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If you were gonna buy a new unit today, which would it be and why..
HB 1199ci HD SI- one of the combos that are on sale now cause they are going to be discontinued or... the new Helix 9 SI Sonar/gps combo.
Is there anything one will do better than the other. I now run an older 597 with map card and I'm looking to upgrade. 1199 is the top end of what I'm willing to spend but everyone says bigger is better. What are your opinions?
Thanks
Here's some helix snapshots that someone shared..S00049_zpsa1o0v7f2.png Photo by fishfood4 | Photobucket
The onix10,at the console is close to the size of an 1199.That's a helix 10 below it.At the bow is an onix 10,with helix 9...http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/z...psge1ivlsj.jpg http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/z...psxudpmngl.jpg
Do the new helix units have the dreaded "donut" at slow trolling speeds like from the past ?
Helix and Core Networking - YouTube. The person narrating mistakenly calls the unit on the right side an onix.It acually is a helix 10
I HAVE A 1199 AND MUST SAY IT IS GREAT,DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE OTHERS BUT BRUSHPILES WILL JUMP OUT WITH 1199 AND AS FAR AS DONUT IS CONCERN WITH JUST GPS ALL UNITS ARE ABOUT THE SAME AS A DONUTS WHEN BOAT IS STILL
1199 is a lotta unit for the money
Question...my current set up runs off of the transducer on my i pilot. I have it set up for front and rear transducer and I just move the unit back and forth. Am I correct that I will need a different transducer to get HD at the bow. If so, would it mount to the TM shaft or would it be better to mount it on as a stand alone that would have to be deployed separately.
The HD is in reference to the mapping and screen brightness. Not really much difference between HD and non hd. The hd maps have more info on them and look really good. More detail!
I would consider the Helix 10 instead of the Helix 9. The 10 is bigger and comes standard with the HDSI transducer. You have more options with the data boxes with the Helix.
I was referring to slow trolling speeds like .1-.6 or so, when SR'g, etc., not when stationary.
All HB GPS model units display the donut when the GPS speed is less than 0.6mph ...Quote:
Originally Posted by jimp
This is simply because (at slow speeds) the boat has not moved a distance greater than the EPE (Estimated Position Error calculated by the GPS function) from the previous GPS data sample to the present GPS data sample ...
The unit is basically saying ... "I'm not sure you have moved far enough to be certain that you have actually moved ... So I'm gonna display a circle until I get a GPS data sample that confirms you have actually moved" ...
Rickie
The only downside to the 1199 is that it will stop getting new updates before the HELIX ...
Rickie
And the Helix will continue to be upgraded and support new accessories / features at least a couple of years after the 1199 no longer gets updates.Quote:
Originally Posted by rnvinc
Rickie and I both have an 1197 that hasn't gotten any updates beyond the point where Humminbird broke the 2D.....and will not support accessories like the 360 even though it is Ethernet capable.
I bought both a 1199 and Helix 10 for my new Excel. I wanted the side image for the console and DI for the bow. I'll let Rickie worry about the updates for both of them.
I bought both my units from Brian at BBG Marine.
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Originally Posted by rnvinc
Thanks Rickie. I figured you would know. The external antenna does not do away with the donut either does it. It just shows a pointer indicating last direction detected correct?
If you get a Heading Sensor external GPS, it eliminates the donut.......The direction the boat is pointed will be displayed even sitting dead still.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimp
Humminbird | AS GPS HS
mrdux,Quote:
Originally Posted by mrdux
You mind telling me how you have it set up? I know you like to pull jigs and cranks so I assume you have an ipilot. Will the transducer on the ipilot work with DI or did you have to add one? I was thinking that it would not. Do both of your units not have side image/DI? How do the images compare? I got lots of questions? lol
I would go Helix just for the AutoChart Live feature. Lots of unmapped lakes around me and lets you enhance lakes on your map cards.
I forgot about Autochart Live .... That is already 2 features the core units don't have ....The other is the improved data box management.
Minnkota us2 transducer is 2d only, no di or si.
Bob got ya covered below ...Quote:
Originally Posted by jimp
RickieQuote:
Originally Posted by BobB
Setting the xx9 units to 10hz gps refresh should be pretty good at stopping the donut right?
My opinion is that the manufacturers have led us to believe (or maybe allowed us believe without rebuttal) that 10Hz GPS refresh rate (10 times/second) somehow makes a more valuable product than a 5Hz GPS refresh rate (5 times/second) ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Superx10
This seems contradictory when ...:
1. The display screen refresh rate has not been also upgraded past 1 screen refresh/second ...
2. The EPE (Estimated Position Error) is "governmentally" degraded (on purpose) to "+\-" 10-15ft per GPS data sample ...
Here is an interesting (and lengthy) discussion ...
GPS Receiver Position Solution Rate - Moderated Discussion Areas
I will offer this analogy from that discussion ...:
In a boat that is moving at 6.82-MPH, or 10-feet-per-second, a GPS receiver that computes a position solution ten times per second (or 10-Hz) will be computing a solution for every one foot of motion of the boat. So we have a position solution that is computed in one-foot increments but is only accurate to about plus-or-minus 10 to 15-feet.
I highly doubt the higher 10Hz GPS refresh rate would have any effect on the donut when using any of the optional GPS antennas (excluding the AS GPS HS antenna that uses the internal magnetic compass to eliminate the donut) ...
I must make a note to test this on my ONIX just to see if there is any difference noticeable at all with the 2 settings (my 1197 does not have the option with 6.310 software) ...
Rickie
Rickie (rnvinc) can answer most questions since he set my whole system up. I have a da ducer apparatus for my Di transducer for the Helix 10 and the SI transducer on the transom for the 1199 SI/DI. I longline and pull cranks 95% of the time so I use a Terrova101 with I-Pilot. The 2D transducer on my Terrova is not used since it is strictly 2D. I run split screen on my 1199 when pulling cranks--1/2 2D and 1/2 GPS map. I don't use my front unit (Helix10) unless I'm longlining or have a boat full of guests then it will be split screen DI/GPS.Quote:
Originally Posted by nixon
When pulling cranks, I sit facing the back of the boat with my 1199 facing the bow.
What is the "donught" that is being referenced to?
Never mind. Asked the question to soon. Sorru
I am Project "HB Donut" ...Quote:
Originally Posted by skunked again
http://www.crappie.com/crappie/fishi...ject-hb-donut/
Rickie