of info there. Post a picture.
I know anything in front of or near the TX ponder will screw the picture up
Good luck
Aluminum hulls with rivets are bad about causing bubbles and turbulence that washes out readings at higher speeds. Does your hull run level on plane? Can you move transducer lower into flow stream?
I read somewhere that you want it where it doesn't rooster tail, keeping that in mind if I move it any lower it will rooster tail...the boat not being flat on plane could be onto something though I'll have to focus on that's tomorrow and see if I can adjust the motor..thanks!
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A little rooster tail is not a problem. My transducers throw them. You need bottom face of transducer down in "clean" flow of water. I used a yardstick and laid up against bottom of my hull to show me where I needed to extend transducer. I put middle of transducer just below bottom plane of hull. Mine tracks bottom at any speed, just not as clean an image when going faster.
I did that at first with the yard stick and had it at the half of the transducer where it was well under what but it still did the same thing...I would move it more left or right away from the strake on the bottom but I used a glue on piece($50) that's safe to screw into rather than the transom...sounds like I may have to get another one and try it though
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FWIW
When I had my Garman on my boat, I never could get it to work above about 10 MPH, when I put my Lowrance on, I didn't have any problem getting it adjusted to work up to about 36 MPH.
I had this problem with the rivets, had to lower it more than half of the transducer below the bottom of the boat and tilt it forward a little too. It's working fine now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fisholishous
By more than half do you mean a little of the top out of the water or the whole thing submerged? And when you say tilt it forwards you mean like the tip going down in the water further right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Countryboy N.C.
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I am no expert by any means, but from the side view it looks to be a touch too high and angled too much from front to back. Before you move it, you may want to try changing the angle so the front of the transducer is slightly lower than the back or at least level.
Will do, so basically angle it opposite of how it is now cause it's slightly angled down at the tip of the transducerQuote:
Originally Posted by MidHillbilly
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I see one problem in the picture, you are to close to that rib on the bottom. it is creating air bubbles, If you till it up in the back it will plow through the water, it needs to be tilted forward just a little and mine is about 1 inch below the bottom, to get away from the bubbles the revits are creating. I try to get you a picture after while.
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On my boat that is welded, no rivets, its not that low , about half the transducer is blow the bottom and not tilted as much. The bottom is smooth on it , so I didn't have as much disturbance from the bottom of the boat.
So your thinking I should lower it a little bit?Quote:
Originally Posted by Countryboy N.C.
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Just looking at the picture. It looks like your txducer front is above the bottom of the boat?so that you have water making a wave in front of the txducer. I have a pontoon and the transducer is mounted even with the bottom of the toon, but not below the chine that's on the bottom of the toon. txducer is pointed up in the front.
Hope the picture helps, I get a good view at 24 mph
That's a Hummingbird txducer
As someone else said, you don't want it too low in the front or it will plow a bit, but I am guessing with an aluminum boat like this, it rides a bit nose up and not level on plane. With the xducer already slanted down in back a pretty good bit, it may be too much at speed. I would see what it looks like one click higher in the back. The manual says the side seam should be level to about 5 degrees down toward the back. The other thing is that the seam should be level with the bottom of the boat on the inside seam. Yours look just a bit too high but when you change the angle it may look a bit different. You should also be away from the ribs and rivets but since you said you have already moved it several times that maybe there is some other problem. I have a Helix 5 with SI on a fiberglass boat and it does well at speed but is just a bit low and has a slight rooster tail. I don't want to move it up because it does work well the way it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by 14trackergrzzly
Another thought....is there anything on the bottom forward of the transponder, I'm thinking a live well drain in the bottom, or anything that breaks the smooth bottom.
Just throwing out ideas cheap to check. It's a new boat maybe packing tape on the hull
Good luck finding the problem
I'll give it a try and see what I can do!
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From looking at the pictures you posted, you need to lower it some and move it to the right, maybe to the middle of that mounting board your using, get away from that rib on the bottom of the boat, right now you are just to one side of it, That thing creates a lot of bubbles . I know what your going through, I have a 14 36 john boat and a 99 tracker 175 with them ribs on the bottom, took a few adjustment before I got them right. I'm boat poor, there is 4 sitting here in the yard.Quote:
Originally Posted by 14trackergrzzly
That's the transducer for your Helix 5?? I have the regular 2D GPS combo. Mine doesn't look like that. Is yours a DI unit? If so that would explain the much larger size.
I had the same problem on my Tracker TX 175. It has to be lower that the hull. Put a fiberglass block on bottom of strake and bolted transducer to it. Garmin works fine now. Just have to make sure I don't run aground! From the last picture your transducer isn't low enough.
Are you talking about putting it on the bottom of the boat? Any way I could see a picture of what your talking about? Thankyou for the help!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry Bryant
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Went out thismorning and this is all I could get from the fish finder which it wasn't like this yesterday afternoon??
