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Talked to a guy Sunday at the ramp, and boy he was twisted up. And it got me thinking. So I gotta ask! Apparently he had sunk trees during the winter (welcome to the club) and everybody was fishing them. I have always took the first come approach to this, and side imaging has about made it impossible to hide anything. But that's part of it, right? Or am I missing something here?
you are spot on !!! ain't no need getting mad about it , got to understand if you put it out and someone finds it they will be fishing it !!!!
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Originally Posted by strmwalker
That is just like someone fussing at you for fishing around their dock. I have gotten cussed at more than once for casting around someones dock. I never do that if anyone is on the dock, especially if they are fishing. The worst I ever got was a woman coming down from her house and laying into my buddy and me about fishing around her dock. I finally invited her to go call DNR or the police and I would wait and see what they had to say. but she stomped off still cussing.
I also will not attempt to retrieve a lure if I hang it on or around their dock, it is usually a jig and I just break it off to avoid the appearance that I trespassed on their dock.
But brush piles placed in the lake are fair game. They are in common water and anybody has the right to fish them. I have never moved in on someone fishing a brush pile, but from what I have read on here, there are folks who will barge right in on top of you.
Takes all kinds I guess.
If that dock with the woman is on Murray, I bet I know the dock, She has give me one more hard time, heck she will sit in front of that big window and beat on the glass if you get too close, I just reached out to push the boat away from the dock alittle, and she came a running!Quote:
Originally Posted by SeaRay
Everybody finds my brush, you cant keep it hid. If some one is on it, I move on to the next one.
You think that fella passes up brush piles someone else put out? Not likely. Sounds like he's fishing for the wrong reasons if he's that uptight.
As a avid crappie fishermen that has placed hundreds if not thousands of pieces of brush out in my life time I will say this; Yes, it is true that brush placed in open, public water is fair game to all that can find it, but some ethics are in place here. We place brush out in different ways, some are easily marked and findable by the most greenest of crappie anglers. Others, slightly more difficult, and others are pretty much unfindable unless I showed you exactly where they're placed at. With that said, If I was to take and show you where my brush is located, I would expect you to honor me but not fishing it when you know that I'm on the lake. When I'm not fishing, you are welcome to enjoy the fruits of my labors. If a tournament, or fishing event was coming up, and it was known that I was going to fish it, it would be appreciated if the brush wasn't fished at all a week prior to the event. Tommy and I both fish really fast when fishing brush, most times we will fish 10 to the average Joe's one. We have learned over time, to prevent hard feelings with others, we decided to put more brush out than is capable of being fished in a day. (Nobody can fish them all) This way, we always have alternate places to go in the event others are fishing on or near piles we have out. Who's to say that some one else hasn't dropped some brush right on top of where we had already had brush established.
Amen ink
People with side imaging has told me they used to put out brush.....now they just find and waypoint brush others puts out. It's fair game for whomever that gets there first.
This is just me and the way I am. If someone came up to me and I was fishing a pile,if they told me in a civil tone they had placed it there and would like to fish it, I'd roll up my poles and leave. If they came up yelling and hollering at me I might drag my anchor through it. It's all in how you approach people.
I would like to add one more thing to this conversation. Brush can be fished many different ways, and fishermen in general present their baits in many different ways. I can't tell you how many times that Tommy and I have pulled right on top of a brush another boat has just pulled off of and caught some nice fish from it. We probably are doing something a little different, different colored baits, different depths fished, etc. Knowing how the brush is positioned in the water gives you a huge advantage also. Timing also has a lot to do with it as well. Certain brush are better during the mornings, while others during the heat of the day. A lot of times, I find brush fishing best during mid morning into the afternoon, especially during the summer time.
According to the guy that blasted up on me this weekend, since he sank it, he had the right to roll up and fish it even if I was sitting on it. He came up within 15 foot and dropped his anchors. He told me that if he hadnt put the brush there then he wouldnt be crowding in on me. I told him that I didnt see his name on it and had been fishing that hole for years. I then dropped my hook in a little deeper, snagged the brush good and started shaking and ripping the rod side to side. (Carefully trying to get unhooked without disturbing the fish of course). After I broke the hook off I drifted away. I was drifting around the area and it was the second time I had been over that brush anyways. If he would have slowed down before blasting into the cove, eased around a bit and asked if I minded he give the brush a try it would have been different. But instead he just informed me he was going to crowd me because he sank it. Another boat with a father and son had came up to the cove just before this guy did, they got a good ride out of wake he made blasting into the cove. The father and son were doing what I think is the right thing for this area. They came up to the mouth of cove, stopped out of the target zone. Got their rigs out and started fishing. They were moving into the cove opposite of were I was, fishing other cover. I let folks like that cycle around the same area and share the brush. There was plenty of brush in this cove.
