DI / SI screen 898...learning the settings

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10-12-2013, 12:11 AM
slabbacks

DI / SI screen 898...learning the settings

Before leaving today I got a few shots to try and get DI to come in better in deeper water. I also found that this made the SI view change as well.

This shot was DI in 200 only 14 11 off
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...ps5ef78ce2.jpg

200 15 10 off
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...psdd571848.jpg

DI 83khz SI - 13 11 off
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...ps68a39f25.jpg

200/83 14 07 off
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...ps28d74a96.jpg

DI 200/83 14 07 off and after tweeking SI some. better detail in SI IMO, starting to pull out the rocks...not best just better.
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...ps9dd3ca43.jpg

Going up on the Sen. made the rocks in SI come out better it seems and the DI looked better to me with 200/83 14 07 setting at that depth. SI was set to 855 but when the changes to DI was made I noticed that it degraded the SI shot. This means IMO that if changes are made with DI you will then have to flip over and tweek SI some. It seems that unless all settings are just right, I can see why so many say they can not get snapshots like those posted.

When in SI screen only I got some nice snapshots of another bridge after playing with the setting. Learning this DI/SI screen is a bugger.

The reason I'm testing deeper water now is that soon the crappie will move deep to standing timber and drops. I want to get the settings right when attempting to find them. The test I've done in shallower water has already produced slabs and tomorrow I will go up in the river channels and see how these new settings do on deep timber.

Hope this helps some who are having problems, just keep working with those settings but I think that other factors (settings in other screens) also play a part. Anyone with some better info or tips I sure would like to hear from ya.
thx
10-12-2013, 07:53 AM
Don G

slabbacks, great pix but it is funny how people see things differently. I personally like the second picture the best.:donoLet's see what the experts think.

I enjoy looking at your snapshots, keep them coming...
10-12-2013, 07:56 AM
brettw

both are goog
10-12-2013, 07:56 AM
brettw

good, sorry
10-12-2013, 10:22 AM
rnvinc

Was the "Chart Speed" setting the same for all 5 shots....??

Rickie
10-12-2013, 01:00 PM
slabbacks

rickie
chart speed was all set at 4. boat speed was 5 on the 1st shot but I tried to keep this and direction steady after it. plenty of shots with a bridge that looked as though it curved left and right made me see this lol

Don
Around the bridge on the 2nd shot I should have picked up rocks on the channel drop. The last shot I can start to see them better from working in SI settings. I think that direction of travel over a target also plays a part in what shows up as you can see in the angle of the bridge in the shots.

Have you noticed this in shots you've taken? Was wanting to go out this morning but I had to do other things so was not able to check it out more.
10-12-2013, 01:09 PM
slabbacks

What I was wanting to know too was in the last shot in DI you can see a bright return dot to the right of the broken rail, also seen in SI view. This same return showed up in the above SI shot near the broken rail. Looks as though if it was a rock it would have been the same return as the concrete frame.

Any thoughts
10-12-2013, 01:27 PM
slabbacks

went through some other shots and in this one it looks as though it has moved down the railing to the other side of the break or is in the same place and just looks that way. Could this be a big cat down there? These bright dots is what I look for in the tree tops when looking for crappie.

Any ideas.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...ps8e0babe4.jpg
10-12-2013, 01:58 PM
kosmo

You seem to really be getting a lot of enjoyment from tinkering with your 898.good stuff.(i like the third picture the best)
10-12-2013, 02:14 PM
kosmo

Have you tried contour off?so that you can get the bridge to show as one all the way across http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/z...012/S00352.png
10-12-2013, 02:23 PM
slabbacks

Quote:

Originally Posted by kosmo

Have you tried contour off?so that you can get the bridge to show as one all the way across http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/z...012/S00352.png

Not tried it but will after seeing that shot. I did try ambur and found I like it for some areas, thx for the tip kosmo
10-12-2013, 02:39 PM
rnvinc

Knowing now for sure you did not change "Chart Speed" in any of the OP 5 shots...:

Did you notice how the display's actual scroll rate changed simply by changing the Sonar settings between 200...200/83...83...??

Notice in your shots how stretched the bridge gets in each change of the Sonar setting...

This anomoly has only been occurring in the last few software versions...

I have yet to hear HB explain why the display scroll rate is changing simply by changing the Sonar frequency choice settings...

Rickie
10-12-2013, 02:59 PM
slabbacks

never paid attention to that. So using the settings I have do you think that by speeding up or slowing down scroll speed (keeping boat speed same) it would help in getting a crisper shot. I watched a vid in reference to scroll speed and how you can spread the rocks our tree tops to see fish in them better.
10-12-2013, 04:28 PM
kosmo

Quote:

Originally Posted by rnvinc

Knowing now for sure you did not change "Chart Speed" in any of the OP 5 shots...:

Did you notice how the display's actual scroll rate changed simply by changing the Sonar settings between 200...200/83...83...??

