How many of you long line with two jigs per pole? What do you think are the pros/cons of doing so?
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How many of you long line with two jigs per pole? What do you think are the pros/cons of doing so?
If I pull double jigs it is usually 2 1/32oz jigs with a southern pro body. 6 lbs test line running .7 mph. The depth will run between 9 and 11 fow. This is about the same as a 1/16 oz jig will run. and sometimes you will get a double on one rod. The cons to it is it is hard to fish in really shallow water you have to speed up to much for it to work right. but it can be done. you are always hanging up if there are stumps in the area.If you want to learn about depths and different jig weights check out on you tube Kelly Matthews on making a 1/24 oz jig mould. He gives some really good information on jig size speed and depth they will run. it will get you in the ball park.
I almost always run two. It's a numbers game and can try different colors and weights. Only time I don't double is in really shallow structure filled areas and when pulling road runner type heads.
I don't long line a ton, but when I do I almost always have two baits. To me, the obvious side is that is appears that the trailing bait might be an easier, weaker target for fish. On the other side, it could also appears like one is chasing the other. Another reason I like it is because I'm adding weight to my rig. I've caught a good amount of fish with less than 30' of line out. When you put two 1/8 oz or an 1/8 and a 1/16 on one line, it doesn't take much to get the bait down to 8-14', which is the area I target most. The less line I have out, the tighter I can make turns without getting crossed up.
It is also a good way to fish 2 depths at the same time.
going to try two 1/32oz on half my poles next time out and see how it works. Been long lining for 20 years and have never tried it for some reason.
What is your preferred method of tying the upper jig on this set-up? I've seen and used a couple of different styles but haven't settled in to which is the best for my presentation.
I'm gonna try a loop knot for bothQuote:
Originally Posted by sliderman
I've found a small loop works pretty good. Too short and it will end up too close to the main line. Too long and the jig ends up wrapped around the main line. The loop seems to weaken the main line to some degree which could cost you a good fish. Just curious as to what others are doing. I haven't tried it yet but am looking at tying a prusik knot. That should do away with the main line weakening issue AND allow the knot to be adjusted for varying depths. Not to mention the ease in adding or removing jigs as conditions change. Haven't tried it out on mono yet so I'm not sure of the results. I do use that knot a lot while deer hunting and it's a good one. The only issue I'm trying to overcome is that a tag line may be necessary in order to upright the jig. The loop of a prusik knot will be in the vertical which will greatly effect the action of the jig by laying it over on it's side.
I use a crossline 3-way swivel. Tie 1` on the center to 1/8 or 1/6 jig. Then tie 4` leader to 1/32 or 1/24. This makes the trailing jig ride a little higher then the lead jig and about 3` behind. When fish come up for the lead jig and miss it, the trailing jig comes by above the fish in sight. If it where lower the fish mite not see it. When fish are schooled several fish may come up competeing for the bait, great chance for 2!!! Useing the swivel lets me change the lead jig easyer and faster then if useing along loop knot in mainline. I`ve tryed a few differant rigs this is what works for me. when I tryed to fish heavy jig on bottom, light jig on top to seperate 2` to 3` apart top jig twisted up on mainline most of the time with or without swivel.
Palomar knot with extra long tag end (which becomes the leader for the lower jig).Quote:
Originally Posted by sliderman
When your longlining your not fishing 2 depths at the same time, the difference In depth between the two is very small. Longlining gives a horizontal presentation with lines behind the boat, not vertical like jigging and tightlining. The reason for using 2 baits isn't to cover 2 different depths, it's to have out more colors, and more hooks in the water which increases your chance of a hookup. I think the first bait may draw attention and when they check it out the 2nd bait flys by and BAM!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by High Bridge Hooker
I was going to say the same thing after reading the replies!Quote:
Originally Posted by Southern Young Gun
Bfish, have you ever tried a loop knot for the top bait? It works much better. With a loop knot the bait will seperate from the main line and allow the fish to suck the bait down without bumping into the main line, feeling it, and spitting out the bait. Just a suggestionQuote:
Originally Posted by bfish
I fish the ohio river a lot and we use sibiki rigs for bait fishing. the crappie tend to like them too. these are 6 pre tied flies on a five foot or so leader. I have used these fly rigs on other waters with good results. I just cut them down to whatever legal hook limit is.
they are less than $3 a pack and if you cut them to two hooks you get three rigs for the price of one.
