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I fish dirty water 90% of the time. I do well with dark colors. The last time I cleaned fish they were full of grass shrimp. I am wondering if I would do better using silver or white to match the color of what they are already eating. I know when trout fishing up north we always matched the hatch for best results.
Makes sense to me Saute!, I always try to match the hatch if I can. I bought a jig from a guy today that he calls a "minner" jig and he fishes Calcasieu a lot, he said I would be back for more, says that is his best color. It is a grey/black sparkly colored jig. Gonna give it a try at Toledo and see if it will produce there too.
I have a handful of JD's jigs in sparkled silver I am going to try next trip.
Shadow I sent you a PM due to the forums advertizing rules.
Hey, send me the PM also:prayQuote:
Originally Posted by saute86
For me when I'm fishing dark water. Pinks, silvers, and chartreuse
Hey I saw the PM, but it wouldn't let me reply for some reason. That is a great store, Slab Hunter's (Randy) cousins own that store and are super nice every time I go in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by saute86
I had the pleasure of listening to Mr. JD in his shop many days. One of his standbys was grey, even in dirty water. I don't go anywhere without a grey on one rod. I like to use something with a lot of contrast as my plan B. Most of the time I reach for red and chartreuse. It's amazing how well those grass shrimp work! Before the hurricanes we had crappie in our pond at our camp and I could jig around my tops off the dock and sometimes catch and sometimes not. There was NEVER a time that I could put a grass shrimp on a hook and not get a bite!
Saute, here are some of the jigs (top 2 and lower right) I find work good when the slabs are hanging around grass beds feeding on shrimp. All have some sparkle bodies of different colors and a contrasting tail except for the pink on pink.
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/f...F50187BC62.jpg
Gene those look nice. Did you tie them?
Where can I get those little boxes for my jigs?Quote:
Originally Posted by PawPaw "gene"
The last time I had a bite going, I decided to change color every cast for a while. I eventually got tired of changing color. They would hit anything I threw. Contrast that with Saturday when i threw every color I had and got zero bites :lol:
that is interesting....I have always wondered do fish really prefer a certain color...ie, do you start catching fish because you changed color....or....do you just get to a spot that is holding fish....or... do the fish just start biting or is it the presentation....I believe if you are in a spot where the fish are and they are biting , then they will bite any color (including shiners)....no scientific data to back that up, JMO......JB Salter says "they are biting all the time, it's the contrast of colors on the jig, not the color".....Quote:
Originally Posted by PMantle
Saturday where I was(Indian lake) it appeared to be shiners or nothing. I fished all around a guy that was catching. Not one bite.Quote:
Originally Posted by prefers shiners
I use the same two or three colors all the time....That being said, I have a bag full of every color you can imagine......Blows my wife's mind.
jus tell her that's completely normal......Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiger
Tell her its like a shoe thing she will get the picture.....lol.
remarks like dat might get you your own personal sink to put fish in.......:)....oh wait...you musta said that already......JK saute......that was funny...I can think it any how....it just better not leave my lips:):):)Quote:
Originally Posted by saute86
Saute, yes I tie those myself. It's fun.
Lake Runner, I bought those off of ebay a few years ago. I have no idea where to buy more. They are actually fly boxes.
Linda is a color changer and I stick with what I have on my line. Sometime i use the same bait for 3 or 4 trips. Now I do have a few different poles with different baits that I use each trip. I can only remember one trip where they weren't hitting anything so I put on a deep purple hand tied jig and that was the only one they would hit. :dono
"gene"
I have been wanting to start making my own jigs. I looked at the prices of the tools and figured I could fill a tackle box with jigs for what the cost of a rotating vise, a few bobbins and materials to make jigs. I do plan to start soon. I have done research and watched some youtube videos and know I could make some nice jigs. I just don't have the time these days.
