Ulterra/ hummingbird setup?

I have Lowrance HDS gen 1 at console now and ram mount for bow with Lowrance power cord and 2d sonar on minn kota 70 PD I pilot. It'd be easier to get a Lowrance touch for bow with DI & 2d sonar for my setup now but I'm planning to get ulterra within next year for sure.

What or how would you setup your boat if it where yours and mainly long lining and spider rigging. I wanna add another FF but have hookups for it on bow and stern to swap ends when long lining. I have structure scan mounted on bottom stern of boat now for Lowrance HDS 10 gen 1 that's at console. Is that same structure scan compatible with hummingbird? If so I'm thinking have some model of bird "8-9 inch screen recommendations" that is like Lowrance touch series with DI transducer on TM for bow mount and use structure scan on stern when its mounted on stern for long lining. Im wanting the bird so it can be compatible with ulterra. Are the Lowrance units compatible with ulterra?? Are the birds wireless to communicate with ulterra?

I basically need a FF compatible with ulterra that atleast has 2d, DI for bow. SI would be nice if can use current structure scan on boat for stern.

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If you are talking about the Ulterra with an iPilot-Link, then your only option would be Humminbird. This would be a wired (Ethernet) connection.

The only touch screen units we have are the ONIX series which come in a 2D only or a Side Imaging/Down Imaging/2D versions. The 800/900/1100 series Side Imaging units can be set up with two transducers via a switch or, if you have more than one unit Ethernet connected, transducers can be shared.

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If you are talking about the Ulterra with an iPilot-Link, then your only option would be Humminbird. This would be a wired (Ethernet) connection.

The only touch screen units we have are the ONIX series which come in a 2D only or a Side Imaging/Down Imaging/2D versions. The 800/900/1100 series Side Imaging units can be set up with two transducers via a switch or, if you have more than one unit Ethernet connected, transducers can be shared.

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Doesn't have to be touch screen as much as I was looking for the built in structure scan for transducer on TM like Lowrance offers. Does hummingbird have a unit with transducer for TM that's 2d DI only ?

Will my lss2 transducer now work on all hummingbird models Ethernet connected?

Talked to Brian at bbg marine gonna get a hummingbird 1159 for ulterra 2d DI only.
Forgot to ask if onix had a 2d DI series only. Gonna be a month or longer looks like before can purchase ulterra. Maybe I can save up money by then. Lol

No your lss2 will not work on a Humminbird unit not without some sort of a custom adapter cable. Just an Ethernet connection will not allow this.

Yes, an ONIX unit can be set up as a 2D/DI sonar unit if that is what you want. The trolling motor transducer would be the XTM-14-DI-T.

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No your lss2 will not work on a Humminbird unit not without some sort of a custom adapter cable. Just an Ethernet connection will not allow this.

Yes, an ONIX unit can be set up as a 2D/DI sonar unit if that is what you want. The trolling motor transducer would be the XTM-14-DI-T.

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Is there an onix unit that's cheaper with 2d DI only?

There is an NT version of the onix that is $500 cheaper and doesn't have touch.........I have read that if you install Humminbirds all in one Onix transducer to the 2D only Onix, it will do 2D and DI.....But that wouldn't necessarily be supported by Humminbird since it isn't in their listed specifications.....

You could also use the 1159 HD DI model which would have 2D and DI only.....There is a $300 rebate on these right now. Humminbird 2015 National Rebate Promotions: 600, ONIX CT, ONIX NT and 999ciHD & 1199c

I don't think that we package them that way but Brian could confirm this.

Can you follow the contour on the I pilot link remote itself without a hummingbird at all?

Reason I ask is I really want Lowrance touch. I'm basically gonna have to have two birds Ethernet from bow to stern to work on one transducer on TM or two transducers one at each end to swap ends with unit.

First, you have the terminology a little wrong ...... The remote is not I pilot Link ....with the remote, it is only Ipilot..........It is only Ipilot link if connected to a Humminbird unit.

The Lakemaster mapping card v2 and the Humminbird unit work in conjunction with the Ipilot Link in the trolling motor to be able to follow the contour.......It requires all 3 things to work.

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First, you have the terminology a little wrong ...... The remote is not I pilot Link ....with the remote, it is only Ipilot..........It is only Ipilot link if connected to a Humminbird unit.

The Lakemaster mapping card v2 and the Humminbird unit work in conjunction with the Ipilot Link in the trolling motor to be able to follow the contour.......It requires all 3 things to work.

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That clears that up thanks! Was looking at I pilot link remote and its lot bigger. Thought the screen on remote might show map or something you could trace on it. Thanks.

I'm trying to figure out how to run one bird 859 on one transducer on TM and be able to switch ends for jigging or longlining.

