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people like me that fish with one rod and enjoy the peace of being on the lake wont be able to catch a fish because of these vacuum cleaners. Might as well make it legal to crappie fish with gill nets. Just my two cents.
Maybe you need a new neighborhood to hang out in, as you clearly dont like this one. Keep your two cents as i dont feel it's needed here.Quote:
Originally Posted by crossarm
Giving your two cents is one thing, but coming on here and complaining how members are legally fishing will not get you anything but silence. Just my :twocents.Quote:
Originally Posted by crossarm
Give kleenex a call as they might sponsor you.....Quote:
Originally Posted by crossarm
Just out of curiosity. If you take a client out for a half day and you both catch a limit and you have another client booked that afternoon. Do you fish that afternoon or do you just let him fish? May not happen on the pontoon I understand with a group but in the bass boat it could. I've always wondered how guides handle this situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kicknbass
crossarm is entitled to his opinion just like all of us, everyone may not agree but he's still entitled to voice it. It would be pretty a boring place if we all liked the same stuff.
That was me running the trolling motor in the video. How many crappie can you keep per day fishing with one rod? You can keep 20, so can I. If I catch my 20 on 20 rods, how is that any different legally than what you are doing? You catch 20 and you are done, so am I. So you would be willing to see me stopped from fishing the way I choose to just because you don't fish that way? I could probably come up with a dozen things you do that I don't do the same way but that doesn't mean I'm going to try to get you to stop doing things your way just because I choose to do it differently. I don't care how you fish but I don't think you should be critical of me and all the hundreds of other crappie fishermen on this site who do things differently than the way you think we should.Quote:
Originally Posted by crossarm
There. I was nicer than I was to the last guy who had just a few more posts than this guy.
Alright ... everyone just relax & don't get your panties in a wad. The man said his peace, and is entitled to his opinion. We all agree to disagree, & be civil about it ... remember ??
... cp :kewl
Justin, hopefully Randy or Rich or both will answer your question. Since I was in the video but I do not guide, I will not try to answer because I really have no idea how they do things you asked about.Quote:
Originally Posted by justinp61
I am primarily a "2 poler" but enjoy spider rig'n as well. Just because you're drag'n a lot of baits behind the boat doesn't mean you're gonna limit every time. Some days different techniques work better than others.Quote:
Originally Posted by crossarm
There have been many days that I have been 2 pole'n and jump'n brush piles and smoked every spider rigger, long liner, & crank puller in the bay. Then there have been days that are the other way around. Either way I fish, I am constrained by the legal limit and my ethics as a sportsman. There's an art to spider rig'n, long line'n, and pull'n cranks. You can't just go out and throw a few crank baits over the side or multiple poles over the bow or stern of the boat and expect to catch fish every time. It ain't gonna happen.
While I understand and can appreciate your "Purest" approach to crappie fish'n, I also respect other's rights to fish the way they choose.
The reason I started spider rig'n was not because it was "easy" to catch more fish. It was because my dad is 79 and loves crappie fish'n, but has severe Arthritis in his hands and shoulders and can't hold a rod all day without being in pain. Spider rig'n allows me to take him out for an enjoyable day of fishing & I have the comfort of knowing he's not suffer'n thru it. I could do the same pull'n cranks or long line'n.
Try to be open minded... As long as they are following the rules, and abiding by the size & limit regs., I'm good with any way a person chooses to crappie fish. You should be too.
And that's just my :twocents .
I agree with the gentlemen, my opinion is that's hurting the fishery but I'm not a biologist neither. I single or 2 pole also, I just wish that ky would put a rod limit in place. I have witnessed boats with more than what some consider manageable rods sticking out of every know space and only one or two people on board. Prime example, seen a single pontoon with just one man one board and I counted 15 rods being used.
I want our lakes to be the mecca, to be just like Grenada. I wish for rod resrictions, boat limit in place and increase our minimum size to at least 11 inches. The most important thing here to remember is to protect and better our resource. Just my 2 cents.......
