Why are they found in the MS.River but not the Tombigbee Waterway ?
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Why are they found in the MS.River but not the Tombigbee Waterway ?
Aint got there yet, 2 completely different river systems.
I think I read they are in Kentucky lake now so give it time and they will be in Tenn Tom waterway. Google it and see what you can find out.
This latest round of flooding may well have taken care of that. It's a plague equal to some of the Biblical curses in the Bible.
I've wandered a lot of times, how long it will be before they start showing up. I've also wandered what it will do to riverfront property values. Most folks I know who have property there love water sports and to pleasure boat ride. The carp will take the fun out of all that.
They don't jump the same everywhere,and the Silvers jump worse than the Bigheads. It actually was not too bad until their numbers got so out of hand. If we could just get them down to a reasonable number as a percentage of the total fish weight we could live with them as bad as I would hate too.But they are like the alien invaders from another planet...they just multiply beyond belief and try to choke out everything.
See where they were brought here from southeast asia to help in water treatment facilities and let loose by flood waters .
The govment at work! :twocentsQuote:
Originally Posted by eagle 1
If it would help.
1. Have every state that has them to offer a free fishing day once a month. As long as you have one in your boat, string or trash bag you can catch the limit of any fish you wish in that body of water without a license.
2. If a agent wants to check your license you show him the carp. He tells you to fish on and goes to the next person.
The states need to give a little and we need to remove as many as we can.
We'll try to be at Pickwick the middle of March for a skip jack run to fill a freezer. I'll see if they are that far up KY lake.
If they get as bad down there as it is on the Illinois River then you can do the same as we do up here. Go to you tube and check out, redneck fishing tournament in Bath Illinois.
They are as far north as KY Lake goes! I fish mostly north of Jonathan Creek ad have seen the there!Quote:
Originally Posted by canebreaker
Don't nothing good come out of SE Asia!Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle 1
They are rarely caught on traditional fishing methods. They are filter feeders that eat the same things fry of other species eat. That is where the danger to game fish populations come in.Quote:
Originally Posted by canebreaker
Check out how bad they are in KY and Barkley right now. Coming to a lake near you.Check out the "Carp Madness" video of a commercial fishing tournamnet that was held here 3 years ago. It has gotten much worse since.
https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?...&hsimp=yhs-003
At times, our country has done some great things. We even figured out how a man could literally walk on the moon. When the right people and the resources get behind this problem it will be fixed. I sure hope that happens soon. I know a lot of us have fond memories of fisheries that are being destroyed by this species.
You are 100% correct. The problem hasn't been addressed fully because politicians haven't figured how to get rich off of the cure yet. They will.Quote:
Originally Posted by RLCRAPPIE
You are also 100% correct, mrdux! When politicians finally figure out an angle on that, the first thing you'll hear is...... "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help"!Quote:
Originally Posted by mrdux
The carp are at the base of Pickwick dam, with the lock system they are also in the lake.
I would think it's just a matter of time for the Tom.
The best way to catch them is to snag them while swimming in the pod. I wound use a spoon and wobble across there backs, they have fine skin and easy to penetrate.
Jim
Tennessee has the right answer, NOT.
Banned In Tennessee
It is unlawful to possess or transport live
specimens of the following animals:
•
Silver Carp
(Hypophthalmichthys molitrix)
•
Bighead Carp
(Hypophthalmichthys nobilis)
•
Black Carp
(Hypophthalmichthys piceus)
They ought to be on the creel list. No limit, catch all you can, don't leave the lake without a boat load.
With that rule does it mean a commercial fisherman can't have them either?
TN needs to change their contact info to include an email address too.
Looking at where they are I figured they would be some already in tenn/tomm .Quote:
Originally Posted by Rees Guide
I've seen schools of bigheads in late summer afternoon on KY that were literally acres across and when you got close to one it looks like I kicked my Terrova onto rabbit speed with the prop barely under the surface. I've hooked them while pulling cranks and it was like hooking onto the back of a jet-ski.
Bowfishing for them is huge in this area and they take tons of them out of the lake each week. It just doesn't seem to be helping. We have had 2 huge fish kills below Ky and Barkley dams in the last couple of years but they mostly killed silvers. It makes one think that somebody is at work developing something biological to kill them but not kill game fish.
We had a Humminbird seminar at my shop a while back and we cooked a large silver carp that I got from a commercial fisherman.I think everyone who tried it was impressed. They are a chore to fillet and get all the Y-bones out but the texture and taste is as good as any bass I ever ate.
They have a couple of processing plants locally that are dressing them for consumption. Several restaurants close by have them on the menu. One plant that was built to export them to SE Asian went under. If the commercial fishermen around here could get 15 cents per pound in the rough for them, several would be netting them full time.
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Originally Posted by mrdux
I have a friend in the delta in Ms. that is a commercial fisherman, and he only get 6 cents a pound in the rough for them. He says their no worth the problem and gas money to fish for.....:dono
That's a major problem to the problem. No demand here for them so the price is low. Got to keep the prices low to afford to process and ship else where. Heck, put them on a menu under another name at some of these eating places. Have them on free fish friday menus.
Sonic use to have a fish sandwich that I liked better the McD's. I don't know what kind of fish either were, I think it was the cheap cheese. Serve it hot, cheap and covered in sauce.
Most folks just can't get past the word C-A-R-P. Some of the fish markets locally are calling them some exotic or ethnic sounding names and it sells well.