Debating whether I'll be satisfied with bird when I want Lowrance touch. Mainly want ulterra for stow/deploy. I mainly just use cruise control on my power drive now set heading and go.

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First, you have the terminology a little wrong ...... The remote is not I pilot Link ....with the remote, it is only Ipilot..........It is only Ipilot link if connected to a Humminbird unit.

The Lakemaster mapping card v2 and the Humminbird unit work in conjunction with the Ipilot Link in the trolling motor to be able to follow the contour.......It requires all 3 things to work.

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Thats not entirely true, no it does not LINK to anything but the ILink remote is a complete different aninmal from the Ipilot remote. Will store and maintain twice as much as far as waypoints, tracks and anchor loks, has a much bigger screen and much easier to see on a brite day. No matter the depth finder I wouldnt want the Terrova or the Ulterra with out it being a LINK, hooked to your Birds is just icing on the cake!!!!:twocents

I think there is what the call a micro remote that is supported by new versions of the ipilot link software.

You could have a 2nd transducer mounted on the bow and another power cord and cable collector.....Then you could just unplug the unit and move it. You would also be set if you decide later to buy a 2nd unit.
You could also use a switch for the transducer to switch it to the other location if you didn't care which end of the boat the GPS and depth reading are coming from.

It would be a little more complicated if you wanted to have an Ipilot link and connect in 2 separate locations, but could be done with an Ethernet switch.

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Thats not entirely true, no it does not LINK to anything but the ILink remote is a complete different aninmal from the Ipilot remote. Will store and maintain twice as much as far as waypoints, tracks and anchor loks, has a much bigger screen and much easier to see on a brite day. No matter the depth finder I wouldnt want the Terrova or the Ulterra with out it being a LINK, hooked to your Birds is just icing on the cake!!!!:twocents

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It does require all 3 things for the follow the contour......I think that was his question.

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I think there is what the call a micro remote that is supported by new versions of the ipilot link software.

You could have a 2nd transducer mounted on the bow and another power cord and cable collector.....Then you could just unplug the unit and move it. You would also be set if you decide later to buy a 2nd unit.
You could also use a switch for the transducer to switch it to the other location if you didn't care which end of the boat the GPS and depth reading are coming from.

It would be a little more complicated if you wanted to have an Ipilot link and connect in 2 separate locations, but could be done with an Ethernet switch.

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The Ethernet switch is the answer I think to be able to link two locations "bow primary & stern" from one transducer and one bird.

Gps signal be great from bow of boat to stop on brush for jigging. The second location on stern of boat is just for a heads up on brush and shallow spots long lining. Easiest thing to do is buy two units Ethernet from bow to stern. Cheapest thing is Ethernet switch from TM transducer if I'm following you right?

Thanks again everyone! Sure I'll think of another question soon lol. So much to learn!!!!

No....The transducer is not an Ethernet device....The Ethernet switch would just be the easy way to share the Ipilot link to 2 locations....It is an Ethernet accessory.

To share the transducer from the bow to a different location, it would require a physical switch......Humminbird does make one, I would have to do a little research to find it........Having a separate transducer on the stern would be the way I would do it if I were going to move a unit between locations. The 859 has an internal GPS, so the GPS is not necessary.

I think most people get tired of moving a unit around, and there is the expense of extra power cables, transducers, etc.......It is possible to move the 859 between 2 locations, but I don't think I would do it.

Hope I haven't completely confused you ......but there are several variables here depending on whether you end up doing the Ipilot link or not.

I just order the micro control for the ipilot

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Originally Posted by BobB

No....The transducer is not an Ethernet device....The Ethernet switch would just be the easy way to share the Ipilot link to 2 locations....It is an Ethernet accessory.

To share the transducer from the bow to a different location, it would require a physical switch......Humminbird does make one, I would have to do a little research to find it........Having a separate transducer on the stern would be the way I would do it if I were going to move a unit between locations. The 859 has an internal GPS, so the GPS is not necessary.

I think most people get tired of moving a unit around, and there is the expense of extra power cables, transducers, etc.......It is possible to move the 859 between 2 locations, but I don't think I would do it.

Hope I haven't completely confused you ......but there are several variables here depending on whether you end up doing the Ipilot link or not.

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Makes good sense to me! I was basically trying to figure out how to get by with TM transducer for both location cause I have two transducer on stern already for HDS lss1 & sonar. Hate to drill anymore.

Do they make a extension cable for bird TM transducer I could run to stern? Guess I'd have to have Ethernet cord from ulterra to stern also to plug to bird for i pilot link to work? Then later if I had another bird I wouldn't need transducer cable to stern just Ethernet cord correct?

