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If you are running 1/16, 1/32, or 1/48 ounce jigs at 0.7mph on the gps what depth do you think they are running? I am interested in seeing what everyone else thinks in reference to my opinion. Also, what speeds do you run the 1/16 oz jigs when trolling without any extra weight and what depth do you think they are running. This question could be two part for the back rods and then for the side rods.
what is the water depth ? and how far are your jigs from the boat !!! and what test pound line are you using ?Quote:
Originally Posted by SNAP HUNTER
using 6 lb test a 1/16 jig 50ft behind the boat at 0.7mph would be at 9ft ,1/32 jig 50ft behind the boat would be at 3ft,1/48 jig not sure never fish with them !!!
I normally run 1/16 jigs at 0.9mph to 1.0mph jig 50ft behind boat the jigs run 6 to 7 ft deep !
Lets just say the water depth is 10ft or deeper. I use 6lb test line on all reels trolling and 50ft or a little longer would be about the right length from the boat of the jig. I am looking for other peoples info on this. I have found that different people have some way different answers for some reason. I rarely use 1/48oz jigs but I do if they are extremely shallow in very shallow water.
well share some of your info as well , what depth are your jigs running ?Quote:
Originally Posted by SNAP HUNTER
I think at 0.7mph the 1/16oz could go as deep as 11 foot but I think they are normally running a little shallower than 10 foot with the back rods. My side rods are 12 footers, 14 footers, 16 footers and 18 footers and I try to have them running shallower as the rods get longer. I believe that my 18ft rod with a 1/16oz jig could be running about four foot with 25-30 foot of line out. When casting my side rods I always have 12 foot rod longer and work my way up with less line out as the rod gets longer. I think this also helps with tangles but lately I have done a lot of biting jigs off and retying.
I don't think the 1/16 are running as deep as y'all think they are. I use some 1/8 jigs at Greenwood in the fall and fish some flats that are 12' deep. With my jigs out 40 to 50' they never hit bottom and I feel they are running 10 to 11' foot deep using 6lb line and at a speed of .07, .08 when the wind hits. I know pulling a 1/16 at the same distance out I can fish a 6' flat at .07 without hitting bottom. I never add weight to my lines and only pull a 1/16 or a 1/8 jig. If I want to go deeper or shallower I speed up or slow down and use what ever jig I have tied on at the time.
Just my way of pulling and what I know my jigs are doing.
I'm no expert, but I think it also depends on jig body being used. Curly tail grubs seem to offer more resistance than say a hair jig. I've gotten where I just pull 1/16s all the time. I add a split shot to get them deeper if desired. I speed up the troll speed and not let them as far out if want to shallow up how they run. The shallowest water we usually pull is probably 8-10 feet. That's just what we do. If the fish are on the bank in the bushes/weeds we cast to them vs troll. But it seems some are just about always coming or going from the bank. Those are the ones longlining catches in the spring I believe.
Good question sometimes I have had problems bumping the bottom in 10 fow with 1/16 mainly using slider jigs with about 50ft of line out running .7 by the GPS what would the difference be on round heads vs the pointed heads I use pointed heads I wonder if that would have any bearing on my issue
There are too many variables to give a concrete answer....unless, you give all the variables to take into account. The variables are: type jig head (bullet/minnow runs deeper than round), size jig head (1/16,1/32,1/24 etc.), diameter of line: (#4, #6, etc.), length of line (30',40',50',60', 80', etc.), angle of rod (0degrees-straight out back, 90 degrees-straight out side...0 degrees runs deeper than 90 degrees etc.,body of jig (curly tail, slider, hair etc.), speed (.7,.8,.9,1.0) now, if I have remembered all of those we can take the guess work out. I think length of line is one area where people "guess"...and unless you are counting it out, you may be surprised. One day we were fishing Greenwood and I had a 12' rod that was about out of line...it was catching fish left & right. When I got home, I measured the amount of line it had out...75' to my surprise. So unless you know that....the formula is worthless. Angle of rods is another area that we fail to make adjustments during the day. Sometimes the back rods are catching more fish than the side rods or vice-versa...the depth is the answer. If the side rods are getting more bites, shallow up the back rods or vice-versa. I would suggest if you don't count out your line...to at least cast your jig on your lawn and measure the distance...then you'll have some idea how far back your jigs are.
when I first started longlining I asked a lot of people these same questions some answers was the same and some not.. so I did a little research a found a very good read and this is mainly what I go by to this day !!! and when I am in my boat with the way my setup is I pretty much know where my jig is and at what speed !!! with that said here is the link to a good read !!! and the speed and depth chart in this article is what I go by and so far it has worked for me with a little adjustments !!!
