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I have fallen in love with making my own crappie jigs (post-pour) and flies. Recently, started throwing road-runners and would like to know if there is a place to purchase plain (not pre-painted) road-runner or beetle-spin type rigs to paint and customize. I appreciate any help you can give.
For beetle spin type all you need is the safety pin spinners and add a round head jig. As far as I know there is no place to buy unpainted Roadrunner heads. I buy them, but it's not a normal thing they do so it depends on what you want to do with them and how many you want as well as what size. You can PM me for more info if you want.
See this few months ago........
Grizzly Jig Company - 2013 Catalog
Thanks for the quick replies and valuable info!
Wow that will take a lot of guts since it's not legal as far as I understand it.Quote:
Originally Posted by litewirehooker
Skip, I have started to say something about them before. They have been selling them off and on for a long time. Don't know what the deal is. They are in some of my old catalogs but not last years then were in this years. I'm sure they have some deal with them.
I kind of doubt it or they would be selling unpainted Roadrunner heads and these are Pony heads so I will find out for sure and have already sent email to my contact at Blakemore and a PM to TJ on here. I know they have been taking people to court this year so I doubt Grizzly Jig has their permission for doing that and they are taking a huge risk.Quote:
Originally Posted by cray
They show in the catalouge without a pic - but not on their web site. Hope their legal
It's not legal at all! I think they may have stepped into nasty! You can make them for your on use, you start selling Pony Heads and you just broke the law!
Why dont you call them and ask them before you start bashing them.Quote:
Originally Posted by skiptomylu
Id say Wade an Louie Mansfield knows exactly what there doing. If TTI is taking people to court all TJ Stallings would have to do is go to EBAY there's tons of them on there. I have even seen over my few short months people on here selling them. You can also take and strip the paint off them with acetone. And repaint the colors you want. My Grandson did this a time or two, so he could make some chrome. And it worked perfectly.
Maybe they are a different style.....or maybe they have permission. A good friend of mine has permission to tie on their stuff and re-sell.....So you just never know.Quote:
Originally Posted by skiptomylu
From my understandings you can call an order bulk from them to tie on. Only bad thing is they don't offer them sickle hooks. Would be nice if they did.
No one has permission to sell Pony Heads! I have Blakemore's permission to buy unpainted heads from them, paint tie and re-sell. However if I don't use a Blade that is one of their Imprinted Blades I have to put a sticker on the bag stating it's sold under their Trademark and the Trademark Number is also on there. You fried may have their permission as well, I don't know, but it would have to be on Roadrunner head and can't have another brand hook other than True Turn since after all it is TTI-Blakemore. So if your friend buys Roadrunner heads and ties them to sell I am sure he has their permission, but if he has Pony Head with Sickle hooks, he's breaking the law as well also taking a huge risk. I have spoke the the guy that use to make Stump Jumpers to BPS until TTI-Blakemore sued him and he lost everything! What happened is I posted a picture of a Pony Head before I got the Roadrunner heads and he was kind enough to email me and we talked that way for a while. He even emailed me the Trademark that brought him down hard. For a while then TTI`Blakemore made the Stump Jumpers for BPS until some one changed the design so that it was not a horse head type bait. There is no in-between or alternate thing one can do, they own the Trademark on the design of the head and unlike a Patent a Trademark has no end.Quote:
Originally Posted by "G"
These are the facts! Also I would imagine Grizzly Jig could be in trouble unless they bless them with a letter first, I have no clue how this will go down, but I would take bets that they will not be selling them for long!
I don't care what kine of hook is in these, it's not legal! This is how guys loose everything!Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnPaul
What I was saying is that you can get ahold of TJ he will get you the number to his brother I think it is. And you can purchase the heads directly from TTI. They have Aberdeen hooks only in them, they don't offer sickle heads in anything.
Oh okay I understand. The ones I buy just have the same hooks they use on their Original Marabou Style Roadrunners. I already buy them from a guy, sorry will not give his name though, but I have their permission and they gave me the wording for their Trademark note I put on bags that I use say a willow leaf blade on. I have been tying Roadrunners for something like 6 to 8 years now.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnPaul
few words about blakemore's first off everything that Skip is telling you guys is the truth about a year ago I contacted them wanting to buy the pony heads on painted per thousand I was willing to buy five or 10,000 at a time I worked with them for over two months I went to the very top there I couldn't go any higher because of what I wanted to do with them they turned me down flat I promised them that I would not buy any on painted heads and sell them so I'm leaving them completely alone I will not even post any on here with their heads if anybody choose to sell their heads be awful careful I had a lengthy discussion with the management there at the time that I called them they had five lawsuits going or something to that effect they definitely watch very closely everything including here just remember you guys the industry watches the site pretty close I know for a fact because I've been copied there's nothing that I can do about it because I did not have any patents on anything that I make the only trademark that I have now is on one of my plastic baits the little squid it carries my logo which probably means nothing to the industry they can change the style of it and get away with it so believe me I would stay away from them completely and less you have full permission from them to use them I wouldn't even go as far as burning the paint off and repainting them for my own personal use I do not want anything to do with those pony heads.