Will running two sonar one on stern and one on bow affect each other? Or could I run one sonar on each end?

Also I'm going I pilot link so I have it all to learn. I know easiest thing is to buy two units just gonna be awhile since buying ulterra also want one of the units to be a 1159.
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The US3 Unit Switch will allow you to switch one transducer between two units (or unit locations).
The EC-W10 is a ten-foot long transducer extension cable.

As for the running two sonar one on stern and one on bow affecting each other? The answer is probably. If both are using the same frequency there is a chance of sonar cross-talk between them which will change with water depth, bottom composition and a little luck. If it shows up on the Humminbird unit try turning on and up the Noise Filter menu.

If you want to be able to run the Ulterra from either the bow or the stern, you are also going to have to get the Ethernet connection to both places. I think the best way to do this is to have an Ethernet switch ( Humminbird | AS ETH 5PXG )set up at the console. You would run an the Ethernet for the Ulterra to it, an Ethernet for the bow unit, and an Ethernet for the stern or console location.

You also need to think about how you are going to do your power connections. I don't know what your boat has for onboard power wiring, but you don't want to use that for your power to your units. You want to set up your own power circuit tied directly to the cranking battery.
I would run 12 ga wire to a dedicated Bluesea 5025 fuse box under the console. The console or stern unit will wire straight to the 5025. I would use separate circuits from the 5025 to the bow unit and Ethernet switch, with a shutoff switch mounted to kill the Ethernet switch (you don't want it to run your battery down while sitting.) I would use 12 ga throughout.......That may seem like overkill, but you will have less voltage drop issues.....Actually I would probably use 10 ga to the blue sea and 12 for everything else.....but that's just me.
Put a 20 amp fuse in the hot wire close to the starting battery. The rest will be fused in the 5025 with appropriate fuses for the units and Ethernet switch.
When I run power wiring in my boat, I also make sure I use twisted pair wire. The twisted wire wire help eliminate interference from other sources. If you don't want to buy twisted wire, you can easily twist it yourself......just tie one end of the wires to something solid, chuck the other end into a drill, pull it tight and run the drill to twist the wires together.

The cost starts adding up to get the Ethernet and power and transducers to multiple locations.

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If you want to be able to run the Ulterra from either the bow or the stern, you are also going to have to get the Ethernet connection to both places. I think the best way to do this is to have an Ethernet switch ( Humminbird | AS ETH 5PXG )set up at the console. You would run an the Ethernet for the Ulterra to it, an Ethernet for the bow unit, and an Ethernet for the stern or console location.

You also need to think about how you are going to do your power connections. I don't know what your boat has for onboard power wiring, but you don't want to use that for your power to your units. You want to set up your own power circuit tied directly to the cranking battery.
I would run 12 ga wire to a dedicated Bluesea 5025 fuse box under the console. The console or stern unit will wire straight to the 5025. I would use separate circuits from the 5025 to the bow unit and Ethernet switch, with a shutoff switch mounted to kill the Ethernet switch (you don't want it to run your battery down while sitting.) I would use 12 ga throughout.......That may seem like overkill, but you will have less voltage drop issues.....Actually I would probably use 10 ga to the blue sea and 12 for everything else.....but that's just me.
Put a 20 amp fuse in the hot wire close to the starting battery. The rest will be fused in the 5025 with appropriate fuses for the units and Ethernet switch.
When I run power wiring in my boat, I also make sure I use twisted pair wire. The twisted wire wire help eliminate interference from other sources. If you don't want to buy twisted wire, you can easily twist it yourself......just tie one end of the wires to something solid, chuck the other end into a drill, pull it tight and run the drill to twist the wires together.

The cost starts adding up to get the Ethernet and power and transducers to multiple locations.

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What if I ran transducer cable to stern and Ethernet cable from ulterra to stern then power cord straight off battery with inline fuse all to 859 that work?

Then if I got another bird just just hook it to ulterra and transducer on bow. Then use Ethernet cord from bow 859 to stern 859?

I already have power cord for HDS on bow gonna swap ends out.

[QUOTE=TowboatTroller;2897848]What if I ran transducer cable to stern and Ethernet cable from ulterra to stern then power cord straight off battery with inline fuse all to 859 that work?
That would work if you are only going to have 1 unit.

Then if I got another bird just just hook it to ulterra and transducer on bow. Then use Ethernet cord from bow 859 to stern 859?
This is where the Ethernet becomes more complicated......The bow 859 only has one Ethernet connection. If you are going to connect it to the Ulterra directly, you won't be able to connect to anything else........in order to connect the Ethernet from the Ulterra to 2 different locations, you are going to have to have some way to connect multiple Ethernet connections.....That is where the switch comes in. I'm not sure if there are other ways to do this:scratchhead

I already have power cord for HDS on bow gonna swap ends out.
The main thing with the power is to have direct connection to the battery good connections. The forums are full of intermittent problems caused by poor power.

