For you guys that are setup to pull cranks off the back of the boat using rods of the same length...
Stiffer rod tip ...or softer rod tip..??
Why...??
Rickie
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For you guys that are setup to pull cranks off the back of the boat using rods of the same length...
Stiffer rod tip ...or softer rod tip..??
Why...??
Rickie
I use BnM. PSTs......a 14 and a 10 straight out each side at the back and two 8 footers straight out the back......that way I have at least four ft. of sepaation between them.
Good info of course...I understand the reasoning for the different rod lengths for line separation...Quote:
Originally Posted by "G"
My query is reasoning for stiffer rods or softer rods...??
Rickie
I use glass rods for trolling with a medium fast tip. They tend to load somewhat slower which allows for a deeper hook set. Should mention that when trolling the rods are in holders and stay there til the bite.
I like a medium action 6' 6" rod for out the back, not a stiff fast action. I think they show what your crankbait is doing much better that a stiff, fast action pole. I use four 6 1/2' ugly stick casting out the back and 12' BnM PST out both sides. The ugly sticks have nice long cork handles for the rod holders and are guaranteed against breakage (extra guarantee from BPS).
The BnM PSTs are made for pulling crankbaits.......just the right stiffness........I use Okuma Magna Pro 15 line counter reels on them to adjust my depth pulling Bandits using the depth chart Attachment 150935Quote:
Originally Posted by rnvinc
Ive seen that chart about the deep of the bandits but at what speeds?Quote:
Originally Posted by "G"
The chart is figured using 10 lb. mono and speed 1.6 to 1.8 mph
get the right rods,,and you can watch and study your rod tips vibrating as the crank bait wobbles. Easy to see the hit even with the rod having little movement especially if you get a dink hitting the crankbait.
Walleye trolling rods work perfect for out the back. Diawa Wilderness, Shimano TDR, Cabelas depthhunter, Okuma Pro Classics, etc. They usually run $20-40. Length doesn't matter as much since you're going out the back. I like 8-9 ft for ease in clearing the motor/transom.
You don't want stiff, but too flexible and it makes it tough bring them in. I nice moderate action works for me.
I really like the Berkley Lightning rod...I use several of the spinning style in 7' medium...
But I was afraid the casting style Lightning rod was going to be too stiff...I like the mention that a somewhat softer tip will shows the Bandit wobble better...
This has me leaning towards the 7' casting style Ugly Stick....they seem to have a softer tip than the Lightning rod...(Walmart carries the 7' one piece Ugly Stick for $29.99)...
I wonder...does Ugly Stick make an 8' or longer one piece casting rod in a medium action...??
Rickie
I use six, seven foot BPS Tourney bass rods with MH action and Offshore planer boards. I have tried Medium action rods several times but I kept breaking the tips when using the boards. Never broke a MH. The fish don't seem to mind.
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Good info...thanks yikess...Quote:
Originally Posted by yikess
Rickie
Don't rule out the Silstars, they work just as good and are cheap, they come in 8 10 and 12. That BnM 410 is a good little rod also for 13 bucks
Being too cheap to upgrade my rods I just tied clips to the 8lb line I put on the 2000 series spinning reels and strapped em to my BGJP's in 8, 10, and 12". I run the 12's long and the 10's a bit shorter and the 8's shortest. These are all riding in my Hi-Tek's and the 12's are 90* to the boat, the 10's a few degrees further back and the 8's a little further yet. The softer action loads up nice and the Bass haven't managed to hurt one yet, nor did the 11.2lb cat that just had to have that Bandit. Run what you brung and you'll figure out what you need for you pretty quick.
Can you explain this a little more...??Quote:
Originally Posted by skeetbum
Rickie
He is using some kind of clip so he can change out his color or type of cranks that he is pulling really quickly. instead of tying the cranks on every time he wants to make a change.CF
I use 14" BnM pst I can troll with them, push crank baits, slow troll. spider rig all with the same poles. Never had a problem knowing when I am getting a bite.