I put out a lot of PVC pile and I don't care if others fish it, I have enough out if someone is fishing one place I can go to another. What does burn me up is when the water drops people will move the PVC piles!! If everyone would place some brush there would be more than enough for everyone to fish but like already said, with the new SI units people like to set on their tails all winter then go fish other fisherman places. I would never come and fish the same place if another fisherman is fishing but it does tend to get under your skin.
Amen to what everyone has said. There will be those that feel they own every part of the lake/water they have ever touched as well as what's in it. We as true Fishermen need to take the high road and avoid them as best as we can. No matter what we do, we will always have them.
Well, I put ALOT of brush out 2 times a year. I look at it in 2 ways, it helps me, and it improves our habitat. If others fish it, so be it. Hopefully I improved a fellow fisherman trip. Takes a lot for me to get worked up, but I been doing this a while. And FYI-- hide a few piles in standing timber! Makes em tough to find with SI. Lol!! All said, none of us have the deed for the waters we love, and it seems as the spawn progresses, we get more and more "non sportsman" who's only concern is catching fish. While on the well Sunday, had the proverbial guy blow up on my marker bout when he saw my group catching fish. Dang it man! Just wait till I leave! An he had a small child in the boat, so that's another generation that thinks it is ok to do that! Well, thanks everyone for the opinions, if we can make it a few more weeks maybe it will get back to normal!
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Originally Posted by cray
In my book they are fair game. Way I look at it, first come first serve. You were there first I'm going elsewhere. No reason to come in on someone else. Kinda like in my bowfishing tourneys, if someone beat me there it's there's. I've had people come in on me and had some words but everything was handled without getting fired up.
I am in agreement with all above. I keep a stock of multiple piles on the lake that way if somebody is on one I can go to the next one. During the drought on Hartwell, I spent many hours riding with the GPS marking anything I found that I thought looked good for when the water came back. Bottom line, unless he put his piles in his private lake they are free game to whoever finds em....in my opinion.
Pretty much first come, first served which IMO means get on water at 5am, get your spot and hope others are honorable
The one observation I made about this thread is as follows; If you are one of the ones that is working your tail off putting the brush in, you believe ethics come into play when fishing it. If you are one of the ones that likes to sit on your butt in the nice comfy house during the winter, then come spring reap the rewards of others hard labor, your belief is first come, first served. Just saying!
inkdabber; i have to agree to disagree with you. ethics are good qualities in a person but when you put a brush pile into a public waterway it is fair game to whomever finds or fishes it. I have put many a pile in lake murray and have come up on them and had others fishing them. would ask how they are doing and go about my business to another. i have also found others and fished them. you are wrong in my opinon that everybody that does not put out piles is lazy sitting on their butts. you may not realize it but a lot of people out here do not have the tools/ability or access to be able to put out piles. one more thing; no matter who puts the brush in and where it is I cannot fathom somebody thinking that it is o.k. to plop down beside somebody else fishing it just because they put it in. where are the ethics in that? just my opinion
Another valid point CoolBreeze, some of our elders may no longer have the ability to put brush in. Those same elders may have placed brush that we fished on in the past.
First come first served i say. no one can honestly say if they graph a good brush pile they didn't put in, they would just keep going and fish only the brush they themselves put in..?? i not that naive...and can any man say he hasn't fished brush he didn't sink..?? i think everyone who sinks brush should mark that location on a nearby tree, if possible, with all pertinent info..or better yet post the lat/long on line asking others to stay away....i know i wouldn't fish it..yea right:Rofl
If I find it or them, and no one is fishing it or them, then you're right I'm gonna fish it or them!
