Guiding on Dardanelle

Been thinking about doing some guiding on Dardanelle when I herd of a guy getting a ticket for guiding there. Thought I would do a little research on it before I started. Come to find out it is illegal to guide on lake Dardanelle or any tributaries connected to it they are all considered a WMA. I thought I would pass this information on cause I know some on here use to guide there some. Just wanted to give them a heads up cause they said they were going to be checking for it would hate to see someone lose a guiding license over something they did not know! If you have any questions I have the number to the Arkansas game and fish west central fisheries head quarters where I talked to the head warden there.

Wow! You just put a hurtin on some folks!

Good grief. Never heard of such a thing.

OK, I'll guide for free! BUT............... will only take CP, CG, CMJ, Fosh, and.......um.........couple of others. I have standards, you know.

He said it is covered under code 24.08. Fish are considered wildlife ,and unlike a waterfowl guide where he only gets the ticket everyone fishing gets a ticket. He said they were going to rewrite it this coming year where it is easier to understand on the fishing side of it.

Interesting.

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Don't have to worry about me guiding there. This year I've sucked fishing Dardanelle. Even with the best of help. Thanks for the info, interesting to say the least.

knew a guy recently that guides bow fishing on dardanelle and got into some trouble with them using that same reasoning, the WMA thing

If it is covered under 24.08, that deals with the guiding of waterfowl on Commission owned lands and lakes. It is legal to guide for wildlife on a Commission owned properety or lake with the purchase of a $150 WMA Guide License. I don't see in the regulations where fish are specifically covered. That is probably a gray area that is under "officer's discretion".

CHAPTER 24.00 -WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT AREA MIGRATORY WATERFOWL
REGULATIONS
24.01 Migratory Waterfowl Hunting Access Time Restrictions on WMAs
24.02 Special Usage Restrictions on Certain WMAs and Lakes
24.03 Boat Motor Restrictions on Certain WMAs
24.04 Migratory Waterfowl Hunting Access Restrictions on WRAs
24.05 Leaving Waterfowl Decoys Overnight Prohibited on WMAs and WRAs
24.06 Hunting From Duck Blinds Prohibited on WMAs and Commission-Owned or Controlled Lakes
24.07 Waterfowl Shot Shell Restrictions for Certain WMAs
24.08 Guiding Prohibited on All Commission-Owned or Controlled WMAs and WRAs

Attachment 200284Where it says it is unlawful to take or a temp to take wildlife while guided on WMAs. He said the word wildlife covers fish, he said they were going to reword it next year so it clearly states fish since we are having a question about it

Man so exactly which lakes can a person guide on in arkansas?

Seems like a few people on here are just stirring the pot!!!!!!!!!:twocents

Any lake that is not a wma

I must be confused. How can it be illegal to be guided on a WMA when I can buy a guide license for a WMA to guide others??

Resident Special Hunting Guide License (GLS)
Entitles a resident to the same privileges as the GLH, plus the privilege to guide, aid or assist another person, for pay or other consideration, in taking any species of wildlife, except waterfowl, on all commission-owned or controlled WMAs, WDAs and WRAs. The GLS does not include hunting privileges. Proof of residency in the state of Arkansas for one year prior to the application date is required. Expiration date is June 30. 24.08 deals with the guiding on WMA's for waterfowl, not fishing.	$150.00	AGFC

I have no idea the warden they finally sent me to talk to forwarded that to me and said that is what covered it. I will forward this to him I hope you are rite I would love to be able to guide on it. Just can't afford to take the risk and get caught like they have done with some cause they didn't take it easy on them.

Does this include Conway?

I thought the water way was a COE owned waterway, The rule is poorly written, and hidden under a waterfowl Hunting reg. They sell you a Fishing Guide Lic and then put no rules how that fishing guide Lic is to be applied to areas. Think I would fight this one in court as it is not listed in the Fishing regulations. Maybe D-10 can chime in his thoughts on this.

I agree that this is confusing. This is the first that I have heard of this reg being applied to guiding for fish. When I get back to work next week, I will try to get some more information. In my opinion ( which isn't the one the counts), this regulation shouldn't apply to fishing. Something else to remember, there are WMAs on many AGFC lakes, including Conway, Harris Brake, Overcup, and Cargile in District 10. I am sure this is the case in the other districts as well.

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I thought the water way was a COE owned waterway, The rule is poorly written, and hidden under a waterfowl Hunting reg. They sell you a Fishing Guide Lic and then put no rules how that fishing guide Lic is to be applied to areas. Think I would fight this one in court as it is not listed in the Fishing regulations. Maybe D-10 can chime in his thoughts on this.

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Russ, according to www.agfc.com, the Dardanelle WMA boundries include all lands around the lake, islands, ... It does not include the water on this one. That's from reading the website and the way the boundries are defined for us to read.

You are correct Russ, the water is COE, not WMA

Now that I think about it, the are WMAs on all of the large Corps Reservoirs that I can think of.

Please see below. This is from Assistant chief of fisheries for the Arkansas Game and Fish.
There are no fishing guide regulations specific to Lake Dardanelle. I only
found 2 guide regulations that don't pertain to permit requirements. Code
27.04 prohibits transfer of trout to clients, and Code 32.02 exempts guides
from having a fish dealers license for providing bait for clients. If you
need any additional information please let me know.

Maybe there is some confusion somewhere?? Also the WMA is the area around the lake.

Jason

Guide's may also transfer fish they caught to a client as long as it does not exceed the client's daily limit for that species. Except for trout like stated above.

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Guide's may also transfer fish they caught to a client as long as it does not exceed the client's daily limit for that species. Except for trout like stated above.

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I read it just like the rest , as long as their limit not exceeded. But remember any fish you give away counts towards your limit too technically.

A guide may not give away his or her fish if it causes
the recipient to exceed his or her daily limit (Right from Trout book )

Something else to consider. Since Dardenelle is part of a navigatable waterway, you may need a captain's license to operate any boat that may have passengers (clients). One of our professional guide buddies on here had to go through all of that plus get a TWIC card to guide on Hamilton. It was required because of the Ducks. Been a couple of years. I don't know if it still applies. DP