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Originally Posted by bandchaser
bandchaset can you explain "boat limit"? One or the things I've learned over the years is that good fishermen will catch fish regardless of the method used. Years ago I didn't think I'd like spider rigging, but I finally went with some guys I worked with and had a blast. I've been hooked ever since. Same with two poling I'd never tried it either, a few years ago I went with a guy that catches a lot of fish two poling, again I was hooked. I'm afraid to try trolling cranks :biggrin.
From what I've seen the guys that catch the most fish year round are the guys that are adaptable and use several methods depending on the time of year, lake conditions and weather. Spider rigging, trolling cranks, two polling and any other method are just tools in the fisherman's box. Just like carpenters box, skil saws, miter saws and reciprocating saws, they all cut but are designed different applications. Nothing more than tools to do a particular job.:twocents
[QUOTE=justinp61;2479049]Just out of curiosity. If you take a client out for a half day and you both catch a limit and you have another client booked that afternoon. Do you fish that afternoon or do you just let him fish? May not happen on the pontoon I understand with a group but in the bass boat it could. I've always wondered how guides handle this situation.
crossarm is entitled to his opinion just like all of us, everyone may not agree but he's still entitled to voice it. It would be pretty a boring place if we all liked the same stuff.[/QUOT
Justin61,
Thanks for the post ...
Kick'n Bass philosophy is the client should keep what they can eat and release the rest and adhere to the creel, size and possession limits set forth by KDFWR.
Kick'n Bass Guide Service policy is as follows ...Keep in mind this is our policy and is well within the state regulations.
- The guides limit is NOT in addition to the clients. In other words if you are fishing with 2 clients, their crappie limit is 20 each and 40 total.
- The guide has the option to fish but if the guide would catch say 10 fish then the remaining total would be 30 for the two clients.
- The number of fish caught, regardless of how many trips in a days time, is subject to the daily creel limit. The daily creel limit on crappie is 20. If the guide catches 10 during the first trip he allowed only to catch 10 during the second trip. Once the guide reaches the 20 fish limit the guide must cease fishing. The same applies to not just guides but other anglers as well.
My experience has been that very few folks want a good mess but rarely do we keep limits of fish especially when multiple clients are involved. The clients understand and are sensitive to the fact that protecting the resource is Priority #1.
RK
You can fish in the state of Illinois. They will only allow you 3 poles if you are moving and 2 if you are not. They will also tell you how many hooks you can use.
Now thats fishin!!
Why does it matter if the guy had 15 poles on the pontoon?
If he only keeps the legal lenght and the legal limit why does it matter?
This is still the land of the FREE! As long as you stay inside the laws.
My goodness can't we find a way to help each other instead of complane?
This is a great fishing forum don't screw it up with your negative waves.
Make some friends on here there are a ton of great people on here. I have made friends all over the midwest parts of the south east KY and PA.
Positive Waves man positive waves!
Have a great day
Oh by the way Randy thanks for the very well done video. I have caught some of the others on utube they are all done very well. You make me jealous. I wish I was retired and could do cool stuff like that. I have heard all about the crank bait crappie fishin and I want to give it a try. I think that under the right conditions that would be the way to go.
In my opinion it would be like changing colors until you find the right one. Just a differant way to catch crappie when 2 poleing ain't workin.
I have only meet Randy a time or two. But I have know Rich for 3-4 years now (Also met thru crappie dot com) Both are good stand up guys.
And the Kick'in Bass Guide Service policy just proves it to me.
Keep up the great work fellas. I am sure the older folks you take out enjoy catching fish no matter what the method.
Mississippi has a boat limit on crappie. 20 per person and any boat with more than 2 people has a 50 fish maximum limit. They have 4 major lakes that rank high on the size and quality of crappie because they have raised the bar, to better the natural resource and protect their recource and investment. DNR checking fisherman at ramps to protect the resource. And the fishing is awesome, just got back a few weeks ago, and planning two trips in the spring.