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Yes, mine is on the bottom of the boat, screwed to a runner on the bottom. Will be glad to send you a picture, but not sure how to load it. Can we swap emails and do it that way, or if you can tell me how to load a picture then I will try that. Either way.
Well haha I have an app called tapatalk on my phone that is kinda like messages and give you access to all the forums so that's how I upload them but I'll shoot you an Message with me email if you will keep an eye out!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry Bryant
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Just my 2cent. But I think it needs to move more toward center of boat. Right on the corner is a lot of turbulance being caused. Maybe just a tick lower in the water also. Just my thinkin.
I'm gonna go to Walmart and get a cutting board to make more mounting board to move it closer to the center an down then if that doesn't work I'm gonna attempt to make some sort of extension to keep slick clean water under itQuote:
Originally Posted by ofishlbizzness
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I am replying to your pictures from the fish finder screen. You have the setting on switchfire max mode if I am seeing it correctly. This mode lights up virtually anything. I very rarely use this as it tends to clutter up the screen. That said, it is possible that you may be seeing a thermocline at the 20 ft level.
So I took a look at the back of the boat and due to the trailer bunks and the strakes on the underside of the boahttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...74acf7f73f.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...c77f81f9db.jpgt I would have to put the transducer right beside the motor...I think that should work as long as it's deep enough? May submerge the whole thing then make a rooster tail shield? What do yal think about it being that close to the motor?
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Had an issue with losing resolution at higher speeds and freezing up at fast speeds. The dealer that did the install stayed every boat and outboard has a different wash. I would recommend asking those on a tracker forum where they have their transducer mounted. Had mine remounted and fixed the problem but sticks alittle under the boat which means alittle extra spray out the back
Trial and error is what it sounds like it's gotta be hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by micorps
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An after thought..would a planer board on the motor affect the transducers high speed readings ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry Bryant
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Not sure, never used one. I noticed that the new trackers, at concord, had the transducer where mine is now located. When I talked to a rep he said they had a lot of complaints about the transducer not reading properly when on full plane. They found this works best on boats like mine. In our conversation he mentioned not to put it too close to the motor due to turbulence from the motor. Mine is mounted to a 3/4 inch piece of material similar to cutting boards. That way I can move it if necessary but I have not had to. I noticed, from your picture, there is a top and bottom piece to your transducer. It is imperative that the bottom part be below the boat. The one who sent a picture of a board running out to the transducer is a good way to make sure it is at the right level. And, if possible put it between the strakes. Good luck and I know your pain--I have been there.Quote:
Originally Posted by 14trackergrzzly
[QUOTE=Jerry Bryant;3254845]Not sure, never used one. I noticed that the new trackers, at concord, had the transducer where mine is now located. When I talked to a rep he said they had a lot of complaints about the transducer not reading properly when on full plane. They found this works best on boats like mine. In our conversation he mentioned not to put it too close to the motor due to turbulence from the motor. Mine is mounted to a 3/4 inch piece of material similar to cutting boards. That way I can move it if necessary but I have not had to. I noticed, from your picture, there is a top and bottom piece to your transducer. It is imperative that the bottom part be below the boat. The one who sent a picture of a board running out to the transducer is a good way to make sure it is at the right level. And, if possible put it between the strakes. Good luck and I know your pain--I have been there.
I got cutting board from Walmart today and I cut it in half, jb welded the two halves together then cut it so it's 8" long and 5" tall and it will go between the drain hole and the bunks on the trailer so I can move the transducer anywhere between there! I am also just gonna go ahead and get the transducer as deep as I can get it then just make a piece to go on top to deflect the spray it throws up and I'm hoping that will work...if it doesn't then I'll find a way to mount it on the bottom of the boat
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On my Tracker I had I placed the transducer 12" to the right of the center of the boat. It gets away from the motor wash. Your transducer should be set where the center of the transducer is even with the bottom of the boat. This will put the bottom of the trams below the boat. The back of the transducer should be set close to 1/4" lower than the front.
I agree about you settings, adjusting it will clear a lot of the clutter.
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Alright I'll keep that in mind when installing it AGAIN thisafternoon hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by STUMP HUNTER
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Looks like to me when planed off youre gonna be in the bubbles. I would guess it needs to be lowered about half the thickness of the tranducer into the water when on plane. Forget the roostertail....get it where it reads. You can also try increasing the sensitivity when running planed off for a better image.
Will do! I glued another cutting board to the transom to mount it on,but the bottom of the cutting board is a little lower than the bottom of the boat so it may drag...think that will be a problem or maybe benefit it to be able to get it lower?Quote:
Originally Posted by gabowman
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Here's the final product for now I built off the old transducer I had for my other fishfinder it's well below the water line and hopefully will work if not I have the piece of cutting board glue setting on the other side as a back up http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...d12f32c153.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...587af6a1f3.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...46a834ab3c.jpg
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