Bingo CF. It also allows more movement of the crank. Cross loc clips work the best IMHO, and any that have sheet metal on them need to stay in the store. I don't know the size but the tiny ones are too hard to open and close for my old eyes.
I pull cranks with crappie maxx tightline special (from bass pro) ........ They are listed as med heavy, moderate action......honestly there not good for anything but pulling cranks....... BUT am very pleased with hiw they perform pulling cranks....... Ive always liked a moderate action for cranking, if you look at most of your higher end crank bait rods for other species there all mostly moderate action...... Supposedly from what ive read to act as a shock absorber on the strike and helps to not pull the trebbles loose..........any how i like the tight line specials, paired with okuma line counters..... Have had nothing but good exp with em......
I use med action bass rods 7 and 8 footers , and some old hi tech 10 footers. I've caught 22-24" walleyes and countless 3-4lb bass no issues
Forgot to mention I use 4-6 lb test line run about 1.5-1.9 mph 60 -70 feet of line .
Rickie, I use some cheap 6.6 medium heavy bait casters out the back. 12 ft PST out the sides and bought 2 of the Pinnacal limit rods in 8 ft. They all work. The Pinnacal is pretty soft and has a parabolic bend almost to the handle but haven't had any problem landing fish. They all show the wobble good so you can tell what it is doing. I think the Uglystick would be really good if having to buy new starting out.
I'm still trying to decide...
I can get the Ugly Stick medium 7' one piece for right at $30 ...
I would really like about 8' to 10' for the four out the back...(I think I'm gonna need as space between lines as I can get being a newbie at this) ...
I've been kinda busy makin da cover holdits ...and trying to design and build my own personal rod rack to carry these trolling rods on the boat...in a way that is handy but out of the way when spider riggin...
Rickie
I pull with 4 rods out of each side of my boat and I use Wally Marshall Troll Tech rods 2-18's 2-14's 2-10's the 2- 6' ugly sticks. I have landed 10 lbs cats and hybrids on them and never slow down and have never broke one on a fish.
I like a pole with a good backbone but a softer tip so it loads up slower. I have rods specific to trolling, medium spinning rods, medium baitcasting rods and they all work fine. but once I was on a catfishing trip at Truman lake in Missouri but the cats weren't biting. I hadn't planned to crappie fish but I had left my crankbaits in the boat and since the cats weren't biting we tied some cranks on our heavy action E glass catfish poles, spooled with 50lb power pro, Lol! not expecting much, we began trolling and to my surprise we caught a ton of nice crappies and the catfish poles worked so good I now use E glass poles for my cranking duties... don't knock it till ya try it!
2 of my push poles are my catfish poles,run 4oz weights on them when pushing cranks
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Originally Posted by south point
I went to a couple walleye fishing seminars this winter and all the captains and tournement guys say, 7'6" to 10' rods with med. or med. light tips. reason 1. you can read the rod better and 2. they load up better to set the hook without pulling the lure free.
So I figure if those guys are using med/med-light for 4 to 10lb lunkers I should be able to do the same for the paper lipped crappies. let the rod do the work and you just have to have a nice steady retreive. No hook set required.
Some of the crappie rods will work for trolling. However if youre truly looking to set up a true trolling spread, buy rods designed for that application.Glass rods are ok for throwing cranks but alil to soft to really get a read on what your cranks are doing.There are a lot of good rod companies out there building trolling rods. fenwick has some awesome rods I own several from 8 to 12 feet to help spread lines.Also the BPS walleye rods are great for the money.I also have and use two 4 foot shorty rods made by scheels these are my inside rods in a four rod set up. Anything more than four rods well run boards to spread out the lines. Speed doesn't have any bearing on the depth of the crank. With the exception you pull a bait too fast and it causes it to spin out.Line diameter play more into the dive curve than speed. Also a line counter is almost a must as well as keeping all you reels with the same amount of line on them so you can duplicate the same depths. A foot or two difference can be a huge factor.
Rickie, I use the 6'6" Ugly Stick medium for trolling cranks. Come go with me, when it warms up or stop by the house on your way to work and you can take them and try them out.Quote:
Originally Posted by rnvinc