I want our fishery to produce more quality than what we have now, and its really not that hard to do. If Mississippi can reduce their poles person, have a 12" minimum, and produce that kind of fishing then Kentucky can too.
Thanks Randy.
Crossarm ...
First let me say that Kick'n Bass Guide Service feels it's a privilege to be able to take our clients fishing on Kentucky Lake and the great times we have sharing this wonderful resource with our clients is truly a blessing.
After reading your comments I felt it was appropriate to make you aware of some of the things Kick'n Bass Guide Service does to protect our valuable resource.
As you know creel limits in place to protect our valuable fisheries. The KDFWR has determined the need and placed guidelines and regulations to ensure compliance and prevent over harvesting the resource.
What is the difference between someone catching a limit using jigs,dunking minnows, etc. and catching a limit trolling? Nothing, a limit is a limit. It makes no difference HOW you catch them as long as it is done using legal angling methods and done in the within size the creel limits.
We have not had the pleasure of fishing with you. If we had you would know that Kick"n Bass promotes catch and release regardless of the species and we make it a habit to inform our clients of size and creel regulations at the beginning of each trip. Doing so alleviates misunderstandings and sets the tone for a good trip for the client. At that time we give our clients the option of harvesting LESS than their limit and we actually suggest it. In other words we lean towards harvesting LESS than the allowable amount of fish keeping with our "keep what you can eat and release the rest" policy. Besides we too want to have more fish available for our clients and future trips.
The day we did the TV show there were 4 licensed fishermen aboard. The creel limit was 20 per person or 80 fish total. We harvested 20 fish.
Respectfully Yours,
Kick"n Bass
Thanks for the Vid enjoyed and thanks for the Tip's!! Single pole,pullen,spidder rigging,minnows, you still got to find the Fish(crappie) before you can catch them!!!!
Mississippi's big three would probably fit inside KY & Barkley Lakes, and there'd still be thousands of acres of water left. Mississippi also has a longer growing season, & likely faster growing fish. With that in mind, I doubt reducing the number of poles & raising the size limit would be all that beneficial. Two different regions of the country, different types of lakes, and the growth/aging rate just don't add up to the Ms lakes & Ky lakes being on equal terms.Quote:
Originally Posted by bandchaser
And just some FYI :
Pole limit on Enid, Sardis, & Arkabutla = 5 poles/person
Pole limit on Grenada is 3 poles/person
You want to know what good a 3 pole/person limit does ... just check Weiss Lake, Ala. (hint: they're still having to stock it with Crappie, every year) It ain't how many poles a angler can use, as much as it is how many anglers there are & what that particular lake can produce.
... cp :kewl
I like spider riggin, I also like semi-automatic weapons too. Gives me a better edge. My two cents worth.:twocents
Fyi, Pole limit on Sardis is 3 per person with a 15 fish limit (11 inch) and 40 fish boat limit.
Grenada, Arkabutla and Enid are 20 fish per person, 12 inch per fish and 50 fish per boat per day. Grenada allows 3 poles per person while Arkabutla and Enid allow 5 per person.
Status quo is good for you, while others want to make it better.
I leave those kinds of decisions up to the KDFWR. They do a pretty good job of making the best of the situation at all our varied types of lakes, and allow novices & experienced anglers alike to have the best shot at the greatest number of quality fish that each lake can produce.Quote:
Originally Posted by bandchaser
This same discussion has taken place on the Ms board & the Ala board ... and for the most part, the limited rod rule was not cared for by our members.
Remember too, that just because you see someone with 15 poles out, it don't mean they're catching fish 15 times faster or 15 times as many. They could be stone rookies, just trying to push the odds in their favor, a little.
Depending on the situation, and sometimes the lake, I may fish with one pole or up to four poles ... and I can guarantee you that I'm not "vacuuming" the lake of fish :Rofl
... cp :kewl
Apoligies a little bit. Read some of the posts. Raised a lot of dander aparently. Kickinbass didnt mean to dog you as that was not my intention as you do great on creel limits. Little history about me. My grandfather was fishing crappie on Reelfoot lake in the 1920's. My dad grew up fishing it and moved to ky in the 50's. I watched Barkley fill up when I was 10 years old and have fished it and ky lake all my life. I fish for enjoyment. Guess I'm just old school guy's. Just hope my grandchildren will have crappie to catch with their grandchildren and with good conservationists like you all they will. Hope everyone catches a mess. Good luck cause I probably wont be back on here anymore.