Well, this is why I rarely fish Wateree or Murray for Crappie. Too many yahoos with the same thing in mind. These lakes are too small and too easy for the average yahoo to find whatever you put out. If you want to "claim" you a spot with brush, then spend the time to find a spot on a lake people don't go to. Santee is a big ole place, come on down and add a little to it and I doubt you will find as many yanks on your brush! lol
Has anyone ever thought about to many brush piles in the future.more and more will make less fish on each one.lake will be full of brush after a while.
your need to provide cover or you will not have fish and I have never seen too many brush piles !!! most brush piles fall apart if not taken care of and added to every year !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by pafisher
I have a small boat so I fish a lot by myself, I enjoy having someone pull up and fish with me, I guess I should not tell this but I will watch him/her and see if I can learn something. I really believe you will meet 12 nice people for ever A__ ___ you meet. Really just how many will do without supper if they don't take fish home. Just my 2 cent. A good fisherman will always or most of the time catch something.
I have been watching this thread for a couple of days now... and it most reminds me of when I used to deer hunt on state wildlife land where anyone who was a legally licensed hunter could have a place to hunt without all of the anxiety of finding and securing private land to hunt on. I remember many times getting to the tree stand thirty minutes to an hour before sunrise only to see another hunter within 75 yards of me a couple of hours after full light. Well, it's just the price I paid for hunting public land is the way I always figured it... as much as it might have aggravated me to have invested that time only to find that it was a total waste of time. The same held true many times when a four wheeler would come through (what I called) (my hunt) an hour after daylight and come back through within only an hour or so after he went in.
Yes, it's no doubt annoying and aggravating to say the least... but the bottom line is... that's the price I paid for hunting public land where any and everyone had access... to exploit the same right to be there as what I had. I also remember another time that I went to (what I called my stand) for an afternoon and evening hunt... only to find someone sitting in my portable tree stand that I put there a day or so earlier. He was (of course) gracious enough to gladly surrender the spot when I confronted him (as he surely should have)... and was very friendly and sorry about it... but (then) he (only) settled in on the ground less than 80 yards away from me (upwind) after walking through the entire hunt to get there. What are you going to do?
My late dad (rest his soul) might have said it best when he said: "If a deer hunter had five hundred acres of land to hunt by himself... he'd be sitting on the edge of it looking over as much of the adjoining land as could... only because he felt like he was covering more ground." Similarly, he also said, "A bank fisherman will stand on the bank and cast just as far as he can throw out into the lake... to cover all the ground he can cover.... while a boat fisherman will spend huge amount of $$$$ on the fanciest boat he can afford and all of the gear he thinks he might need... only to fish as close to the bank as he can." Go figure!!!
I reckon the moral to the story is: It's human nature to complain about something or another all the time no matter what. More power to the ones that put out structure and work the hardest to ply the great sport of fishing... but to be sure you are smart enough to know that the short cutters are everywhere and they live to exploit the hard work of others (in every way they can) to their own advantage.
Is this really such a news flash or as difficult a question as this thread is trying to make it out to be???? I'm sorry, but I don't see the surprise.
So when I find structure with my finder,and fish it you say I'm taking a shortcut. This is the reason fishermen buy fish finders.I am sorry but thats what I look for fish and structure.yes public waters for "our enjoyment ". I have put out structure and fellows will find it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Special K
It's a public lake. All spots are first come first serve with a few exceptions.
I agree if another fisherman shows you their spot and you know they'll be fishing in in a tourny or are out that day that you somewhat avoid it, or it it after they fish. Unless it's a guide you've paid for.
One thing I don't care for though is when I'm going dock to dock, or up the shore, and someone jumps into the dock in front of me. I'd say bridges are a little different as you often have a few boats somewhat stacked up at them.
On the contrary my friend... that's not at all what I'm saying... (please don't take offense because there was none intended I can assure you)... I am only saying when fishing public waters... you have no choice other than grin and bare it (although I commend anyone's extra efforts in placing those features) (I've actually put a lot of structure out myself) but when you place your brush piles or other man made features in public waters they too become public property just like the rest of the lake or reservoir... and people finding and fishing it (you included) is just status quo... and for anyone to believe any different I'm afraid they are just setting themselves up for repeated disappointments and high anxiety levels on the water such as come along with fishing public waters. Like someone said earlier... with modern day side imaging and down imaging technology being what it is... people are going to find most brush and structure features either natural or man made... and they are definitely going to fish those structures when they see fish on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by pafisher
More simply put: There's no "I" in "STRUCTURE PLACEMENT"