D10......An Enhanced DNA Question

D10.....

My mind works in funny ways when I'm sitting on a hot fishing hole.........meaning hot weather, and no bites!!

I remember the size that chickens used to be. Now? Dang things are huge. Hardee's even has the funniest commercial ever about HUGE chicken breasts. And they are!! Some of the breasts I see for sale at Kroger's would have to come off of 3 foot high chickens.

Pigs, same way......but usually different. Leaner, less fat meat.

Cows, etc etc etc...

What happened? DNA Enhancement happened, that's what. It's even in vegetables. Insect resistant. Bigger.

So......why not fish? Is anyone doing it? Why not 8 lb crappie? Or 4 lb crappie with a bream strain that makes 'em eat crickets and worms and fight like an MMA champion? Dang, it'd take an "E" piano wire to land 'em.

But seriously, are there any efforts anywhere to genetically enhance any game fish????

It is there in Salmon, Carp and Catfish in the way of hybrid crosses anf tripaloids. Even F1 strain of Large Mouth Bass ( first cross between (Northern / Florida LM Bass) Mean Mouth Bass (Spotted / Small Mouth Bass). Wipers (Striper/ White Bass) Saugeye (Sauger / Walleye) Hybrid Catfish (Blue / Channel). But many are limited to certain water because of gene pool containation.

OK. Those are cross breeds. That's not exactly the same as injecting specific DNA into a living organism to add/delete certain characteristics. Crossbreeding could be done, I guess (?), at fish hatcheries, etc. DNA modification would have to be a laboratory issue, I think (?).

More about this that I do not know, that I do.........but it's done on other animals, just wondered why not fish?

You need to find something to do, you have way tooooooo much time on your hands.

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Originally Posted by Buckrub

OK. Those are cross breeds. That's not exactly the same as injecting specific DNA into a living organism to add/delete certain characteristics. Crossbreeding could be done, I guess (?), at fish hatcheries, etc. DNA modification would have to be a laboratory issue, I think (?).

More about this that I do not know, that I do.........but it's done on other animals, just wondered why not fish?

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I know tripaloids (Salmon , carp, Trout ) are modified in the lab.

http://sustainablefishfarming.blogsp...nd-reduce.html

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/...anyone-buy-it/

Hmmm. Interesting stuff.

I just thought of all this, and know nothing. Just wondering if it's done, and if not, why not?

Man the fish need to start biting!!!

I am not aware of any genetic medication going on in Arkansas. I'm not sure that would be a good idea. As with many thing in nature, they were created that way for a reason. Often times when man starts screwing with things too much, it has unintended consequences. Some times a positive outcome will occur, but this is not always the case.

Good point. I wasn't pro or con on it.......just curious if it was being done or not.

Buck rub, it's not being done because there is not money behind it like there is in the poultry industry (100s of billions of dollars per year). I agree with Matt (D10), that even if we could, it would more likely be bad than good. I personally choose not to eat a lot of the mass produced good available today just because I don't think anyone knows if it's really safe or not.

I'm all against genetic modification of anything, especially stuff we eat, and double that for our sacred crappie. I think God made them the way they are for a reason & we shouldn't mess with that. You can't put that genie back in the bottle once it's out. Just get the habitat to the point that they max out on their own natural potential and be happy to catch the heck out of em. Just my opinion.

Not " in the loop " on GM with animals, but as a farmer, i can tell you, we would be in a world of hurt without GM seeds such as Round-up ready beans and corn, especially the smaller to mid size farmers, it would cost so much to keep weeds and grasses down that you wouldnt be able to afford the end product.

Those DNA injected animals/plants are refered to as GMO's... Geneticaly Modified Organisms. There is not enough data to say they are safe or not safe in my opinion. I think waht you are refereing to in your original post is a breeding program to enhance growth in fish. The Aquaculture industry is doing that presently, but not with crappie that I know of. There is some work being done with triploid (sterile) crappie though. Mostly the breeding program is for fish that are grown on a farm, and the farmer is not going to be letting that fish go, just the offspring. The breeding programs are expensive, and long term projects.

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Originally Posted by NIMROD

It is there in Salmon, Carp and Catfish in the way of hybrid crosses anf tripaloids. Even F1 strain of Large Mouth Bass ( first cross between (Northern / Florida LM Bass) Mean Mouth Bass (Spotted / Small Mouth Bass). Wipers (Striper/ White Bass) Saugeye (Sauger / Walleye) Hybrid Catfish (Blue / Channel). But many are limited to certain water because of gene pool containation.

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Striper/whtie bass = Hybrid striped bass and depending on which cross, they are called sunshine (female white x male striper) or palmetto bass (male white x female striper)

The main problem with a breeding program for fish is the vast genetic diversity in them. For instance you take a cow over her life time and breed to the same bull. In more cases than not you will have a very similar crop of calves. Now you take one fish milk the eggs and fertize them with 1 male. The outcome will be very different. You may have 10% or less exhibiting the desirable characteristics and a 1000 brother and sisters that do not. This is what makes a quality breeding program for fish very difficult.

Then you would have to take the 90% and stock them in Poinsett (you would not want to spoil RCC) and take the quality fish and put them in Conway.

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Originally Posted by Kmag yo yo

I'm all against genetic modification of anything, especially stuff we eat, and double that for our sacred crappie. I think God made them the way they are for a reason & we shouldn't mess with that. You can't put that genie back in the bottle once it's out. Just get the habitat to the point that they max out on their own natural potential and be happy to catch the heck out of em. Just my opinion.

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Rather see them spend the money they would spend on genetic modification on improving fisheries and habitat and stocking. Just my:twocents

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Originally Posted by mdperson

You may have 10% or less exhibiting the desirable characteristics and a 1000 brother and sisters that do not. This is what makes a quality breeding program for fish very difficult.

Then you would have to take the 90% and stock them in Poinsett (you would not want to spoil RCC) and take the quality fish and put them in Conway.

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Thanks Michael. As long as they still taste like crappie I think I can figure out what to do with the defective 90%:Rofl

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if Tyson food can figure out a way to sell them it will no be long