Maybe I'm slow, but would someone explain to me how the number of poles or what's on the end of the lines has any affect on population of fish. If you are truly concerned about populations then decreasing the limit is the key. It seems to me that people who are concerned about number poles or bait used just want to decrease the number of fish others catch while they continue to catch their normal number.
crossarm no point leaving, it's best to just agree to disagree and let t go. There are some good guys here. I think right now the biggest challenge our future crappie fishing faces is bighead and silver carp.
Thanks whiskers will do
Now I'm no crappie specialist, but have a friend who visits several of the southern lakes crappie fishing every year and he tells me that they have a different strain of crappie, black nosed. I've talked to a KDFW officer near me and he tells me that that strain has been introduced into Barren and that they grow quicker and larger. Anyone else heard about this?
Blacknose are nothing more than normal Black Crappie with a pigment gene that causes the stripe. They're usually used as "stock" fish, so the biologists can determine the catch rate percentage without having to chemically treat the stock fish & then remove the otolith for study. All they have to do is look for the stripe on the nose !!Quote:
Originally Posted by slabseeker1
I see no reason why they would grow any quicker or larger than a normal Black Crappie.
I know of several lakes that have Blacknose : Ky/Barkley - Cedar Creek - Paintsville - Watts Bar - Center Hill ... all come to mind. But, they're also stocked in many lakes around the country, plus they are a naturally occurring fish in many lakes & rivers around the country, as well.
Now ... if he were talking about the Magnolia Crappie, that would be a whole other ballgame. The Magnolia Crappie are a triploid hybrid (sterile) ... and one parent is a Blacknose Black Crappie, so the stripe is present. And, being sterile, all of the nourishment they take in is directed towards their own growth, and not on egg/milt production. That allows them to grow faster/larger. The downside to their being sterile is that they have to be replaced, yearly, because they do not produce offspring. Here's the story on the Magnolia Crappie : Alabama - Great Days Outdoors Magazine Fishing, Hunting - Dedicated to Sportsmen and Their Families
... cp :kewl
You are the book of knowledge sir. :ThumbsUp Since my last post I've read several articles and a few parallel your post and two others said that "some seem to think" black nose grow quicker and fight harder. I'm sure writers are like fishermen, tend to stretch the truth to its breaking point. Thanks CP!
I guess what would be the right thing to do is sell our boats and fish with a cane pole from the bank. This would give the crappie the best chance to survive. Well ain't gonna happen here!!!!
Been catching Blacknose for decades, down at Watts Bar Lake ... and been through some lengthy discussions about them on this site. Even had some discussions with a Biologist (on another state forum). If I remember correctly, the "some seem to think" remarks came off a Florida article about Blacknose stocking & lakes where they were naturally occurring.Quote:
Originally Posted by slabseeker1
Now ... I still don't know about them "growing quicker", but I would be one of those that "seems to think" that they fight harder. At least from my experiences with them, they seem to be "a bit more frisky" when hooked. They are the only Crappie of either species, that I've caught, that has leaped completely out of the water when hooked. That's happened on more than one occasion, too ... and one of those jumped completely over the front end of a Tracker TX17, and cleared the boat by more than a foot before landing back in the water ... 3ft from the side of the boat.
... cp :kewl
CP like my dad always said, "If that story ain't true, it otta be". Boy I can't wait till Saturday morning to meet up. I was over by our KDFW office here in Bowing Green today and stopped and shot the breeze with them for awhile and showed them a few pictures just to let them know that they are doing a great job. I asked our local biologist at the office about black nose and he said that they are just plane old black crappie with added gene. They grow as fast and get as big as any other well fed black crappie.