Notice in your shots how stretched the bridge gets in each change of the Sonar setting...

This anomoly has only been occurring in the last few software versions...

I have yet to hear HB explain why the display scroll rate is changing simply by changing the Sonar frequency choice settings...

Rickie

yea and heres another strange anomoly that ill tell you about.on friday while on barkley taking snapshots of dam-e i couldnot run scroll speed lower than 4.the screen would jurk to much but today while taking snapshots on kentucky i could run scroll speed on 1 with no jurking.i changed from 200 to 83 to 200/83 with no changes in the si screen.
10-12-2013, 04:42 PM
kosmo

Quote:

Originally Posted by slabbacks

Not tried it but will after seeing that shot. I did try ambur and found I like it for some areas, thx for the tip kosmo

It also helps in giving a better view like these two creeks coming together then going on to the river channel http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/z...012/S00350.png
10-12-2013, 06:15 PM
slabbacks

I see what ya mean. That point would be a nice spot for a brush pile.

when you went through settings in DI you said SI never changed, is this due to the update you are running?
10-12-2013, 06:45 PM
kosmo

Quote:

Originally Posted by slabbacks

I see what ya mean. That point would be a nice spot for a brush pile.

when you went through settings in DI you said SI never changed, is this due to the update you are running?

all di settings are sepperate from all si settings.i see were you posted that when you made changes to the di settings it changed ypur si also.ill check that out on my units next time out.i have not noticed this happenning on my 998s but i dont really keep to close an eye on things.mybe it does the same on my units and i have just not noticed it.i didnt even no about the jurky thing on si until i read about it on the internet.now that i no about it i cant keep from fiddling around with the scroll speed tring to make it jurk.when its all said and done i just put the scroll speed back on 5 or 6 and works good for me at whatever speed im running.even my 997 i run the same scroll speed and it seemed alright to me
10-13-2013, 08:53 AM
rnvinc

Quote:

Originally Posted by slabbacks

never paid attention to that. So using the settings I have do you think that by speeding up or slowing down scroll speed (keeping boat speed same) it would help in getting a crisper shot. I watched a vid in reference to scroll speed and how you can spread the rocks our tree tops to see fish in them better.

"Chart Speed" (and in this case the display speed changing by setting a different Sonar setting)...is like most other settings in SI (or DI)...as long as the user understands how to interpret the screen...the effect of the setting can be used for the task the user is trying to garner from the data showing on the display...

If one merely wants to make "pretty" pictures for the internet...getting the display to scroll at the proper rate to get structure to look normal "real world" size is important...therefore "Chart Speed" ...(and also "Sonar Frequency" choice in these software versions)...are both changing the screen scroll rate...which vastly affects the image....

If one wants to stretch the data on the display so as to see fish better..(or look down into brush for fish....or make rocks look bigger...or to discern if a stake bed is shovel handles or board slats...)...then getting the screen to scroll faster is a beneficial tool for those tasks...

As the display scroll speed is so important in how it affects the image ....(At this point in the software)..it's important to recognise that the "Chart Speed" setting is not the only HB imaging setting that is affecting the display scroll speed...

Rickie
10-13-2013, 09:37 AM
slabbacks

Thx guys, good info and now on the cheat sheet to try.

Kosmo I worked with the ambur and do like it.

But for now this is my Monday and will not be back on the water till middle of this coming week. Bummer
10-13-2013, 02:35 PM
BobB

Quote:

Originally Posted by kosmo

yea and heres another strange anomoly that ill tell you about.on friday while on barkley taking snapshots of dam-e i couldnot run scroll speed lower than 4.the screen would jurk to much but today while taking snapshots on kentucky i could run scroll speed on 1 with no jurking.i changed from 200 to 83 to 200/83 with no changes in the si screen.

Kosmo, Were you doing an other things differently when you saw the jerky action and when you didn't?

Maybe things like the mapping chip used, the zoom level, recording or not recording, etc
10-13-2013, 07:14 PM
kosmo

I was in the si/di mold when i noticed the jerking.i do use a navionics mapping card.i dont really see that being tbe issue tho.after exsperiencing the jerking i just bumped the scroll back to were i always run which is 5,6 and 7 with no jerking but the next day i thought id slow the chart speed to if it happenned again and this time i run chart all the way down to 1 with no jerking.i dont have many waypionts stored.i did have a few pictures friday but not alot.
10-13-2013, 09:15 PM
BobB

Thanks Kosmo.....just seems like there must be some variable that makes the jerking SI and the 2D issues come and go.
10-14-2013, 07:10 AM
rnvinc

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobB

Thanks Kosmo.....just seems like there must be some variable that makes the jerking SI and the 2D issues come and go.

