I just put a new starter on my boat and still no cranky, cranky. My 8 spline gear on top of the starter won't run up to engage my flywheel?
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I just put a new starter on my boat and still no cranky, cranky. My 8 spline gear on top of the starter won't run up to engage my flywheel?
Sure it was your starter ? Hot Battery ? Got it lined up or does it spin without rising to engage?
dont have it wired backwards do you
Hey, quick tip i learned while getting rescued off of Bull SHoals for the same problem
OIL. spray some light oil, wd-40, gun oil, even fish attractant works, down onto the starter shaft.
the worm gear gets dry, lifts halfway to the flywheel, and spins without engaging.
Been there done that, cranking battery got reverse charged and had the battery screwed up.Quote:
Originally Posted by clfarms1
I had a similar problem on one of my motors and we fixed it by taking the spring off the starter shaft and stretching it out and reinstalling. Turns out the spring had weakened over time and was not pushing hard enough to cause the motor to throw the gear into the flywheel.
Put it back on and it never failed again. When the guy helping me told me what he was going to do, I thought he was nuts because it seemed to me that would make it harder for the gear to engage the flywheel. Worked though, thankfully.
Most likely the starter bendix is hanging up. Spray some Break free around the spline and pull up manually and exercise the spring. Then try it with the key and it should engage. Good luckQuote:
Originally Posted by constructskeeter
I don't know what kind of motor you have but I had a 40 horse Nissan outboard that would do something very similar from time to time. I found that there was a short in the wiring harness that is bundled up alongside the engine in the wiring bracket. I simply wiggled that harness when I had problems and it would start fine for weeks until it would short out again. Evidently is was a ground problem that was easily fixed by giggling the wires. Finally I rewired that wiring harness... or had it done by someone who knew what they were doing... and I never had another issue.
The only other thing I might suggest is your neutral switch may be bad causing it to think it's in gear when it's not... check your linkages and your neutral switch.
Happen to me on Bull Shoals ain't know place to have problems!! Lead Hill!! What he said!!! May need a flat screwdriver to get it broke loose!! Just real light tension!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by shineehineekid
Try cleaning your battery terminals. When they get dirty, they don't push enough juice to engage the spindle up to the flywheel.
Thanks for all the comments guys. Even though it's a brand new starter I'm going to try some light oil in the morning if not later tonight due to weather in the morning. It's a 1990 model 150 mercury xr4. It spins fast, just won't twist up to engage the flywheel.
Skeeter, stick a voltmeter to the leads going to the starter... Make sure you have power, should be 12v-13v if I'm not mistaken. If you've got power there you know it's a starter issue... If not it's obviously an issue between there and the battery.
I had that problem a few years ago like that and now I put a little three and one oil on the spindle up to the flywheel once are twice a year. No problem, since
x2!!!! 13.6 if battery is hot. Should work down to about 11-11.5Quote:
Originally Posted by ztkirkpatric
Just waded the water and ice out to the boat to spray WD 40 on that shaft...that didn't work either:(
If it is new starter I would suspect the battery or connections.
Sorry you had to wade for it man.
had the very same problem, and know others who have. it had to be worth a shot.
I've had the same problem on a brand new starter as well. I'm sure they just dry up sitting on a shelf. Oil it up good, then put a little up pressure on the bottom of the gear with a flat head and bump the starter a few times. Should engage. May take a few tries. Once we got ours broke loose it has worked ever since. But, if you don't have a good enough charge then that could cause the same issue.
Was that new starter rebuilt?
At least check the danged battery before we All go crazy!!!!!! :-)
Ok, checked all 3 batteries by putting a load on them, all checked good. I took jumper cables and tried to hook to battery then directly to starter but when I tried to hook the ground to motor block it was hot before I even touched the hot cable to anything....never figured that one out. I did have a boat mechanic tell me my ignition switch could cause it too. Getting up early tomorrow to take the boat somewhere to get them to fix it. I'll definatly post what the problem was to help others out, this has been a fight and apparently it's smarter than I am cause it has me stumped.
Where are you located? It's probably something simple you can figure out with a meter and a few hours. I just hate spending all that money when it could be something silly.
WhooooHooooo. I'm all better now that you checked the batteries. I think taking it somewhere is the best thing to do. Without looking at it, every fix posted here is just a guess. I say money well spent to get her looked at!!!! Better than getting stranded on the lake one day !!! :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by constructskeeter
I would still check the connection to the cranking battery and yes, it could be in the switch. Heck it could be anything!! The new starter could be bad also. MONEY WELL SPENT to find out!!!!!
Lol
Have you figured anything out yet?? Take the starter off and see if the pinion can be spun up by hand. It should be free to spin up the shaft if I'm not mistaken. This is why everyone is saying spraying lube on it. When the starter spins the force sends the the pinion up.
Are you still down here in SW Arkansas? If your going to be over this way pm me. You can bring it over here by the shop and we'll take a look at it.
Have you check the starter solenoid ( not sure on spelling) if it is going bad it will spin the shaft but will not engage it
I have a 1991 150 XR4 and the same thing happened. Bendix is hanging up.Quote:
Originally Posted by constructskeeter
Once again thanks for all the help guys. This morning I fixed it and spent the rest of the day on the water setting brush. I had put new batteries on my boat and it was wired backwards at the battery. I had someone look at it and saw it was spinning the Bendix the wrong way. I had checked that already but for those that don't know it spins opposite of what you would think. I saw it spun in the clockwise direction as the gear drive did to run up to engage the fly wheel. Apparently it spins the opposite direction. After all that I managed to set 6 piles(cedar) today in hopes of finding fish over them this next season. It's amazing how many guys on here posted trying to help me, thanks everyone!
Clfarms1 is the winner with the right answer. :) Glad you got it figured out.:thumbup:
Glad you got it man! That kind of stuff is so frustrating.
Nice Job!!!!!! :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by clfarms1
Glad you got it going.
Great on getting it fixed! Now just post photos and GPS coordinates of Cedar piles .:biggrin
winner winner chicken dinner glad you got it goimg and that is all that it was