Home defense shotgun info

A typical home defense shotgun loaded with typical 00 buckshot will deliver a shot pattern only about 7" wide at 20 feet? That's smaller than most dinner plates! The general rule of thumb is 1" of expansion per yard, so at 3 yards (where most self defense shootings take place, or less) you'll only get a pattern about the size of a man's fist! While they may still be the ideal home defense firearm and are still very deadly, don't buy into the myth that "you don't have to aim - just point and pull the trigger" with a 12ga shotgun!!

Take that 00 buck out. Use bird shot that won't penetrate walls as much. Think about what's on the other side

In the south u would have to have a death wish to take your chances against a redneck and a shotgun. I would rather someone shoot at me with a pistol. Inside of 50 yards I don't think there is anyway to miss. I was taught to point my shotgun by the way:):):):biggrin

Mine's loaded with #6. All 8 of em. Don't come a tippin down Greer road.

Wannabe...

I have my hands and feet. OK a couple swords that'll lop an arm off as well

Might be right Maj. but you got 5 shots or more also I think #4 shot will give a good pattern.

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Originally Posted by jimfish

Might be right Maj. but you got 5 shots or more also I think #4 shot will give a good pattern.

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that #4 shot will do more than give a good pattern it also will give a attention getting !!!
what I have loaded in my 12ga 1st round #4 , 2nd round slug ,3,4,5 00 buck !!!

I use #6 and 71/2 on coyotes. One oz. shot, 2 3/4 dram equiv. powder. Dropping them at 40 yds.

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Originally Posted by DonDon

I have my hands and feet. OK a couple swords that'll lop an arm off as well

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put your left foot on his right jaw Billy Jack, just don't tear him up to bad with them new boots, LOL

#7 or #8 works good too. 10 gauge browning gonna light em up

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Originally Posted by rducks123

#7 or #8 works good too. 10 gauge browning gonna light em up

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can't hide money

3" steel BB works good for ducks and geese hope to never find out how well it works on people.

I used T's for the long shots

Benelli and Beretta shotguns for early season ducks

Sawed off shotgun wil spread out like a car hood.

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Originally Posted by rducks123

Benelli and Beretta shotguns for early season ducks

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Just can't hide it :deadhorse

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Originally Posted by ducker

Just can't hide it :deadhorse

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I've heard that but I wouldn't know anything about it...Summer is over and the can business has hit the crapper............

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Originally Posted by rducks123

I've heard that but I wouldn't know anything about it...Summer is over and the can business has hit the crapper............

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Yeah it's bout time to stop drinking the bullets and move over to the makers or Lucy.

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Originally Posted by hotrod1

Sawed off shotgun wil spread out like a car hood.

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Yep. If I am going to have to shoot someone in self defense, I am not worried about how many inches my barrel is to short. Not that I would have an illegal weapon in my house, but it is amazing what kind of pattern an 12 inch barrel will throw. (And you could create your own with a simple hack-saw.) Not that I would ever encourage anybody to create an unauthorized and potentially illegal weapon....... EDIT < This is in no way to be considered a suggestion, simply an observation!> EDIT

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Originally Posted by Iwannafish

Yep. If I am going to have to shoot someone in self defense, I am not worried about how many inches my barrel is to short. Not that I would have an illegal weapon in my house, but it is amazing what kind of pattern an 12 inch barrel will throw. (And you could create your own with a simple hack-saw.) Not that I would ever encourage anybody to create an unauthorized and potentially illegal weapon....... EDIT &lt; This is in no way to be considered a suggestion, simply an observation!&gt; EDIT

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Its a felony offense if you get caught with one......big fine and possible jail time

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Originally Posted by DonDon

I have my hands and feet. OK a couple swords that'll lop an arm off as well

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Martial Arts Training has it's place, but in an intruder situation a firearm of any type is one's best option. The best example I have ever seen about Martial Arts and years of training versus a firearm was in the movie Raiders of the lost Ark. In one scene a big guy with years of training in Martial Arts and Swords was coming after Harrison Ford. The dude was doing his thing swinging his Sword ready to take Ford out. Ford turned around and without hesitation pulled his pistol and shot the guy. My daughter has a Black Belt in Martial Arts but still has a handgun for protection as well. This is just my opinion.

#1 BUCKSHOT , IN A IMPROVED CYLINDER IS AN ATTENTION GETTER .:twocents

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Originally Posted by Iwannafish

Yep. If I am going to have to shoot someone in self defense, I am not worried about how many inches my barrel is to short. Not that I would have an illegal weapon in my house, but it is amazing what kind of pattern an 12 inch barrel will throw. (And you could create your own with a simple hack-saw.) Not that I would ever encourage anybody to create an unauthorized and potentially illegal weapon....... EDIT < This is in no way to be considered a suggestion, simply an observation!> EDIT

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I was discussing that very thing with an old pal ,Randy Weaver, up on Ruby Ridge. Haven't seen him for a while. Wonder what he is up to.

