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It sure is funny to me to listen to all the complaints about Jordan being down the last 3 years and then they finally start biting again and people start sharing with the world and keeping all they can. I'm afraid will see jordan down again unless people wake up and stop hogging. Just my opinion. Please don't take this personal.
By "hogging" do you mean keeping the allowed limit that NCW has set?
I shared my experience and don't feel it will have any affect on me catching fish in the future. I'm confident enough with my fishing ability that I can catch some fish no matter.
I don't fish Jordan but maybe once or twice a year because I choose to fish other lakes. If I was Monk I would be posting a report every time I went because if the fish are biting, the cash register is ringing and something tells me that probably makes he and Mrs Monk happy. Shouldn't we all be happy?:twocents
There's a 20-fish limit per person and all keepers must be over 10 inches. Jessica Baumann, NC Wildlife biologist for Jordan Lake, believes that the limit and size are okay right now, provided there is an abundant food supply, primarily threadfin shad. At the meeting last Spring, Jessica was asked about a 12 inch minimum size and she did not think it necessary right now. Last Saturday I was fishing on Jordan around 5:00 in the afternoon when the wind almost completely stopped. It was amazing at the numbers of shad schools working the surface of the water, which is a very good sign for the crappie.
Every now and then word will get out about some folks keeping buckets of crappie, not caring about the size and limit of the fish. That's the time we need to be calling the game warden so he can fine these people. Most of the crappie folks I have met are good and decent people, but there are always those few.
there is a limit and RESPONSIBLE FISHERMAN will keep their limits, not HOGGERS!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by gobblespeck
Do you know why Jordan has been "Down". The threadfin shad died off due to extreme cold in 2011. There was not a lack of Crappie, as a matter of fact , there were too many Crappie for the food supply. By taking what the legal limit allows, the remaing Crappie to grow faster, larger, and are healthier, because the population has been reduced.Quote:
Originally Posted by gobblespeck
One large female can lay as many as 5,000 eggs. It is easy for a lake or pond to become over populated and the fish become stunted and over time genetically small.
Remember, what my Dad told me many years ago, "fish don't get big from biting a hook".
Monk
I find it hard to believe people catching their "limit" can start the decline of the Jordan crappie. I went trout fishing and caught my legal limit and I know others who caught their limits. I guess the trout population is about to go on a major decline. This past deer season I harvested my legal limit of deer. I put to use everything I take and I do it in a legal manner. It might be crappie, bass, trout, or deer, I am under the assumption the WRD set these limits for a reason. I appreciate reading peoples post about fishing and hope everyone has a great trip. If I am not fishing I enjoy reading about others great trips. For every "Limit" trip think how many people go and catch just a few. We all can't catch fish every time we hit the water so there is no need to be a chicken little and think the sky is falling. We are entitled to our opinion and this is mine.
As long as the catch is legal and not wasted...catch em and keep em! I know guys that catch hundreds of crappie each week year round, but they rarely keep any.
Limits are set for a reason and although I don't always agree with them, I figure the ones that set the limits know more about setting them than I do. The only thing I like better than catching them are eating them. So I try to get my limit every time I go. Doesn't always work out that way though.
Thoughts...
Have sales of fishing NC licenses increased over the past 3,5,10,20 years?
Have the number of crappie fishermen increased over the past 3.5.10,20 years?
My gut tells me that the quantity of fishermen has remained somewhat constant over the past 10 years or so, but w/the leaps in technology and decline in secrecy (C.com), the average yield/fisherman has increased. In other words, I feel like there a somewhat steady number of crappie fisherman more concentrated in the areas where C.com says they are biting (the illusion of more fishermen), and using their toys, they are more successful in harvesting fish from those spots (an minor increase in harvest).
The threadfins are abundant again. And no matter how many fishermen are catching their limits, they are only catching they predators...leaving more prey for fewer predators. Everyone is right here. However, 3 years ago, when the prey declined and the remaining predators were concentrated into a few acres of water, I feel that was a time when fishermen keeping 20 fish each (myself included) may have had a negative impact on the Jordan Lake fishery in the short term. But even then it's a market, and economy of sorts...where supply decreased, demand moved somewhere else (Harris).
What if we (the C.com Jordan Lake crew) donated $$ to stock threadfins into Jordan Lake? How much would that cost? Perhaps Jessica Bauman could give us a $ amount? While I feel the number of crappie fisherman is somewhat steady, we can all agree that the C.com community has EXPLODED in the past few years. We have enough sway to pull our tax funded Wildlife representatives to us...and they are listening to us.
Jeremy
IMO.......... many times the folks that talk negatively about others keeping their limit are many times bass fisherman that have moved over to other species..........
The bass fishing culture in many area's has developed a total disdain for folks that keep ANY bass to take home..........just sayin
Sometimes I don't think everyone that say they have limited out really did, not saying that are being untruthful, but if it's not in the boat can you really count it.
I seldom post on this site anymore for the following reason. For every hardworking crappie fisherman, who will get out on the lakes and find fish for themselves,(take time to put structure in, survey the lakes during the of season, try and develop a pattern of there own, etc.), there are 10 to 20 times as many lookers who just look at this and other sites and go where someone else has found the fish. So to the ones who want to give the exact location, water depth, depth that they are fishing, type of bait, etc. I say that is your right, but as for me, I prefer to give that kind of info to the true crappie fisherman, in a private post or other means. Not the Johnny come lately bunch.Quote:
Originally Posted by gobblespeck
I know this will make some of you happy, and it will not set well with some of you. But that is my filling on this matter. This may seam selfish to some of you, but I prefer to see a man rewarded for his hard work, and for those who are unwilling to work, tough luck. That is the way I look at life in general.
Ability to stock threadfin may also have to do with hatchery capacity - is there capacity in the hatchery to produce or are they full from growing other fish for stocking.
