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I read mostly about people using Matzuo black-chrome sickle hooks. What about the bronze ones? #2 bronze tend to run about $15 less per 1000 around here compared to the black-chrome. I have use Eagle Claw 570M bronze Aberdeen in the past with success. I just have never tried any Matzuo products yet. They always just looked cheap in that packaging.
This is just my experience, others may be different. The bronze I used early on we're real bad to rust and corrode. The Red had a problem with breaking right where they came out of lead head and like the pictures FatMan posted they were very ireagular. I have found the Black chrome to be more uniform,stronger,sharper and no rusting. Here is the best place to buy hooks I have found.
Captain Hook's Discount Warehouse
Thanks for the link cray! That price isn't far off what I can get the bronze for locally. I guess it would be worth paying for shipping since there has been so much trouble with the other colors.
My Wife has been having the ijnjections a couple X yearly for the last 6 years and has been very happy with the results. The same Dr looked at my knee and said dont waste your time, not gonna work, time for a new knee. From her experience, she gets the injections is sore 2-3 days then life is good again for several months.
Good luck and hope it works for you. Several friends have tried them and for some they work and others they do not. Hope you are one where they are sucessful
I like either the black or gold. Matzuo still seems to have dimensional issues the the eye and leg from bend to eye. The hooks are sharp and a bit bigger (hook gap) than standard EC or Mustad so you may need to provide some mold relief for the hook point. I never had a breaking issue but did have a lot of off location or incomplete eyes with a few batches,
I've only heard about the problems that happened with the red ones, the ones I had never had any problems. The regular bronze I've never tried so others will have to chime in on those.
The only problem I had with the black chrome were #4's, they would break off at the bend inside a jig head, but Matzuo was excellent and replaced the original 1000 and sent me an extra 1000 for my trouble, They have fixed the problem with the 4's. My 2's and 6's I've not had any problem with. Now I still have a LOT of old stock mustad and eagle claw aberdeen hooks and still use them.
Thanks for the tip!Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckeyeKdog
Yeah Captain Hook is just a bit cheaper than Crazy Angler.
I have never had any trouble with any color of their hooks other than some are formed wrong, maybe 1 in 100 hooks.
The Bronze ones were the first to have heat treat problems and I even broke a bunch of them while just tying them. So it the thread will break a hook, I know the fish can! Also the rusting trouble with the Bronze ones and not just their brand, I like Black Chrome ones best as they don't rust easy and I just like them better.
as for the hooks, their sharpness is unsurpassed unless you go to a Gamakatsu or Owner and they will cost you a ton more. I love Gamakatsu hooks, but for crappie jig hooks there is no competition in my mind due to cost of a super sharp hook that doesn't dull easy at all!
I can only add that I think the unusable defects count is well under 10 per 1000 present day. You typically get 6 to 10 extra in each 1000 count box. Most of my molds have been modified to handle the "longer to the eye shanks". As for the bronze vs black chrome, I prefer the black chrome. BUT, I think that the reason is that I used the black chrome 1st.
I knew the hook was popular. I just didn't realize anyone kept track of how many hooks out of a thousand they broke. You guys are serious! I know a lot of you are in the business though, so I guess it makes since.
Let me add, that on the first batch that was bad, I got way more than 10 in 1000 breaking and was more like 10 of every 50 to 100 would actually break when tying them! It's not been that bad since then even when they had that last bad bunch, but that batch was caught early enough for me not to get any of them. The other things you see I have never seen on hooks, like the barb on the wrong side of the hook, or the eye not closed, or no point. But these are not near as many as before now.
Wow. That I have never seen!Quote:
Originally Posted by skiptomylu
I pour 3/0 and 4/0 in 3/4 oz for walleye fishing in fast current. The prefered hook is "Matzuo Sickle Hooks". I buy all my hooks from Capt Hooks. They seem to have the best discount when purchasing 1000 or more.
Like others have said, they do have the production issue when it comes to consistancy. In fact, I have purchased 3/0 and 4/0 and had them both the exact same length but different hook gaps (4/0 is usually longer).
Again, like others have said, they had issues when they first came out. What we saw with the 3/0 and 4/0 was breakage right at the bend (or "V") of the hook. This was with the red hook.
I built and sold thousands last year and never had anyone tell me of a breakage this year so they must be on to something. I just poured 900 in the last couple of weeks (all in red) in the hopes to have enough made to seel for next spring.
Occasionally, I do have a twist a hook or two to line them up, and like others, I've had to relieve my mold a little bit because the hooks seems to stand to proud to one side of the mold causing lead to not completely pass down to the bait keeper.
I just bought a new batch of the bronze one with no problems yet..i did get caught with the blk nickel batch (#4's)only, that would break at the eye or at the shank...with all the problems I have had...with them...they still are the sharpest hook I've found to date to fit the price per 1000....I do know Eagle claw is working on one (wide gap)...waiting for that hook to come out?
I had one batch of 100 reds last year that at least half had barb on wrong side.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saltine
Cray, Maybe Matzuo knows about some "reverse" jigging technique that we are not aware of? :dono
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Originally Posted by wicklundrh
:Rofl :HandsClapping
:Rofl:Rofl sad part is I didn't figure it out until I had poured a bunch of them. So I went ahead and painted them and use them. They still catch fish since it was perfectly formed. A first it puzzeled me as to how it could happen, then it dawned on me that making the hook point and barb have to be two seperate steps and some how they were getting placed in the machine wrong before the went to the bender.Quote:
Originally Posted by wicklundrh
Skilled labor isn't as skilled in some parts of the world.:RoflQuote:
Originally Posted by cray
I only notice it because I pour LOTS of heads over periods of time. It's not an OCD problem but I just don't want to send inferior hooks out the door.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saltine