something we were playing with just thought I would throw it at you guys to see want you think.
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something we were playing with just thought I would throw it at you guys to see want you think.
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Sir I would like to say you are master of copying other peoples jig. The reason I say this, I went to your sight and the jelly jig that you are selling is a copy of the Hal-Fly jigs that are or were made in Ga. Also the new jig, as you call it, I have made for some thirty odd Years. So Please Try To Make something of your own for a change. I'm not mad at anyone just trying to understand some people.
In reality, everything that EVERYONE ties is a self interpretation, or to use your words, a copy of something else from days, years, or even decades ago. Yes, even what you tie ROOTY. Dig through your box and really take a look at your own work. Personally speaking, if that is how you really feel, don't you too copy or try and imitate a particular tie? Or, is every tie you've ever produced your own idea?Quote:
Originally Posted by R00tyT00ty309
Keep goi g Snake, I like your stuff!
The jelly jig has been going around this site for years and are made by many people. As far as the last jig that was posted by Snake River and the comparison to your Rooty Tooty Jig, I have held both in my hands side by side and they look nothing alike. They are not made out of the same material, tied the same or anything else. I guess they both have a hook in them and are made out of lead. :dono As for this newest jig, I myself have seen nothing like it. I will admit that I have not seen every jig ever made though.
What I would recommend is to know who you are talking to and what their back ground is, before talking to someone in the manner in which you just spoke to Snake River. I could be wrong though, maybe they do things differently on the East Coast then we do in the middle of the country. I just think it was out of line to make that large of a blanket statement about anybody that you do not know.
I will shut up now so I do not get the ban hammer. I just can't sit by and let someone talk about someone I consider a friend in that manner.
Thanks for reading,
Michael
aka Bobo
Looks great
Tom accept my apologize though neither one of our jigs are exactly the same Tom I will no longer use the resemblance to your jig I will not try to sell it on the Internet or on my website case closed.Quote:
Originally Posted by R00tyT00ty309
the jelly jig I bought the molds from micro spoons quite a few years ago I know nothing about the gentleman that you mentioned but I was told by Keith from microphones that I had every right to make the Jolly jigs I will not stop making them if the please go take a look at Bass Pro there jig lineup you will see the jelly jig we've had the molds for over 10 years , consider you a good person you make a fine jig keep up the good work but sooner or later your idea will be taken away from you by one of the big boys and that is plain fact I am not a person to steal ideals from other people I have never stolen yours really I modified it and use different materials so Tom we will not try to duplicate anything close to yours again I wish you all the best in the world have a nice Thanksgiving Tom.
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Holy Moley am I glad I just do R&D for giggles and a shot of moonshine . Keeping tackle fun.:crazy:
I don't see the big deal. I used to tie flies for trout fishing. The same patterns were tied and sold by many folks. For example, a Woolley booger. Tied and sold by many a folks and in every fly shop. If someone doesn't want a clone of there tie, then a patent would be the best thing to do but good luck on that. I think slab said it best every jig is a modified version of some one else's down the line somewhere probably, just my opinion.
I,m going to come up with an original one of these days and I bet know one will copy it are won't to.
I'll show ya" just wait I'll show ya.:Rofl
And i'm going to sell about a million copy's and that's going to b my ticket out of the poor house
I WILL! Seriously! Lol
Great tie! I'm really liking those rubber legs!
Bob don't give up so easy. Unless old Rooty Tooty was tying them in the early 1960's then he is copying some one else. Even some of the of the new patterns that you guys come up with today and think that they are NEW. Well ask some of us geezers when we first saw them. Pondhopper who post in the plastic pours section is about as old as me and has been about as active as me and we talk all the time about all the old patterns that we are seeing again. I started tying in the 1950's tied commercial from about 1969 or 1970 to the 1990's when I quite. Have I been around the block you bet. I have seen patterns come and patterns go.
Case in point one of my mentors tied up 7 patterns back in 1947 some of the first jigs to be tied in the Midwest. One of the best ones he had was one called Blue Tail Fly. It took until 1955 for Doll fly to come out with the same pattern and selling the heck out of if and it was a direct copy of his pattern. The same man tied one call Worden's Worry. This was a old New England streamer pattern but he never took credit for creating this pattern. Only for tying it correctly so that it would catch fish.
