What this kansas State wants to take over the Corp campgrounds in kansas

I think they should leave the campgrounds to the corp to manage. Every time the state gets evolved they screw it up. They will increase the fees and just take the money and not reinvest it in the campgrounds. About ten years ago they did the same thing with the park money and got caught. Need some feedback on this and maybe call your congressman. Their just looking for some place to get some money to balance their budget. They give all these tax breaks to big corporation and then come get the money from the little guy. remember they just took away the old guys free fishing license. Where will they stop?

I agree that they shouldn't be mettling with COE campgrounds. I also remember them taking away the free senior fishing license and don't disagree with that.

Only advantage I can think of is if they allowed you to enter all the COE campgrounds with your sticker anytime you want. Right now allot of the COE campgrounds are closed to recreation from the bank unless you pay the daily camping fee. We push this take a kid fishing and pay tax dollars for our outdoor area's when every year more and more ground gets chalked up as unaccessable. Last year on many lakes I watched the campgrounds sit empty on weekdays yet no one was allowed to enter to fish. Either way you can bet you would have to get your wallet out just like everything else that they know people will pay there money for.

Where did we hear this?

It's all over ! Local tv news and Web It's wortha Google!

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In the corp campgrounds you can buy a year permit to launch your boat for 25 bucks. If you just want to park in a federal area it cost you nothing. The state charges anyone driving into the park a fee. So let me see which is better for the end user.

State is trying to make a money grab
Most Corp grounds are better maintained than state anyway.

I guess what I am saying for example on Milford you cannot enter ie. Curtis Creek or Farnum Creek for the day to bank fish unless you are gonna pay the daily fee for camping in there. I agree there is allot of federal ground that you could park for free but not on these lakeside campgrounds. You are also buying a year permit to launch your boat for 20 bucks when you buy a state sticker as well. Not saying I want the state to take over just saying we are gonna pay our fee's either way.

As far as maintenance my two most visited reserviors are Milford and Glen Elder which both have well maintained state parks. Some of the COE parks that I have been to throughout the state have been dumpy though for instance Marion's. I was beginning to wonder if I was in an ATV park drving into several if its area's and it is all COE. Was just curious what others are seeing in there area's in relation to this.

Which campgrounds at marion are you referring to? I thought the hillsboro and cottonwood campgrounds are pretty nice unless you are talking about when the lake was up 4ft and flooded over half the sites.

I fish more of the west end Durhan Public Use Area for example which is still a camping area!

Hmm, durham and french creek are really primitive sites. Those don't get hardly any attention like the other two on the south end. I understand you now.

It seems to me the a lot of the Western Lakes the corp areas are not as good as the States. The Eastern lakes corp areas are as good as the States. I do not know of any corp area in Eastern Kansas that charges you to fish from bank. I do not fish from the back very often but have never been ask for money when I do.

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It seems to me the a lot of the Western Lakes the corp areas are not as good as the States. The Eastern lakes corp areas are as good as the States. I do not know of any corp area in Eastern Kansas that charges you to fish from bank. I do not fish from the back very often but have never been ask for money when I do.

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Yah that was another problem that I had with them wanting to charge me the camping fee over here at milford. There rule on being in there is not consistant with not only a few other campgrounds on the lake but also other corp campgrounds in other lakes. Pointing out this fact did not do me any good with the campground attendent or the corp workers. You can find yourself in this situation at Wilson too. On windy days I try to hit spots like this up as I have found good locations.

Can't speak for every lake, but it is kind of odd on lakes like Tuttle, where half of the parks are state and half are corps. You buy a permit and it's good at half the ramps, but not the other half... From a maintenance and management standpoint, I'm sure they figure it would be more cost-effective to just have it all under one roof.

On the other hand, having both corps campgrounds/ramps and state campgrounds/ramps available at a lake probably keeps the price to the end user in check. I suppose if the state had total control of all the ramps and campgrounds, they could charge whatever they want.

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Originally Posted by Blackdog40

It seems to me the a lot of the Western Lakes the corp areas are not as good as the States. The Eastern lakes corp areas are as good as the States. I do not know of any corp area in Eastern Kansas that charges you to fish from bank. I do not fish from the back very often but have never been ask for money when I do.

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Some of that is also KC/Tulsa district agendas. The COE wants out, and it sounds inevitable of a mgmt change. Be a good voter and contact your reps now, afterwards is too late.

I launch a lot from Curtis Creek state ramp as well as School creek. I will admit the COE camp hosts at Curtis can be a 'Course" lot to deal with so if it standardizes all the ramps on the lake I am good with it.....I don't camp there as my back field has a better view. No one there now so you can walk in and fish.