How feasible is this? If you're slow trolling do you need weights on the rods out the back? Never done this before so I'm trying to learn as much before I go.
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How feasible is this? If you're slow trolling do you need weights on the rods out the back? Never done this before so I'm trying to learn as much before I go.
Two different tactics, it isn't possible as you have to move at a different speed for each technique. When spider rigging I'm moving really slow so as to keep my lines strait up and down. When long lining I'm moving much faster!
Agreed. I will spider rig at 0.4-0.6. I longline from 0.7 to 1.2 or so. If I need to go faster than 1.2 I'm probably going to roadrunners or cranks.
But you could spider rig from front and back at .4-.6?
Yes you can..disagree with the notion that these are two different tactics. It is trolling, plain and simple. By tossing some baits out the back when you are spider-rigging, all you are doing is targeting a different depth if you are using the same baits. If you want to go deeper while maintaining the same speed, put on heavier baits, use lighter line, or baits that dive. Fish could be shallower than your spider baits..you may not see them in your TD cone..and you just might get some bonus fish.I troll for walleyes a lot using bottom bouncers, and with our rod restrictions here in MI (3 rods per person), I will many times toss a crank bait out to target fish marked higher in the water column. Many lures can be fished at the same speed/depth. Remember, it is what the fish want that counts. YMMV
I figured I could put out 4 or 6 rods out back with a weight to keep them vertical, same as the front. Plus pull a crankbait or 2 back there. The man in the back of the boat has to have something to do also!
Yes, that's feasible .... but, I wouldn't call it "longlining".Quote:
Originally Posted by nccater
"Longlining" indicates that the lines (baits) are being dragged many feet behind/away from the boat. The angler in the back of the boat would simply be "spider rigging" or "slow trolling" ... same as the angler in the front. :twocents
Since you have to maintain a specific speed to keep your baits well out behind the boat when long line trolling ... and use specific weights to keep your baits directly under the rod tips when spider rigging ... if you wanted to do both at the same time, the angler in the back would have to use some very light baits, and the boat would have to keep going at a speed that would keep those baits well behind the boat, yet still allow the front angler's baits to remain vertical. Then, what happens if you have to slow down, or get a bait snagged, or whatever would make the boat slow down or stop (even momentarily) ... the longline baits will sink down even deeper, and possibly hang up.
IMHO .... best case scenario is for both anglers to be using the same method, same rigs, at the same time, & at the same speed. Depths fished can be altered by how much line is let out vs sinker weight used vs boat speed.
By the way ... if the angler in the back is using 4-6 rods, I'm thinking he will have "plenty" to do, watching all those rods & changing depths on them to keep them from becoming snagged :Rofl :twocents
... cp :kewl
Seems to me if your fishing the same out the back the same as the man up front, your fishing dead water that's already been fished? Why not use longer poles out the side in unfished water?
Power trolling or pushing and pulling.
AROUND HERE IF ONE IN FRONT IS SLOW TROLLING WITH WEIGH TO KEEP BAIT STRAIGHT DOWN,THE ONE IN BACK USUALLY FISH FLOATS WAY BEHIND BOAT OTHERWISE THE BOAT WILL HAVE THEM SPOOK CLOSE BEHIND BOAT,ONE DAY FRONT MAN DO BEST ,NEXT DAY ONE IN BACK DOES BEST
I almost always drag two behind, one on each side, when I am pushing baits up front. I push up to eight 14/16' rods, with 3/4 oz sinkers holding the front jigs down (usually 1/16 oz). Then will toss a jig only well behind boat on a 7' rod (usually 1/16 oz).
I thought I was pulling and pushing at the same time.
Put as many out as the people on board can watch and keep from getting tangled and hung. I just call it fishing with better odds, let the ones watching name it. Hopefully we all have the problem of not being able to keep up!!!
I fish that way a lot. put more wieght on vertical lines and little bit more line out. Troll at 1.3 to 2.0. cover more water faster and find what they like that day faster. works well here in summer.
Yes you can spider rig and long line at same time you just have to figure out how to maintain the depth you want on your long lines they are the hardest ones to figure out depths. I like to spider rig my fishing buddy likes to long line so we usually start out doing both if one is a lot better than the other we may go to just that or days when long lining was the best I just sucked it up for I'm fishing for pleasure not just for the food. Maybe this will help on our rigs 6 lb line with a 1/16 oz jig will go about 7 to 8 ft deep at .08 on the long lines ok here is wher it gets tricky if your needing to go slower you have to figure out how to keep that bait from going to deep or how to get it to go deeper if the fish is deeper so with those 2 numbers you should be able to figure out how to manage . We have done real well at both at the same time .
it's a bummer when you hit a snag up front and can't stop the boat . Got to cut lines or risk long lining baits to drop into the brush also .:banghead
I saw a few guys this weekend that appeared to be long lining out the back and spider rig up front. I am no guru on this crappie stuff, but what 5eyes said seems to make sense. I may try that when I have 3 in the boat.
Yep!Quote:
Originally Posted by fiveeyes
I agree that spider rigging and longlining is two different tactics. Spider rigging you keep lines tight and at a set depth and move slow. Longlining or pulling you are moving at twice the speed with a flatline that has been cast out. You can push and pull at the same time. Pushing is when you use heavier weights on long rods ahead of your trolling motor keeping baits straight down at similar speeds to longlining. I have heard of guys pushing well over 2mph. Personally I like to use one tactic or pattern at the time. It usually depends on the lake and time of year as the tactic I use. For instance if I go to some of the central Florida lakes that are shallow clear bowls I push baits. Many of the North Florida, Georgia, and Alabama lakes I longline. The deeper clear lakes further North I will spider rig. Usually staying over structure facing up wind and only bumping motor as needed. Developing a pattern for the water you are fishing is the benchmark to success.
This works great but is not longlining. My partners and I have caught many fish this way spider rigging or tightlining. I personally like to just bump the trolling motor as needed and usually stay below .3 when spider rigging.Quote:
Originally Posted by nccater
How clear is the water in the clear lakes that your talking about spider rigging? I don't spider rig clear water, they can see the boat and spook, instead I use planer boards...Quote:
Originally Posted by crappielimits
I won a local tournament one time...my partner pushed out the front with 1/2 ounce lead and a 1/16 th jig...I long lined out the back with single 1/48 running about .5 to .8
would planer boards out the back not be a better option or dragging corks out the side and back ?
Yes it would..target those fish that might spook when spider riggn'..5Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle 1
I have never had the boat spook fish in + 20 ft. When spider rigging you put poles out front to beat boat and trolling motor to spook fish. If fish are shallower I will longline, vertical jig, cast, or usually dock shoot on a clear lake. I have never found a need to crappie fish with a planer board. I have only fished in tournaments in Ga,Florida,Al,Ms,Tn,Sc,Nc,and Virginia never found a lake so clear I couldn't catch fish spider rigging brush. I know the further north lakes may be clearer. Just curious, what exactly do you gain from using planers for crappie? We have used planers trolling for grouper and king mackerel. Use them for depth control and to get line separation. I never really enjoyed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by crappie cowboy
i use planers because i have a stick steer boat and it allows me to use resonable length rods.Quote:
Originally Posted by crappielimits