Public Urination?

This was posted on the Ozark Anglers Fourm, I have heard many of these "reports" but never known someone to actually be ticketed?

"I heard of two guys that were issued tickets by the Conservation Agent for urinationg in public. They were urinating behind a tree at the lake. That is considered an indecent public display, Both were added to the sex offenders list. I have heard that Springfield Police do the same thing to drunks who urinate in public. I was wondering if that was true about the Conservation Agents. Anyone ever hear of this?"

hear of it all the time, I just don't believe it, seems like the story surfaces now and again, having said that, I can see where standing in a boat, in a crowd, kids and women and young folk about and some one does that, yea wright him or her up, stiff fine, and in court after investigation it this happens more than once, then get tough with him or her. but behind a tree. I don't think it happened......... plus if you p in a jug, you are not suppose to dispose of it in an unsanitary manner.......... common sense rules here

You boys be careful then cause old Ron and I are going to have to really keep our eyes open..........

Just don't leave any evidence on yer boots.

went to tenn. last yr. to catfish and found the restrooms are closed till 10 am . 3 cups of coffee and a honey bun isn't waiting till 10 a.m.:dono

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Originally Posted by eagle 1

went to tenn. last yr. to catfish and found the restrooms are closed till 10 am . 3 cups of coffee and a honey bun isn't waiting till 10 a.m.:dono

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Hahahaha, yep, had to make that decision before! Watched my buddy run down a hundred yards of dock one time only to find the marina wash house closed at 4:30am! I heard him cussing all the way back at the boat.

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Originally Posted by olesilverside

cause old Ron and I are going to have to really keep our eyes open..........

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Monty that just sounds odd??? :scratchhead

Is all of this serious? Seriously?

Have to agree Bill that didn't sound like I meant it to......... it's more like how do you think we keep Truman lake level up so high.........

I seriously doubt any of our Agents would write that up IF you were being discrete. None of our Protection folks are in the office now but I'll ask them about it when one is here.

While you're at it MOfish, ask them if they know when the Corps is going to drop the lake 50 feet to work on the spillway, seems i hear that one on a regular basis :). Seriously, thanks for your contribution, the presence of MDC personnel adds a lot to the site.

Our Protection staff confirmed that discretion would be considered. If you're standing on the end of the dock at a busy ramp relieveing yourself you'd get written up! Maybe a good rule of thumb would be if you wouldn't go there if your grandmother was around, find a different spot!

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Originally Posted by Micropterus salmoides

Is all of this serious? Seriously?

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Depends?

Wait....that solves the problem! :biggrin

Guys have it a lot easier that us girls. Especially when you get poison ivy real easy.

I don't have any poison ivy in my boat

Show me a game warden, ranger, field biologist, sheriff, state patrolman or anyone else that says they have never taken a leak afield... and will show you a lying SOB. I agree that tickets and perhaps even arrests should be made in incidences of poor discretion, indecent exposure, offensive acts around others, etc,... but since this is a biological function of the human body... it should be viewed with some wide discretion by everyone involved including enforcement folks. Assuming argument that we are not wild animals who handle such biological needs outside the way wild animals do... we are outdoors men and women who often venture far away from the nearest rest room accommodations. Really!!! Listed as sex offenders!!! Come on!!! Really!!!

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Originally Posted by perchplucker

Guys have it a lot easier that us girls. Especially when you get poison ivy real easy.

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Solved!!

Got caught once,lady game warden,watched me threw binocs and then watch my face turn RED when she made it clear she was watching us for awhile.No ticket,just embarrassed .I think she enjoyed seeing me squirm.Also no ticket for short fish either.

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Originally Posted by keeferfish

Depends?

Wait....that solves the problem! :biggrin

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Depends !

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Originally Posted by keeferfish

Depends?

Wait....that solves the problem! :biggrin

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Bill wears them Joe changes them for him !!!:yikes

"short fish" ........... There's a joke in there somewhere crappiedave :biggrin

Buddy of mine got a ticket for it during St Louis Mardi Gras. He's on the sex offender list so I know that part is true. Now if they would do that to someone who got a ticket in the woods? i doubt it

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Originally Posted by stratosverian

Buddy of mine got a ticket for it during St Louis Mardi Gras. He's on the sex offender list

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If you're changing someone's depends in public.....I guess SO!!!!