Why get worked up if someone catches a limit 2 or 3 times a week. They might just be helping a family out or the old man or woman down the street. Unless you confront them and make it your business to find out why don't try to work up the natives and riot. We all catch fish and give them away. We all catch fish and turn them back to the lake. If you are there every time a certain person or group is there ask them politely they may surprise you. I know three men who fish everyday and they catch a lot of fish here on Wylie but they keep a few and give the rest to neighbors and to a almost blind guy with kids. I know personally because I have fished with them. They have even given me the fish on occasions when I need a few. Not everyone is a bad person for keeping fish. I don't see it hogging them. :twocents
Larry--you make a good point and most people do not give away locations anymore. There are some community holes known by just everyone, but not specifics. I posted some pictures last week and Newly was kind enough to remove one of them because someone may recognize the background. I've given some guys spots to fish, but like you, it is either through PM, phone or in person. Way too many lurkers on here that want to just steal someone else's good fishing spot.
Well said Larry. I love fried crappie as much as anyone else. But with health care cost rising I try not to eat so much anymore. I know theres other ways to cook it but there is only one way it taste good to me. DEEP FRIED. And i know the state wildlife does what it can in surveying fish population and managing it but Im sure there on tight budget restrictions like any other state department. I wonder how much that handcuffs them in there assessment of the crappie? Where all glad Jordan is coming back around and its great reading the different opinions on how to keep it a great fishery. Tight lines to all.
ALL lakes have good and bad years, when it's good get all you want legally, when its bad remember the good times.
Do not believe the hatchery is full from growing other fish. What else are they stocking? Trout? Ask the Trout fishermen. Strippers? Ask the Stripper fihermen. Hybrids?Quote:
Originally Posted by todobien
The problem with growing Threadfin Shad in a hatchery is birds! They flock in and eat them in shallow ponds.
Jordan Lake is "fertile" and will produce an abundance of Shad if left alone. I am not sure if the Solar Bee program is good for the Shad.
Monk
y[QUOTE=llcallahan;2818052]I seldom post on this site anymore for the following reason. For every hardworking crappie fisherman, who will get out on the lakes and find fish for themselves,(take time to put structure in, survey the lakes during the of season, try and develop a pattern of there own, etc.), there are 10 to 20 times as many lookers who just look at this and other sites and go where someone else has found the fish. So to the ones who want to give the exact location, water depth, depth that they are fishing, type of bait, etc. I say that is your right, but as for me, I prefer to give that kind of info to the true crappie fisherman, in a private post or other means. Not the Johnny come lately bunch.
I know this will make some of you happy, and it will not set well with some of you. But that is my filling on this matter. This may seam selfish to some of you, but I prefer to see a man rewarded for his hard work, and for those who are unwilling to work, tough luck. That is the way I look at life in general.
Easily the post of the year for me !
This is always a heated topic. I myself don't post as many specifics anymore. Most of you know I will tell what I know in pm or text. Once someone finds out your spot they will do what they can to get em all. I've learned this first hand. I've was back stabbed by a well know fisherman in a situation. I have been very reserved in who I tell what anymore because of this.
It will be interesting to see how Jordan is the next couple years again. This is how it was when they were on the rocks for easy pickings then not many reports and Harris got fished a lot. Just my opinion.
Everyone keep on fishing Jordan. Ill continue to catch 2lb slabs on a consistant basis on Wylie ;)
Newly, ill keep you in that "inner circle" ;)
Where exactly are you catching them? What depth and color?:deadhorseQuote:
Originally Posted by pete
Although I don't speak in the negative about people fishing in a legal manner, I do suffer from the catch and release syndrome. I feel guilty about keeping fish, to put it plainly. Before I got a boat and into bass fishing, I fished to eat ( from the bank and off docks). Started bass fishing and my inner Bill Dance took over and I started releasing almost everything. I will think about this the next time I fish, if I am lucky enough to be offered a harvest.Quote:
Originally Posted by midcarolina
In the meantime, roll 'em in cornmeal and drop 'em when the grease is hot, as long as they're big enough to stink up the grease.
Actually having only 2 warmwater fish hatcheries does greatly limit what kinds of fish and how many fish WRC can grow. There are also 3 trout hatcheries of varying size for what is a put and take fishery….and most are taken shortly after being put out or disperse very widely in the stream. There is 1 coolwater for walleye, muskies and smallmouth.
You nailed it when you said that the lakes should be able to take care of themselves if managed correctly and water quality is ok. Natural weather events like we had on Jordan happen and lakes recover over time and a iittle quicker with a little help.
A dilemma I deal with is whether to kill every white perch I catch or not. They are eating machines and have really hammered the white bass and compete heavily with other fish I like to catch more. I know several old time fish biologists that I greatly respect have said kill them all!
Have the cormorants whitewashed the solar bees yet?
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Originally Posted by Crewmax42
I will tell you what I disagree with and I hope I don't get hammered to bad for this......... professional guides and their paying customers having the same creel limits as any joe blow..........
I was just watching an episode of Oneal outside the other day he was catfishing in Santee Cooper the guide was talking about his clients catching 400lbs average on almost every trip. That IMO is what hurts a fishery...... I think the limit should be drastically reduced for guide services...........
Guides provide a valuable service, One can learn a whole lot from going on a trip with a good guide.......... But a paid pro should have reduced limits for his clients because he does have a distinct advantage over most everyone.............
Santee Cooper lakes have 325 lbs of fish per acre! Multiply 325 X 160,000 acres of water and you will believe that you can remove a lot fish that will not hurt the total population.
Monk
So that's why they reduced the blue cat limit to one over 36"................ 325lb of fish can mean anything that has gills and swims............Quote:
Originally Posted by monkscrappie