Global Warming Fact.

The Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from Consulafft, at Bergen, Norway


Reports from fishermen, seal hunters, and explorers all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone. Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes.

Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm. Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared.

Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds. Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea will rise and make most coastal cities uninhabitable.

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I apologize, I neglected to mention that this report was from November 2, 1922, as reported by the AP and published in The Washington Post - 90+ years ago. But then the UN wasn't around to turn it into a global crisis!
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Darn that pesky global warming.......................

Allow me to spin this.
Global warming is happening. Mucho hot air being spewed by humans, not from the atmosphere.

Bovine flatulence.

Good one Cane Pole thanks.....:HandsClapping

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Good one Cane Pole thanks.....:HandsClapping

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"Amen".

in the middle of summer on the lake, no breeze, lots of sunshine I am sure there is global warming.

The only global warming is the hot air coming out of Washington DC....LOL

Then don`t compare satellite pictures of the Greenland ice cap from 1980 and now, more than 1/4th of it has completely disappeared. btw in the last 3 months several ice REGIONS (they are far too HUGE to be called `ice bergs` ) have calved from the Ross Ice sheet. 1 is 6X the size of the state of Montana, the other is as big as Texas and California combined. Both were estimated at almost 1 mile thick, but as they drift away from Antartica they should both completely melt within about 3 yrs. And NOAA is predicting sometime next yr another ice REGION 2X the size of Alaska will join them ! (wonder how many gallons of water that is?) Global warming is as false as the idea that breathing the air in downtown Bejing is bad for your kid`s health...

Antarctic polar ice extent has set another new record, defying alarmist global warming claims. Surpassing the greatest month-of-April ice extent in recorded history, the new record throws cold water on alarmist claims that the Antarctic ice cap has crossed a melting point of no return.
The most recent Antarctic ice sheet alarm began with a paper examining a particular glacier in West Antarctica that “has long been considered prone to instability.” The paper speculates that a collapse of this particular glacier is unavoidable, though it will not actually collapse for at least a couple centuries and possibly not until 2900 AD.
Notably, while the majority of Antarctica is getting colder and the Southern Hemisphere polar ice cap is expanding, West Antarctica is a smaller portion of the continent that is experiencing modest warming. Taking advantage of this outlier trend in a smaller portion of the continent, the media has a history of highlighting modest warming in West Antarctica or a small retraction of West Antarctic sea ice and claiming this is caused by global warming and representative of Antarctica as a whole.
Global warming alarmists and their media allies are at it again. The Los Angeles Times published a story titled, “Irreversible collapse of Antarctic glaciers has begun, studies say.” The Seattle Post-Intelligencer weighed in with, “How Washington coastal cities will look when the Antarctic Ice Sheet melts.” The Christian Science Monitor published a story titled, “Catastrophic collapse of Antarctic ice sheet now underway, say scientists.”
The good news, beyond the less-than-alarming truth about the paper’s findings, is observations show Antarctic ice extent is undergoing a long-term expansion. Alarmists try to scare people into believing a “catastrophic collapse of Antarctic ice sheet [is] now underway” at the very time that the Antarctic ice extent is setting record after record.
It’s not just the Antarctic, either. Precise satellite measurements of both polar ice caps show no decline in polar ice since the satellite instruments were launched in 1979. Not only is total polar ice extent currently greater than the long-term average; polar ice extent has been greater than the long-term average for nearly all of the past 16 months.

My proof comes from Landsat and Google Earth and the newly established People`s Republic Of China`s Air Quality Monitoring System. May I inquire where yours if from Strmwalker ? Mark Rubio perhaps? (Politifact recently gave him an "Untrue " rating on his comments completely denying global warming...)

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My proof comes from Landsat and Google Earth and the newly established People`s Republic Of China`s Air Quality Monitoring System. May I inquire where yours if from Strmwalker ? Mark Rubio perhaps? (Politifact recently gave him an "Untrue " rating on his comments completely denying global warming...)

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its never fails with you , you can't stay on topic for nothing its amazing how you twist everything off topic If someone does not see things your way !!!! and by the way you have no proof !!! my information comes from Forbes !!!

Can't beat the commies for good solid science.

Yep, there's NO propaganda out of China!

I had ice in the glass of tea next to my bed, woke up this morning and ice was gone?

Coincidence??????

Yep my ice melted last night also. I wonder if I can get a gov grant to study this problem?

Kinda puts me in mind of Cane pole`s comments about the EPA...now China of all places has a much weaker version. Wonder how much `good` it will do them ? Don`t worry though am certain the Commies and the World Health Organization as just lying at least about how bad the air quality is in downtown Bejing...probably to attract more tourists who will also lie about it, when it`s actually quite healthy. My guess as far as the polar melting, give it another 10 yrs and buy up as much Miami, New Orleans and Venice Italy real estate as possible before then...