Long-lining Techniques - the Magnolia Crappie Club
Well, I did a little different than some of the others. I actually went to the lake, got my speed set at .8 mph, casted my jigs "on a long throw" (my terminology for as far as I could cast that jig), and headed to the shallows to "see" at what depth the rods started bouncing. With my boat set up I can get about 8' deep with 1/16ths, 4' on a 1/32nd, and I've never fished anything lighter. Now, with those same jigs on a half throw I can get the 1/16's around 5' deep and the 1/32nds a couple feet deep. And again, with 1/16ths and a splitshot about the same size as the jighead I go 13' deep with the jig. This is with 6# Vicious or Mr. Crappie Hi-vis line, southern pro 2" hot grubs, and round head lite wire jigheads and all my rods off the back and back corners of my boat with rods low to the water. IMO, the only way youre gonna know what your setup does is by dragging the jigs at a set speed on a long throw and see where (at what depth) your rods begin bouncing as you head shallow. IMO, until you actually do this youre just guessing.
Lots of good answers, but I've done what Butch has, in regards to dragging until they hit bottom, and I use the same type lures, so I tend to agree with his response. But remember, that suspended crappie at 8-9 feet has absolutely no problem swimming up to engulf a jig a 2 ft or 7 ft, if water clarity allows it to see the lure. As the gentleman who first taught me long-lining trolling said, "Boy, I don't know how deep that jig is going, but the rods are bending and we're catching fish, so what difference does it make?" Kinda hard to argue with that logic...:biggrinQuote:
Originally Posted by gabowman
If I had to random a guess, using round headed jigs heads, and curly tailed grubs, 6 lb. test on a 50 foot cast going .7 mph, I would state that 1/16ths would be running around 9', the 1/32nds around 7', and the 1/48ths around 5'.
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Originally Posted by burdawg
Good read
Agree with gabowman about need to just see what depth they hit bottom at to be sure. I seldom troll as slow as 0.7 mph anymore unless I am just trying things to see if I can get a bite. I am usually around 0.9 to 1.1 and sometimes as high as 1.3. 1/16's seem to run about 4 or 5 feet deep at that speed. I go to higher weight if I need to go deeper.
Great read.....and absolutely everyone needs to do their own homework but....this is a great conversation and what this board is for. I still have times where i cant catch fish and the boat beside me is hauling them in and i get to wondering what im doing wrong.....depth of jig ways is 1st question. Happened last weekend and now the responses on here have varified that speed should have been on point and i dont have to take my set up back to the lab
As mentioned, there are a ton of variables to consider and I believe even the boat you are fishing out of plays in to it. Without experimenting like Butch mentioned I believe it's hard to know anything exact, but I believe a 1/16th minnow head pulled at 0.8 mph is running about 8 foot. I think a 1/32nd at 0.8 is probably in the 5-6 foot range and a 1/48th around 3 ft. Just my opinion and I'm a tightliner at heart so take my opinion lightly LOL.
What that guy said...... Different boats do make a difference. And so do the electronics. I run 2 graphs. Both are lowrance gen 2 touch units. One is a 9 and one is a 7. While one unit could be reading .8 SOG the other could be reading .7. So homework for your setup is critical
Just keep in mind that when you see a majority of fish holding at a certain depth it aint the most critical thing having your jigs at that precise depth. Rather make sure they are running ABOVE the crappie. Even if it's a foot or so above them. Crappie look up and if they want it they'll attack it. Non feeding fish wont bite even if youre trying to hit 'em in the head with it.;)