Here is the bottom line. Everyone has had to p while on the lake. Get over next to the bank, and position the boat in an angle against the bank. Kneel down next to the outboard motor and no one is going to say one word. Keep your rod and reel close to you so it looks like you are hung up and nobody will know the difference. If you still do not feel comfortable with that, carry a liter sized pop bottle in the boat so you can do your business and screw the lid on and then dispose of it when you get home. Just curious about one thing however, have people been ticketed for actually peeing in a bottle in the boat? If that is the case, then I think that is a little too intrusive on the part of the law!!!!

It all comes down to common sense. 99.9% of MDC agents will decide on each different situation based on common sense. If someone is taking a leak from their boat in an out-of-the-way spot...no problem. But if he's in sight of families/kids, then maybe a ticket for public urination would be the right thing to do. I haven't heard the story of anyone being put on a sex offender list for this, but before I would condemn an agent for being a jerk, I would want to know the whole story. It's always been my understanding that a sex offender has to be a convicted felon for some deviant behavior, and I would think public urination would be a misdemeanor charge. All that being said, I'm sure somewhere there is an agent who might try to "overcharge" some of his cases.

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Originally Posted by vic n

It's always been my understanding that a sex offender has to be a convicted felon for some deviant behavior, and I would think public urination would be a misdemeanor charge.

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Vic....the ticket isn't for public urination...it's for "exposing oneself". And justice is blind, so the perpetrator of public urination gets penalized the same way as a guy flashing a group of school kids, provided the ticket gets written up the same way. I'm not disagreeing with anything you say, 'cept insofar as that a sex offender does NOT have to be a convicted felon for some deviant behavior.

I don't know how the law reads, and what latitudes an agent might have. Seems like everyone knows the difference between being discrete and being flagrant so the situation and circumstances should obviously be taken into account. Kinda like someone flying down ice covered roads in a snowstorm. Maybe the officer can't write them up for speeding, if they were under the speed limit, but could ticket for reckless driving or "too fast for conditions".

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Originally Posted by Joedog

Vic.... I'm not disagreeing with anything you say, 'cept insofar as that a sex offender does NOT have to be a convicted felon for some deviant behavior.

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Ummmmm.......why are you so well-versed on this? :popcorn

This one time at crappie (band) camp...........

This is almost as good as the chain dragging thread. Keep it going,there is nothing on tv anyway.:Rofl:popcorn

" carry a liter sized pop bottle in the boat so you can do your business "

Does it have to be or should it be a Mountain Dew bottle. :scratchhead

The best thing I found, I keep a glass Planters Peanut jar in my boat. Heavy enough it doesn't blow out and a wide enough opening to do your business. Pour it out, rinse in in the lake and you're good to go.

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Originally Posted by crappiedave55

Got caught once,lady game warden,watched me threw binocs and then watch my face turn RED when she made it clear she was watching us for awhile.No ticket,just embarrassed .I think she enjoyed seeing me squirm.Also no ticket for short fish either.

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did she need them binocs because she didn't want you to see her or did she have to have them to see something

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Originally Posted by dfar

" carry a liter sized pop bottle in the boat so you can do your business "

Does it have to be or should it be a Mountain Dew bottle. :scratchhead

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this is why folgers puts there coffee in 31 ounce plastic cans no rust

Gatorade bottles are perfect. Wide opening, the bigger ones hold plenty of volume. Just don't buy yellow Gatorade to make sure there are no mistakes.

`yeah, volume is important. make sure the bottle holds at least as much liquid as your coffee thermos!

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Originally Posted by Speck

The best thing I found, I keep a glass Planters Peanut jar in my boat. Heavy enough it doesn't blow out and a wide enough opening to do your business. Pour it out, rinse in in the lake and you're good to go.

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I've seen the jar. It's wide, and DEEP.

Ever now and then, a fellar's got to get a hold of hisself.