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What if I ran transducer cable to stern and Ethernet cable from ulterra to stern then power cord straight off battery with inline fuse all to 859 that work?
That would work if you are only going to have 1 unit.

Then if I got another bird just just hook it to ulterra and transducer on bow. Then use Ethernet cord from bow 859 to stern 859?
This is where the Ethernet becomes more complicated......The bow 859 only has one Ethernet connection. If you are going to connect it to the Ulterra directly, you won't be able to connect to anything else........in order to connect the Ethernet from the Ulterra to 2 different locations, you are going to have to have some way to connect multiple Ethernet connections.....That is where the switch comes in. I'm not sure if there are other ways to do this:scratchhead

I already have power cord for HDS on bow gonna swap ends out.
The main thing with the power is to have direct connection to the battery good connections. The forums are full of intermittent problems caused by poor power.

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Got you now. Thought the bird had a in and out Ethernet plug would make sense to have it that way seems.
a splitter would be nice off of ulterra one lead to each bird.

Does the 1159 have two Ethernet connections or another bird unit that's I pilot link compatible?

I will check power cord wire to make sure its big enough and direct to battery with in line fuse. Hope ulterra hooks right up from old minn kota PD hook ups.

All the Humminbird units only have 1 Ethernet connection.......Same with the I-pilot link........Only way to do multiple is with the 5 port switch.

See the Ethernet diagram at the beginning of this manual.....only add an Ethernet connection for the trolling motor I-pilot Link too the switch.... file:///C:/Users/Bob/Downloads/531951-2_A_ASETH5PX_IG.pdf

Didn't see manual on post.
I'll check the port switch out.

I should have realized you were thinking there was an in and out on the 859......It would be nice if you could "daisy chain" the Ethernet...But I don't think I have ever seen a computer or other Ethernet device that could do that.....If you have ever set up a home network, you have to have a common hub....either wired or wireless.

The other thing I would consider is making your stern unit a SI unit.....I wouldn't have a boat that wasn't set up with a LEAST on SI unit.

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I should have realized you were thinking there was an in and out on the 859......It would be nice if you could "daisy chain" the Ethernet...But I don't think I have ever seen a computer or other Ethernet device that could do that.....If you have ever set up a home network, you have to have a common hub....either wired or wireless.

The other thing I would consider is making your stern unit a SI unit.....I wouldn't have a boat that wasn't set up with a LEAST on SI unit.

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Yeah I have the HDS 10 at console with structure scan.

Looking at 5 port looks like the ticket!

For future people like me that don't know what a 5 port Ethernet switch is lol

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I should have realized you were thinking there was an in and out on the 859......It would be nice if you could "daisy chain" the Ethernet...But I don't think I have ever seen a computer or other Ethernet device that could do that.....If you have ever set up a home network, you have to have a common hub....either wired or wireless.

The other thing I would consider is making your stern unit a SI unit.....I wouldn't have a boat that wasn't set up with a LEAST on SI unit.

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After further reading I've learned more about waypoints and following contours. Thought I would just use stow and deploy and I pilot only. The more i read the more i like link. With this much money spent I want my console unit to be a bird for putting waypoints on other units. Be nice to pull up close to waypoint hit button trolling motor deploy and take you to it. Idk what to do with Lowrance HDS 10 now put on stern I guess. Will two different structure scan on stern interfere with each other?

Guess I could sale I pilot PD and HDS 10 but want bring what its worth I'm sure. Ideally I'd have 1199 at console 959 on stern 959 on bow.

Curious to how "which location" multiple birds will save waypoints with built in GPS? If I'm understanding it right the link will share it with I pilot putting bow on waypoint every time?

The Humminbird units sends the co-ordinates to the I-pilot ......The I-pilot has it's own GPS and uses it to navigate to the waypoint or track sent to it.

If you put an 1199 at the console, you would probably want to add an external GPS mounted as close to it's transducer as possible. This will give you the most accurate waypoint mark.....it would be good to make that one a Heading Sensor GPS.

The 959 at the stern wouldn't necessarily have to have a transducer if you had the 1199 transducer mounted there since once your network is complete you can share the transducers......You would even be able to view SI on the 959 thru the 1199.....Read more about the networking and you will see there is an extreme amount of flexibility with sharing data, transducer, GPS, Waypoints, etc.

It would probably also be a good idea to make the bow 959 a DI unit..... That way, you will also have a dedicated DI transducer for better DI clarity, and you would be able to share that on either of the other units.....The one on the stern could just be a 959 ci to save some money.