For jigs you really don't need a rotating vise. It's a nice thing to have but you can tie very nice jigs with a plain jane AA vice. Top of the line, heck no, far from it. Will it suffice for a beginner, heck yes. You can always upgrade later. I'm still using my AA. If I was tying to sell then a better vice would be needed but to tie a dozen or so jigs at a sitting it works out just fine. I've tied hundreds with mine and it's still going strong.
"gene"
here is a link to more that you need all in one package. Scroll down the page for many more deals.
Fly Tying Tool Kit 16 Piece w Chrome AA Vise New KT135 | eBay
I never thought to look on ebay. I looked online at tackle web sites and they were proud of their kits. Thanks for the info. I saw a kit with a rotating vise for a couple bucks more. Those are some good prices.
I like the greys too. Caught a lot of fish at yucatan on a grey ghost and a light dark grey hair jig. I also like a blue/grey there. When fishing tubes blue thunder, blue ice, blue grass and bayou booger and pop sickle have all done well there.
My 2 cents. Does color matter. Sure. Is it the end all. No. What I think matters much more than color is your confidence in that color. I primarily fish with 2 colors. Which are my go to colors. So I guess color matters or I would be using something different. But these are tried and true for me. If I'm catching fish on them no need to change. If I'm not I might change and normally have same results. Obviously their is many colors that work( some don't even make sense) so go with what you believe in. And when in doubt anything with chartreuse usually a good bet . And as for matching the hatch. We all do that a lot and then scratch or head when they bite on colors that don't exist in the wild. Case in point. When was the last time you saw a bubble gum worm swimming by? But bass sure do like them
I just remembered from when I was scuba certified many years ago that colors change once in the water. One of the first to washout is red. When the colors of the spectrum washout they turn different shades of grey. The water bends and filters the light the deeper you go and more colors turn to grey. This proves what was previously said about light and dark colors. Also purple is on the opposite side of the color spectrum and could be the last to lose its color.
Could that by why gray is such a great color.
"gene'
My all time favorite, Blue Ice, has a lot of grey.
I have always gone by this .... the clearer the water the more natural looking baits and colors I will use. It has to be more realistic because IMO they can see the lure better but that doesn't always apply. If the water is off colored stained, or muddy stick to colors that are darker or brighter such as black and chartreuse or electric chicken (pink / Chartreuse green) I personally find that they have better contrast in off colored water. I have been told also by some very avid fisherman that chartreuse is not chartreuse in murkier water....they claim it has more of a white hue ??? Not sure how true it is but that is the methods use. Nice jigs in the pictures fellas ...I would like to get my hands on some of those grass shrimp ones in a natural brown shrimp color. Great thread fellas!!!
If a lure company would come out with a small grass shrimp jig like a Voodoo Shrimp they would make a killing.
x1000 You are right man ! Only problem is they would be tough to pour and would be EXPENSIVEQuote:
Originally Posted by saute86
I do not want to know how much the fish I catch now cost me.....just saying, If those little boogers caught fish then "expensive" would be OK......Quote:
Originally Posted by Slabstacker19
I hear ya. If I deer hunted for the meat it would be cheaper to eat Kobe beef and lobster 3 meals a day.........:biggrin
I would be scared to figure the price of specklebelly meat per pound. Way more expensive and any steak you could buy, I promise.
I'd use grass shrimp if you want to take the time. As far as color,I use Black n chartreuse most of the time.HTH
I think presentation has as much to do with the bite as color, if not more so. Especially when there finicky. May be the prefer a totally still bait, falling at a certain speed or angle. I remember watching my dad load the boat once. Had the same bait, line type and size as him. Not a bite. After teaching me a lesson in humility he finally told me how he was doing it. He always uses a weedless hook. He would flip over an underwater limb and pull the bait right up to the limb and make it bump the limb 4-5 times, then he would pull it across the limb and let it fall. It wouldn't fall a foot and you'd see the slack go out of his line. Bam, in the boat. I tried it and started catching fish. You just never know what they're looking for.