Raise your hands if you want a closed door conversation on this transparent topic..........LOL

In the end it will be our grandkids and history who decides whom was `correct`. After all, there have been many dire `warnings` about all kinds of things; dioxins, PCBs, DDT, launching a space shuttle in extreme cold weather...they were all proven `incorrect`, right ? Of course, by then it will also be a little too late to do anything about it, so why argue or worry it, right ? Everything`s JUST FINE...

We used to have a saying down here in akansas about the changes from hot to cold to hot to cold...

Lets see, what was that we called it.....

oh yea,....... WEATHER.

Buddy of mine explained how all the cars on the road were causing this. he drives a Prius!
i call BS.
he swears the oceans are going to rise, and we are all doomed.
I call BS.
I drive a Tahoe....11 inches of ground clearance. He drives a Prius....2.5 inches of clearance.
If i'm right and he's wrong... no harm no foul... if he's right and i'm wrong... and the water really does rise... well, i'll take my ground clearance!
:Rofl:Rofl:Rofl:Rofl
:fish

I was thinking about selling the house and moving to the beach, but by what I'm reading, I'm thinking we may have beach front property here in Arkansas in a couple years. I guess I'll hold out and see what happens. Come on global warming.

At what point should I be putting stake beds out for tuna in the front yard?

Just plant your tomatoes in clusters, and stake them up that way. when the water rises, hey, instant stake bed!

I would suggest this 2 hr. video titled A Critique of Climate Change Science and Policy as time well spent for those seeking some greater depth and understanding on this issue.


From this site "It is now widely believed that man-made greenhouse gases are causing an unnatural warming of the earth that will have devastating consequences for human life. Environmentalists and politicians are pressing for severe restrictions on greenhouse gas emissions in order to prevent climate change. But what does the scientific evidence actually support regarding the causes of climate variability and the role of anthropogenic greenhouse gases? Are the predictions of catastrophic changes supported by scientific fact? Are governmental economic intervention and restrictions on emissions an appropriate policy response? Drs. Keith Lockitch and Willie Soon address these critical issues and answer audience questions in a lively panel discussion. (Recorded April 13, 2009.)"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbAUBCo06Sw

In the beginning I found listening to Dr. Soon as some what trying but did find him logical and compelling on this issue IMHO.

you forgot agent orange

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In the end it will be our grandkids and history who decides whom was `correct`. After all, there have been many dire `warnings` about all kinds of things; dioxins, PCBs, DDT, launching a space shuttle in extreme cold weather...they were all proven `incorrect`, right ? Of course, by then it will also be a little too late to do anything about it, so why argue or worry it, right ? Everything`s JUST FINE...

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thanks fishingpox, knew there was something I was forgetting...

I can send you some in a cup. My cup day at VA is this Friday.

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Originally Posted by Lowellhturner

In the end it will be our grandkids and history who decides whom was `correct`. After all, there have been many dire `warnings` about all kinds of things; dioxins, PCBs, DDT, launching a space shuttle in extreme cold weather...they were all proven `incorrect`, right ? Of course, by then it will also be a little too late to do anything about it, so why argue or worry it, right ? Everything`s JUST FINE...

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I hate to take this further off topic from the original post. But.....aren't we being a bit selective about what we will leave our Grandkids? What about the national debt? I think that is a more sensible and achievable project than the polar ice caps. DP

Wonder of wonders so many opinions, it would be truly appreciated if rather than sad attempts at humor actual scientific articles from reputable scientific journals would be referenced.

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Antarctic polar ice extent has set another new record, defying alarmist global warming claims. Surpassing the greatest month-of-April ice extent in recorded history, the new record throws cold water on alarmist claims that the Antarctic ice cap has crossed a melting point of no return.
The most recent Antarctic ice sheet alarm began with a paper examining a particular glacier in West Antarctica that “has long been considered prone to instability.” The paper speculates that a collapse of this particular glacier is unavoidable, though it will not actually collapse for at least a couple centuries and possibly not until 2900 AD.
Notably, while the majority of Antarctica is getting colder and the Southern Hemisphere polar ice cap is expanding, West Antarctica is a smaller portion of the continent that is experiencing modest warming. Taking advantage of this outlier trend in a smaller portion of the continent, the media has a history of highlighting modest warming in West Antarctica or a small retraction of West Antarctic sea ice and claiming this is caused by global warming and representative of Antarctica as a whole.
Global warming alarmists and their media allies are at it again. The Los Angeles Times published a story titled, “Irreversible collapse of Antarctic glaciers has begun, studies say.” The Seattle Post-Intelligencer weighed in with, “How Washington coastal cities will look when the Antarctic Ice Sheet melts.” The Christian Science Monitor published a story titled, “Catastrophic collapse of Antarctic ice sheet now underway, say scientists.”
The good news, beyond the less-than-alarming truth about the paper’s findings, is observations show Antarctic ice extent is undergoing a long-term expansion. Alarmists try to scare people into believing a “catastrophic collapse of Antarctic ice sheet [is] now underway” at the very time that the Antarctic ice extent is setting record after record.
It’s not just the Antarctic, either. Precise satellite measurements of both polar ice caps show no decline in polar ice since the satellite instruments were launched in 1979. Not only is total polar ice extent currently greater than the long-term average; polar ice extent has been greater than the long-term average for nearly all of the past 16 months.