The main problem with the commercial guys is the time and expense to get them from the lake to the processor plants. There have been rumors of a processing boat ,similar to what you see in Alaska but on a smaller scale, setting up shop on KY or Barkley. The commercial guys could make up the difference in sheer amounts if they didn't have to transport. Surely the pet food or fertilizer industry could utilize them.
I'm telling you---the stuff tastes great.
You're right about the "word" in my case. When you say carp to me you might as well say gar and some folks further south really love gar. Either way I don't want to eat it. On the other side it may be wrong but I've been told that redfish is a type of drum. Chef Prudholm put it on the map, blackened. Never would have eaten it as drum but love it now.
If they could find a way to harvest, process, and haul the flying carp cheaply enough, it could be a resource to stop world hunger.
I catch a bunch of drum on KY pulling cranks and don't have any desire to eat one. I'll bet if folks were fed the silver carp (or freshwater drum) without knowing it was carp, they would like it and ask for more. I felt the same way about rattlesnake until I cooked some. My family loves it. That doesn't mean I'm going to start lifting rocks to find one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boatbottom
To be clear, I don't eat drum but do eat redfish.
Flying carp taste great and we eat them all the time. Especially when we do big cookouts for the deer club. Fry them ribs up and have a FEAST! Whats left over I use on the ole trapline for coons. Wear em out! And also we use them as cut bait. Catfish can't get enough of em! All around pretty useful! And guess what.....for those of us that arent able to catch a big number of crappie, we could still have fish because those things JUMP in the boat literally! My buddy told me once "If you lower your standards........You increase your percentage." Math lesson of the day. He was talking about women, but I use the philosophy for fish! Don't use it for women. He didn't have a good experience with that one! hahahaha lmbo!:Rofl
Problem with that ? If the government has to catch and distribute it will cost $ 62.17 a lb.:Rofl . there was a study to do feral hogs that way but cost would not allow .Quote:
Originally Posted by BigRiverMarine
More like 6217.00 per pound if the Government takes it over. They pay McDonald Douglas 2500.00 for a stainless steel nut. Per one!!!!!!!! You can get 100 of the same nut at Fastenal for 25 bux.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle 1
When my mom lived at Oakland, MS she had about 12 cats on the farm to keep mice down. She would pressure cook all the rough fish, skins, heads and bones from the fish we cleaned for the cats. Pressure cooking was for the dogs if they got in the food.
Moon River Foods at Indianola, MS is paying a dime for Silvers & Grass Carp, 15 cents for Bigheads & 25 cents for Buffalo. I hauled 500 lbs down there & didn't pay for gas burned. Just not worth the trouble, so I just harvest & dump them!
They have got to get the price up to around 25 cents & not be so picky buying fish or they will never be viable.
Now "Orange Roughy". Real name " Patagonian Toothfish". Nobody would order it until they changed the name.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrdux
Hey Rees, you ever had any conversations with the game and fish folks about the carp? Are they doing anything to try to get ahead of the situation?
I have not, mist of my contact is with Larry Pugh and Keith Mills and only about the Big Four stuff.
About the only guy in Jackson (MDFW) that's on top of the AC situation is Dennis Riecke. He's been working on the problem for years. The problem is funding. Dr Hal Schramm at Miss State is an authority also. When we had that big fish kill on the Tunica Cutoff several years back, our local game warden, Gayle Mangum (May he rest in peace), made several trips to Stoneville, carried dead or dying Carp to the Lab for analysis. We suspected some type of disease, but never really found out exactly what killed them. If that biological agent could be IDed & reproduced, that would be a method. But again, FUNDING!
At present, the only means we have is netting & trapping. State laws need to be modified to allow us other methods, i.e., electro-shocking, etc.
BUT, the bottom line is the PRICE! If we could get the price up, there would be plenty of folks harvesting them.
Moon River originally said they were going to "spot" reefers (refrigerator unit trailers) to save us from having to drive 200 miles round trip to deliver the fish. However, it hasn't happened ...
If we could do like Kentucky W & F did several years back and sponsor a Commercial Net Fishing Tournament, on a regular basis, that would help!!
I'll volunteer my Lake & resources!! Even add some money to the Purse!
Good post, rebranger! Thanks for sharing. Boy, if they could identify that virus of whatever killed them, that would solve alot of folks' problem. If all the states with the carp problem(too many to name here), would pool their money to cure this problem, it could go a long way!:twocents
Maybe rewrite the Commercial fishing laws some. Any fishing license for the state is good as long as you keep the carp only.
I talked to a guy I don't see very often. He was snagging in Butla spillway. He caught 2 carp and threw them back. I gave him the 3rd degree and told him to visit our site to learn more about them.
Folks up here throw them back also but AFTER they have cut them wide open and busted the swim bladder( with the blessings of F&W). We have had a problem with some of the bowfishing crowd who think it is cool to shoot a boat load, line them up for pictures for Facebook, then leave them laying at the boat ramps. Others from the bank shoot them and throw them up on the bank so we can all enjoy the smell. F&W has seriously hung it in some butts over this.Quote:
Originally Posted by canebreaker
KY F&W has modified some of the netting laws to encourage catching all of them they can. We are hoping they will modify some of the snagging laws so folks from boats can snag them. It would have to be a blast to hook an 80 pound bighead from a kayak! Nantucket Sleigh ride!!!
Check out this article from Australia. It's killing their carp.
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