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Originally Posted by spindle

Martial Arts Training has it's place, but in an intruder situation a firearm of any type is one's best option. The best example I have ever seen about Martial Arts and years of training versus a firearm was in the movie Raiders of the lost Ark. In one scene a big guy with years of training in Martial Arts and Swords was coming after Harrison Ford. The dude was doing his thing swinging his Sword ready to take Ford out. Ford turned around and without hesitation pulled his pistol and shot the guy. My daughter has a Black Belt in Martial Arts but still has a handgun for protection as well. This is just my opinion.

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X2 and if they're an intruder they more than likely have a gun. Not gonna take martial arts to a gun fight myself

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Originally Posted by Gomer Snerd

I was discussing that very thing with an old pal ,Randy Weaver, up on Ruby Ridge. Haven't seen him for a while. Wonder what he is up to.

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Doing pretty good last I heard. Although, I do seem to remember reading somewhere, probably Wikipedia as that's where most of my news comes from, that he was now an atheist, so I suppose he ain't doing all that good.

My mama's method of home defense is probably the best, though. Good ole praying does a lot of good.

Actually, Short barreled shotguns are not illegal, just "well regulated" to quote my favorite amendment...... If interested, read on....“Why are sawed-off shotguns illegal?” A more important question to ask is, “Are sawed-off shotguns illegal?” The answer to that question is “No.” Despite what many people believe, it is, in fact, legal to own a sawed-off shotgun, or, in legal terms, a short-barrel shotgun. The reason many assume that such weapons are illegal is that they are very tightly controlled and regulated by the federal government, resulting in legally-owned short-barrel shotguns (or rifles, for that matter) being a rarity among the general population.
Before the 1930′s there was little, if any, legislation regulating the sale, manufacture, and/or transfer of firearms between individuals. Thus it was possible to own a short-barrel shotgun. However, the rise of organized crime began to frighten the public with stories of gangsters injuring and killing civilians, often outgunning the authorities who pursued them. The federal government responded by passing the National Firearms Act of 1934. Originally intended as a weapons ban, it was passed as a regulatory effort impacting two types of weapons: machine guns and short-barrel shotguns/rifles.
The Act defined a short-barrel shotgun/rifle as having a barrel less than 18 inches in length. In order to own a short-barrel shotgun, or to transfer it to another person, one had to pay a $200 tax (a very high dollar amount in the 1930′s) and register the weapon. Violating the law resulted in a $2,000 fine, 5 years imprisonment, or both. The law was initially regulated and enforced by the Alcohol Tax Unit (ATU) of the Treasury Department’s Bureau of Internal Revenue, the forerunner of today’s Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, more commonly known as the ATF. The ATF still regulates the ownership and transfer of short-barrel shotguns.

And the fine today is up to 10 grand from what google is telling me

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Originally Posted by "G"

And the fine today is up to 10 grand from what google is telling me

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Yep.... Inflation! But the permit is still just $200, just like it was in 1934!

amazing

Dont have a shotgun that I would want to ruin by cutting the barrel down.I have a rem 870 that I bought new in 1962 think I paid about $68 for it and it is in mint condition.The savage I just bought has a 18.5 in barrel and that's all I need don't intend to walk around in public with it,have carry pemit for something less visable.

I was not actually suggesting that you cut one down, just that it was possible. Actually, I have been reading the National Firearms Act of 1934, and I am not sure that you can register a "homemade" short barreled shotgun. Believe it or not, the law is rather confusing!!!

My Dad always taught me not to bring a knife (or feets, even bigfeets) to a gun fight. Just sayin

Randy isn't doing all that good. Who would be?? neither is his wife or kid.

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Originally Posted by Gomer Snerd

Randy isn't doing all that good. Who would be?? neither is his wife or kid.

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Last I recall he was doing pretty fair...for an atheist, and his wife and kid have nothing to worry about, if I remember the story correctly. They were Christians if memory is serving me.

Buddy of mine actually has some loads that he done himself. Take a piece of steel leader about 12 inches long and about 10 big split shot and crimp them with pliers about an inch apart on the steel leader, then uncrimp a shotgun shell and dump it out leaving the powder and primer in there and place the steel leader and split shot in and recrimp the the shell, he said when you pull the trigger it will cut their arse half into when it hits them.:biggrin