Yes I have. I mostly am using flourocarbon leader (with braid mainline), so I don't like the loop knot. If I were using mono/copoly, I agree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Southern Young Gun
Explain??? Are you doing this for clear water? Why the braid? Both these type lines sink and have little stretch. I like stretch for longlining pulling in paper mouths, but if it is for clear water, deep water or combination of the two. Then I am curious.Quote:
Originally Posted by bfish
Well tried two 1/32 on half my poles and just one 1/16 on the others. Two 1/32 seemed to drop a whole lot deeper and were a pain when turning, drop to fast. Gonna take some getting use to, plus with me it's hard to change and old dog.
I am also curious of this method. It shouldn't matter what type line you use, a loop knot to me works better. If you tie the top jig directly to the main line they can't suck it in as easy, and they feel the pressure from the main line going directly to the rod.....imagine trying to fit a chicken nugget in your mouth with a string running through the middle and hanging out of both ends.....you cant get it in your mouth without feeling the string, you would want to spit it out. If only one end has a string you can pretty much eat the entire thing before feeling the string.......just my thinking on the matter. This is what the loop knot does.......Quote:
Originally Posted by bfish
How long of a loop do you make. I,m thinking maybe 1/2 to 1in. on the bottom but might need to be longer on the top.
I use a 5-6" and sometimes longer if I am going faster than normal. If you use a little bitty loop knot the jig will still run pretty much directly on the main line, you have to give it some room to seperate from the main line when your pulling it through the waterQuote:
Originally Posted by LR77
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Originally Posted by crappielimits
Braid is cause I use the same rods for single poling and pushing. Which for those methods, I much prefer braid. Mono/Copoly is fine for longlining but I am not changing everything up for just when I longline, so I just add a flouro leader. I could just as easily use mono for a leader but I don't. With flouro, I had a bunch of breakage with the loop knot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Southern Young Gun
I have had no more or less success using or not using the loop knot. In other words, can't say I have noticed a difference in catch rate. I usually use 1/16 oz on both and go 0.6 (plus or minus 0.2).
You must be using old line if your having break offs with loop knots. I use 4lb test when longlining and net fish over 2lb regularly. If it works for you that's all that matters, loop knots just work better for me. Good luck!
I too have more hook ups on a loop knot! I use a 3 inch or so leader. The loop knot gets more hook ups in the top of the mouth where it is harder. This means less fish lost on way to the boat. I wrap my loop knot 3 times and never had on slip or break on a fish. I fish lite wire hooks mostly when in structure and occasionally have a striper straighten a hook. I was curious if you were using for a deep water tactic. Thanks!
Are you guys saying use a 3-4in. loop for top and bottom rig or just for top.
Also, do you think it would hurt anything if you put a small barrel swivel above the top rig, say 6-8in. Then if you decided to tightline, you could cut your line above the swivel, slide on weight, retie and be set up to tightline if the fish were deep.
The top jig definitely needs to have a loop, you can get by without at the bottom. I don't like swivels or any other non essential tackle on my line. It adds drag and weight, which takes away from the action of the baits. I would recommend having specialized set ups for tightlining and others for long lining. I also would be patient with whichever tactic I started the day out with and try not to swap. When I push or tight line i move my rod holders to straight out of then front of the boat. This is to get baits to the fish before the trolling motor or boat. Also gives me a better view and reach to all rods.Quote:
Originally Posted by LR77
When I longline rod holders are on each side of my seat. This allows for a larger spread and with the use of different size rods it keeps lines separated. This way gives you less tangles. Again all rods are within reach, but not as easy to see. Though, most fish hook themselves while long lining.