Mr. Tom Just a little advice from a old beat up, broke down, Jig tier with 50 years under his belt that has seen more and done more that 95 % of the people that post on this or any other board on the web. Take the beam out of your own eye before trying to remove the splinter out of your neighbors. Yours ain't original ether. I saw some of the first that Paul Weiland and Jim Stone made them for use on yellow perch in Lake Okoboji Iowa. They got the material from Wapsi Fly back when Lacy Ghee owned it when it was in Independence, Iowa. That was some time in the early 1960's.
BTW is the Rooty Tooty jig copyrighted? Does it have a patient? If not you have no leg to stand on. Plus I am surprised that Capitol Records has not contacted you for infringement of the Rooty Tooty name as it was copyrighted as the name of a song written by Fred Rose and preformed by Hank Williams Sr.
Redman
P. S. Skip If i am out of line you know the number.
A person can do like i did and just say here is my variation of a someone else's. There are no patents on all the jigs tied here and other places. Just be happy someone else is tying a jig or bug like yours because all of them are variations of others who have preceded us. I have no bone in this but if someone copied me then i would be happy cause they thought it was worthy of tying. Happy holidays tie, pour jigs, and sell to the willing consumer. :-)
personally it is an artform I didnt want to copy no one so I came up with my own style of tying where the butt of the jig is exposed I have seen only one person copy the way I tie and that person bought from me to put in his bait shop then disected the jig and posted pics of it here on this forum there are still some creative people doing this in this age of copy everything you see and re sale
I think it's a huge reach to believe everyone that comes up with a jig or anything that is like someone else's jig and then to say they copied that one. Who is to say they even ever saw the other persons jig? Don't any of you think 2 different people can come up with something that is very close to each other? Seems to me the longer someone has been tying a jig the sooner someone else will come up with something close even if they never saw the original.
personally I have tied about every color combo that one could imagine and I know a lot of guys tie their jigs based on how I tie mine, so what? Get a grip and if your product is good enough then your customers should not stop buying from you in the first place.
I just dont get it Donnie. There are a zillion 6 foot spinning rods out here produced and made from IM6 material. Should all companies quit producing them and just one company sell them? Some companies put more expensive eyelets or cork or foam on the rod to personalize it for their buisiness. Is it a copy, does it really matter if it is a copy? Just beating a dead horse on this stuff. Take a look on ebay and see all the clones being sold by folks. It's there tie but a clone from someone at some point in time. A lead head jig with a chenille body and a feather tail has been around for ages. If one decides to put a rubber tail is put in place of a feather is that a copy?? Don't know any of you folks so not picking one side or other. I just dont see why some folks may be sensitive on this?? May be someone will enlighten me.
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Originally Posted by arkansasbowhunter
KEWL! Send me a bakers dozen and I'll do my best to make you happy!:Rofl:Rofl Serious though, I have in my box many many commercially tied jigs as do all of us or most all of us. Some catch fish, many never have. I am not in this hobby to make money or save money. I started tying jigs because I wanted the satisfaction of catching fish on something that I tied myself, whether I intentially or unintentially copied something I've seen before. I can promise you that there will be many jigs in my arsenal that will eventually look like something that someone else has tied.
I just hope I reach the point at some time that I CAN copy some of the ties I've seen on this thread since I've joined as there are some absolutely fantastic tiers on this forum. :notworthy If I do, then I will mean no disrespect but will have the inner feeling that "HEY, I DID IT!
Well said crappie papa.Quote:
Originally Posted by crappiepappa
When i learned i tie in a fly club we would all sit and watch one of the seasoned vets tie. They never thought that well this is my fly pattern and i am not gonna show ya how to tie it. A different mentality i guess than some people have. Nothing wrong with taking a jig apart and learning how someone tied it. Take that knowledge and put your own spin on it makes it your tie!! still don't get what and why some of you guys are upset. Enlighten me please!
Let's let this rest and I will close this thread.