I think Wayne P is reporting any "Chart Speed" value less than 3 on his units with the 6.740...

Rickie
10-14-2013, 01:48 PM
kosmo

Quote:

Originally Posted by rnvinc

I think Wayne P is reporting any "Chart Speed" value less than 3 on his units with the 6.740...

Rickie

i dont think your correct in your statement.i think that wayne p tries the 6.740 and notices the jurking at a chart speed of 3 or less then reverts back to older version.i run 6.740 all the time and what im saying is that im getting different results sometimes that i cant explain and bob b is tring to help with different possiblities.ive incountered really good 2d readings and really bad ones as other times.i have experienced the jurking on si while at other times its just fine.you yourself have the zigzag thing going on with your si with the 1197 and some others with 998 and maybe 1198.i have not seen this zigzag on my 998s.it seems really strange to me
10-14-2013, 02:02 PM
mdperson

This weekend on my 998 I also noticed on DI if I ran it at 3 or lower on chart speed it was jerky with white vertical lines. I was traveling at 1-2 mph. I bumped the speed up to 4 the jerkyness and lines went away.
10-14-2013, 03:14 PM
kosmo

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdperson

This weekend on my 998 I also noticed on DI if I ran it at 3 or lower on chart speed it was jerky with white vertical lines. I was traveling at 1-2 mph. I bumped the speed up to 4 the jerkyness and lines went away.

could you post a picture showing the lines?
10-14-2013, 05:19 PM
mdperson

Quote:

Originally Posted by kosmo

could you post a picture showing the lines?

Yeah next time Im out I will try to get one.
10-14-2013, 05:53 PM
Stymie

Do you have Sharpness on? I've noticed the vertical lines on when Sharpness is turned on.
10-14-2013, 07:24 PM
kosmo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stymie

Do you have Sharpness on? I've noticed the vertical lines on when Sharpness is turned on.

Does scroll speed afect the vertical lines that your seeing while sharpness is on.i have used sharpness and havent seen vertical lines
10-14-2013, 07:33 PM
kosmo

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobB

Thanks Kosmo.....just seems like there must be some variable that makes the jerking SI and the 2D issues come and go.

Does hiding views kill them or are thy still beimg used in the background(processor)
10-14-2013, 07:36 PM
BobB

Quote:

Originally Posted by kosmo

Does hiding views kill them or are thy still beimg used in the background(processor)

HMMMM good thought Kosmo.....I don't know though
10-14-2013, 07:55 PM
Stymie

Quote:

Originally Posted by kosmo

Does scroll speed afect the vertical lines that your seeing while sharpness is on.i have used sharpness and havent seen vertical lines

I guess I should throw a disclaimer out there. I seen this anomaly with an earlier version of software. Cant say that I have lately as I haven't turned DI sharpness on since it first appeared a couple of updates ago.
10-14-2013, 08:13 PM
slabbacks

Stymie, do you use sharpness in SI or I should say have you?
10-14-2013, 09:52 PM
rnvinc

Quote:

Originally Posted by kosmo

i dont think your correct in your statement.i think that wayne p tries the 6.740 and notices the jurking at a chart speed of 3 or less then reverts back to older version.i run 6.740 all the time and what im saying is that im getting different results sometimes that i cant explain and bob b is tring to help with different possiblities.ive incountered really good 2d readings and really bad ones as other times.i have experienced the jurking on si while at other times its just fine.you yourself have the zigzag thing going on with your si with the 1197 and some others with 998 and maybe 1198.i have not seen this zigzag on my 998s.it seems really strange to me

You are definitely correct about the zigzagg effect in my 1197...

http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/r...psd0d7c286.png

HB has not released a 6.7xx for the 1197 yet so I cannot test ...(6.640 is the latest for my 1197)...

Rickie
10-15-2013, 12:43 AM
slabbacks

that really stands out in the bottom of the water column in that SI shot.
10-15-2013, 05:43 AM
Stymie

Quote:

Originally Posted by slabbacks

Stymie, do you use sharpness in SI or I should say have you?

Yes sir, I do use sharpness in SI. My eyes can't stayed glued to the screen, gotta control the boat and watch the poles, too! I don't have it on all the time, but if I "feel" like it will help, I turn it on. Some don't like the graininess, so there are trade offs.
10-15-2013, 05:52 AM
slabbacks

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stymie

Yes sir, I do use sharpness in SI. My eyes can't stayed glued to the screen, gotta control the boat and watch the poles, too! I don't have it on all the time, but if I "feel" like it will help, I turn it on. Some don't like the graininess, so there are trade offs.

Know what ya mean bud, many a times my daughter would blurt out DAAAADD :Rofl
Look up in enough time to go left or right for what ever may be out there.

Grainy pix for sure but boy they stand out with it.