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And to know they are and have been studying for a long time, active exposed volcanic activity underneath the ice for a long time as well so how the enviromentalists going to control active volcanos spewing lava? Blame it on mankind??

I fished Falls Lake NC didnt see a single iceburg all day must be global warming

haven't seen any on Lake Wylie

I believe that you can take isolated facts and prove that “Global Warming” is or isn't happening right now. What I don’t believe is, that there is anything we can do about it. I think it is all part or the cycle the earth goes through to correct those things that can and will change as the planet ages. From the Ice Age to the Global Warming phenomena, all we have learned is to panic and blame everyone else for the “problem” and I use that word with tongue in cheek. If the earth has had enough of us, it will dispose of mankind and there is not one danged thing we can, or should do about it.

Yep there is really nothing we can do. All of these NOAA,EPA,etc made up as they go rules are done to protect their little goverment job its like saying ," See you really need me to protect the world." When in reality what we don't need is these people in the gov making things worse. I have watched the program that shows what they think would happen if the world were suddenly without people. Very interesting to see how long they think a lot of the man made stuff would last.

Dear BB before whining one should consider a few things. Now for your enlightenment, Duke Power aided and abetted by the Governor of NC managed to dump coal ash into the Dan River the river crosses state boundaries. I guess it would suit you to return to the good old days when rivers would catch fie (Cuyahoga River near Cleveland).Perhaps you favor poisoned waterways but most folks don't.

Here is a very well done and interesting site providing insight on climate change as to the scientific consensus and examples of many of the deceitful comments made by many climate change advocates.

Their Goal:
To educate the public about climate science and through them bring pressure to bear on governments to engage in public debates on the scientific merits of the hypothesis of human induced global warming and the various policies that intend to address the issue.

Their Opinion:
It is our opinion that the Sun is the main direct and indirect driver of climate change.

On the top panel at this site to the right of the rotating globe note those series of different comments that are displayed there.

For those interested in this issue enjoy The Friends Of Science at.

http://www.friendsofscience.org/

Well speKzilla Please be aware I have spent MANY MANY days working at TVAN (Tennesse Valley Authority NUCLEAR ) Plants along with some TVA coal plants. Not all plants have the same mentality as Duke Power. What I am saying is that there are people working in a LOT of GOV positions that use it like welfare. Mainly because they could not hold a job in the real working world. I will stand by what I said about Gov agencies making up rules as they go along. One of the first things that the people as a whole need to do is get rid of by vote every life long politican in Washington and tell the new ones we are tired of the way that Gov agencies make up rules to suit themselves. I do believe that before they can make up rules they have to be proposed then voted on by congress and senate. If it failsd there then thats the end of it. If it passes it goes before the voting public. If it fails there then thats the end of it. I do not condon the dumping of coal dust or any chemical waste into any waterway and anyone that would even think that needs to remove their head from their rear. One thing everyone needs to realize about any gov agency state or federal is it comes down to one thing. How to seperate you from your money.

Global Warming........ DOOM!!!!! WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!! Send us more money and we will make it better.

Ain't it the truth!!!!!!

Well,well having spent time working at nuclear facilities myself I will share some insight. I spent time at he Surrey Nuc. plant in Va and doing work for Newport News, as well the Naval Nuclear Program. In this time I had the fun of being subjected to the scrutiny of inspectors from NNRO (Naval Reactors Representatives Office)one of those evil government office you hold in contempt. Yet , they have been able to operate reactors in the confines of a submarine.This was done by following strict rules ,not voted on by congress, perhaps it would be better to just to let things just go but I doubt it. I do seem to recall the "real world that you reference " giving us the thrill of Three Mile Island.

Very good let me give you a little pat on the back. I do understand that Naval inspectors can be some of the toughes in the world as they should be. As far as three mile island goes, At a TVAN site I once had the occasion to talk to one of the gov inspectors that had been at that site. ZI discussed wityh him what one of the engineers from the boiler company (designed the boiler and supervised its installation) told me about some of the things that had lead up to that fiasco. It was operator error. The analog gauges stuck, Operator makes changes computer starts making changes. Things do not happen fast enough for operator. Operator makes changes again. Competer has to start all over to correct to new changes. Had it not been for the way the overall containment system is designed it would have been a lot worse than it was. The media made it seem a lot worse than it really was. But I suppose you were there also. TVAN hired a NAVAL officer as a plant manager that was suppose to know how to operate a nuclear plant. It didn't take them long to figure out he was not capable of running the plant. I am not saying he didn't know how to run the unit just that he didn't know how to run the plant.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/11/st...lobal-warming/