You can't patent 0r trademark "style"…
and their tied rrunners have exactly none, unless that's what is supposed to be seen in that obnoxiously bushy bait I see in Academy Sports.
It's he design and if anyone want I can dig in my computer and find the exact wording of their Trademark, but I can tell you to has nothing to do with the name.
TTI Blakemore is a sponsor of this site. Without them this site might not be here for us. Please be respectful in whatever you say about them, or any companies for that matter. Personal attacks or attacks upon businesses go against the rules you all agreed to here.
I am no attorney, but I would also advise you to abide by any patent, copywrite or trademark laws. if you don't know something about issues like these ask someone who does. I would not necessarily believe everything that gets posted.
Xgames, back to your original post. You may just want to do what some of the others of us have done. Buy the mold and pour your own. If you like fishing them and you get hooked on painting it will be cheaper in the long run. You can buy the mold and pour your own perfectly legal for your own use.
Thank you sir! I am starting to wonder how much Blakemore pays to defend (diligently) their patent rights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Handicrappie
"I chased the chicken
I chased the chicken
and me and Pete suppered on a home made chicken pot pie
Sic 'em on a chicken.
Sic 'em on a chicken.
Sic 'em on a chicken and watch them feathers fly"
I can tie on there stuff and sell it but seems like everybody wants a sickle hook so I just don't fool with it im sure if you contacted TJ he would answer any questions you may have about there products also I just can't see Grizzly jig company doing anything illegal I am sure they know what they are doing they are in fact a class act and a great company
Patent or not, sponsor or not, there are a number of styles of jig heads with bottom mounted spinner blades. Blakemore cannot have a patent that covers them all. I hope that Blakemore is not running a Microsoft type overly general, heavily financed set of lawsuits simply to scare off competition from similar but unprotected types.
Blakemore may very well have complete ownership of the name 'Road Runner', however. But that is trademark protection not patent. You may not call similar styles Road Runners, whether protected by patent or not, unless you get them from Blakemore and follow their guidelines for using their trademark.
So there are really two issues here that only partly overlap.
Blakemore also has the right to sell direct or only distribute through contracted and approved dealerships. That may be why they will not sell bulk directly to the public. For that explore getting a distributorship approved by them provided they do not protect territories for established dealers. There are all kinds of special condition that can go into those kinds of contracts.
Actually that makes three issues, and it goes beyond organizations like Grizzley to include jig makers like DO-it and others who have been marketing various styles of 'pony' head molds for years. I really doubt that Blakemore can claim ownership to all the 'pony' head molds and offerings out there, but the court cases should eventually tell the whole story. Those that directly copied Road Runners will almost certainly lose, but 'pony' heads include a broader generic set of patterns than that. Those that use the term Road Runner for non-Blakemore products will almost certainly have to change their names at least to avoid Trademark infringement, however, regardless of the patent suits (unless someone can show prior ownership of that term, in which case Blakemore may lose the ownerhip of that and that falls under prior copyright which is actually owned by the first publisher, whether registered or not, adding another part to the complications involved).
I don't blame Blakemore for wanting to get this sorted out, but I do not see that they own the entire set of basic 'pony' head patterns by patent right, just their own, the particular one that is actually patented. The major infringements that I see most likely are the unauthorized use of the trademarked name, which has been used generically for a long time now, which itself may weaken their case for that. There are so many twists and turns in the involved product law, that it is beyond me to sort it out, and it is very likely to require deep pockets to defend against Blakemore lawsuits.
What's next? Does Mr. Twister own rights to all the grubtail lures out there? They claim to have innovated the style in 1972. Or take a look at their Sassy Shad. How many of you pour that style without Mr. Twister authorization?
OK......Click on this and go to post number 27 and read what TJ Stallings the owner of TTI Blakemore has to say about this. http://www.crappie.com/crappie/jig-t...e-heads-3.html
I think we've beaten this horse to death twice over. I will close this thread leaving you to visit the post TJ made on the topic that "G" brought to our attention. Here's a more direct link to the specific post: http://www.crappie.com/crappie/jig-t...ml#post1858478