can someone post or send me a pics of how you rig crank baits for "pushing" I am mostly interested in the type of weight, weight placement, and depth/speed Thx been experimenting on local lakes but thought I would ask the experts :)
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can someone post or send me a pics of how you rig crank baits for "pushing" I am mostly interested in the type of weight, weight placement, and depth/speed Thx been experimenting on local lakes but thought I would ask the experts :)
I'm not sure how to post pics off my iPad, but I'll tell you how. I use a 3oz inline sinker with about a 2ft leader from the sinker to the crank. My speed and depth vary day to day, but usually between .9 mph to 2.5 mph. I usually run different depths until they start hitting at a certain depth then change my depths around where they're biting. You can determine your depth by dividing your amount of line out by 2, if your line is at a 45 degree angle.
Thanks .. so a bell sinker on main line in front of a swivel tied to a leader then to the crank bait would work. This is the set up I use but I am using a lighter weight 1/2 to 3/4 ounce. This is maybe why I'm getting small fish (crank bait not deep enough) I will try 2 and 3 ounce lead next time. Thanks for the insight... :)
Most conditions a 3 oz. is just right
Here's a pic of the inline trolling weights we use.
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I use Scotts work like a charm! His depth chart is most valuable.
do you use a quick snap on the line to crank so you can swap out fast or tie direct to the line?
I use a swivel with a snap
When does pushing become pulling? I think at a 45 you are there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duckslayer19
Pushing you control depth with the sinker.....pulling you control depth by length of line out and speed and no sinker
Far from it. If you were pulling with 100 ft of line out at a 45 degree angle you would be 50 ft deep! I usually stick with 20ft of line out= about 10 ft deep. Make adjustments as needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by larryb227
I am pretty sure us fishermen made up all these terms so it is mostly up to interpretation as to what you call it. We always called long lining trolling until someone coined the new phrase.
I think its like 2/3 of the line out is the depth. So with15ft. of line you will be at 10 ft.
Think that would put it about 70 ft. deepQuote:
Originally Posted by Duckslayer19
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Here is what I'm watching while I'm pushing cranks.I'm also watching my 2 GPS units on the bow and console with maps on the the 898 and map/DI on the 788 up front. I typically pull up to 8 baits but I'm always going to have at least 2 baits off the sides---pushing. My set-up is 5 oz weights like ScottV showed. I use a 3 foot leader with a 100 Bandit or similar shallow runner crank. I set these baits up in the holders so they show up on my 510C as the horizontal lines. 2 baits/2 lines. 4 baits/4 lines. I may not know 100% which bait is which but I can quickly adjust the depth so I know for sure. By watching those lines, I can tell what depth my weight is running. I know the bait is running a foot or so below the level of the weight. On a typical trip, I will catch 1/2 or more of my keepers on my drop rods. With the 5 oz weights, my line is almost straight up and down and many times I don't detect a bite, just see the angle of the line change to 45% or more.
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Originally Posted by "G"
A(squared) + b(squared) = C(squared) That would make 70 feet pretty close, maybe 70.5
Where is the transducer for the 510?Quote:
Originally Posted by mrdux
On the transom. I don't put my droppers up front. They are on the sides near the console area, 2/3 of the way to the rear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rees Guide
The same thing could be done with the droppers up front and using the US2 in the Terrova.
That's what I was seeing the other day on mine, got 2 short poles that I push with and was seeing the lines from them using a 3oz weight, mine are prolly 2/3 they way to the front off the side at a 45 degree angle, lines were as velar as yours but that would be because the weight is smaller.
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You're right Wilber, as long as your line is going down and back at a 45 degree angle, the weight itself will be at a depth of 2/3 of the amount of line let out. With a Bandit 300, I'd figure one more ft of depth for the crankbait. Look at the "right triangle".Quote:
Originally Posted by wilbur
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As long as your line is going down at 45 degrees, this formula works. As you speed up or have more line out to drag in the water, your angle decreases. Then you would need to use more weight for the formula to work.
Big help guys!
WOW a 4 oz weight for crappie - well I am going to BPS today and purchase a few 2,3,4 oz and try pushing this weekend! Thanks for all the help, maybe I can get out of all the dinks and into some bigger fish.
WOW so the two horizontal lines are your crankbaits! That is cool.. I have a Lowrance Elite 7HD and a Elite 5 at the bow and have never seen my baits on the graph/s, apparently I have a lot to learn about using my electronics! Cool picture and explanation!
The lines are my 5 oz weights but i know my cranks are running about 3 feet behind and a foot below those lines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wade2131
You're right. It is 2/3 at 45 degrees, I don't know what I was thinking. Guess it's been to long since I've done any geometry lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by wilbur
The only thing better than pushing or pulling crainkbaits - is doing both at the same time!
What rods are you using to troll with the 5 oz weights?Quote:
Originally Posted by mrdux
We had a blast doing that last summer. We slayed em didn't we budro? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by blackfish
I just got home from Okatibbee pushing and pulling cranks this morning. As with yesterday, we caught at least 75% of our fish on our 4 push poles as compared to the 4 pull poles. We had the chartreuse Arkie cranks on the push poles with the 3oz trolling weights. We caught over 100 fish and had 17 keepers. The dinks are out in force on Okatibbee this year.
The whole lake should have sore mouths by now!Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottV
Ha Ha, we're educating a lot of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Up2Early
bait size catching more? smaller bait allows smaller bites??
I think the smaller crankbait is getting more bites than the larger Bandit but most of our larger keepers are also on the Arkies. We are catching the small fish on the Bandits that we're pulling also. We just had a heck of a spawn a couple of years ago apparently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gomer Snerd
Hey ScottV, I want to buy some of those weights. Where did you get them?
He sells them!!Quote:
Originally Posted by knightshadow10
This is what I use. Just clip on the eye swivel of your leader.
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So, has anyone tried using a dipsy diver instead of weight?
I've just recently started using the tad poleAttachment 167259
Yeah, Those tad poles looked interesting too.......do they get you down better with less weight?Quote:
Originally Posted by martyrm