Somebody's been thinking...again...

I've wondered why HB decided to make and include the XNT 9 DI T with their "Dedicated DI" units...

As we know, the XNT 9 DI T has 2 Down Imaging "thin slice" beams of 455kHz 75°/800kHz 45° with an additional 2 conventional "cone shaped" beams of 200kHz 25°/ 455kHz 16°...

We also know that HB released a trolling motor mounted "Dedicated DI" xducer...the XTM 9 WIDE DI 20 T ...which has 2 Down Imaging "thin slice" beams of 455kHz 75°/800kHz 45° with an additional 2 conventional "cone shaped" beams of 200kHz 20°/83kHz 60°...

The HB website shows exactly 5 DI models compatible with the XTM 9 WIDE DI 20 T ....those being the 858c DI, 858c HD DI, 958c DI, 958cHD DI, 1158c DI....

It would seem to me that these 5 specific DI units will have a "Transducer Select" setting under the Sonar tab for "Down +200/83"...

What this confirms (I think) is that these 5 specific DI models are capable of transmitting the 200kHz/83kHz frequencies IF there is attached a HB Dual Beam xducer capable of vibrating the piezoes at 200kHz and 83kHz....

I examined the pin configurations of the XNT 9 DI T (that comes stock with the HB dedicated DI units)...and the AS SIDB Y cable and the XP 9 20 (standard Dual Beam 200/83kHz) and it seems that the pins are in the correct configuration of all 3 components for using a standard HB Dual Beam 200/83 xducer on the AS SIDB Y cable along with the stock XNT 9 DI T xducer and have the capability to employ the larger cone shaped beams of the XP 9 20's 200/83kHz Dual Beam...and still get the stock DI beams from the XNT 9 DI T ...

I could see this being a viable option for users that already own 1 of the 5 specific DI models above ...and happen to have an exta HB xducer laying around that is capable of 200/83kHz....

The only other purchase needed would be the AS SIDB Y cable to get the larger 200kHz 20°/83kHz 60° cone shaped beams along with their dedicated Down Imaging...

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I do not own a HB dedicated DI unit to experiment with this idea so if anyone thinks they may be interested in trying this...you must understand ...

This setup is completely experimental and could very possibly cause unforeseen problems or catastrophic failure AND MOST LIKELY WILL VOID THE HB WARRANTY ...for hooking things to the HB unit not listed as compatible with that specific unit....

My OCD stays too busy some times...:)

Rickie

I'll take 2 on your esteemed reputation alone !

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I'll take 2 on your esteemed reputation alone !

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I don't know about that Brett...

I just have to provide a disclaimer because HB won't bless ideas like this...

Rickie

Rickie is the 958 one of the units you are referring to? My 958 doesn't have the 200/83 option in the software. Ie it is not a toggle option. Unless the 958 mows the current transducer doesn't have the 83. Any input is welcome.

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Originally Posted by Redge

Rickie is the 958 one of the units you are referring to? My 958 doesn't have the 200/83 option in the software. Ie it is not a toggle option. Unless the 958 mows the current transducer doesn't have the 83. Any input is welcome.

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I was hopin you would post Redge...

This is from the HB website...

XTM 9 WIDE DI 20 T
Transducers710235-1
Trolling Motor Mount Transducer
Item available mid August
Down Imaging™/DualBeam Plus™, 75°/45°, 455/800 kHz (DI) and 20°/60°, 83/200 kHz, with built in temperature, 15' Cable. Low profile design minimize snags. Easy installation, all hardware included.
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MSRP $149.99

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1100 Series™: 1158c DI Combo
900 Series™: 958c DI Combo, 958c HD DI Combo
800 Series™: 858c DI Combo, 858c HD DI Combo

That tells me that these exact 5 units are capable of producing the 200/83 frequency...somehow...

What I'm hopin someone can confirm is where is the setting that tells the unit to use this XTM 9 WIDE DI 20 T that has 200/83...

Once we figure out how these 5 units select this XTM 9 WIDE DI 20 T ....then my idea of the AS SIDB Y cable should work because the pins are in the correct position to still get the DI channel from the head unit, thru the AS SIDB Y cable, and to the DI element in the XNT 9 DI T ...and then 2d 200/83 would come from the 2nd attached HB Dual Beam with 200/83...

Rickie

I'm wondering if the "Transducer Select" menu adds "Down +200/83" to the menu options when the XTM 9 WIDE DI 20 T xducer is attached ...??

Rickie

Found it...

Greg posted it for me over at sideimagingsoft...

So it must show up after the XTM 9 WIDE DI 20 T is attached...

http://forums.sideimagingsoft.com/in...ach=8978;image

What I'm trying to find out now is how to get the "DI + 200/83" to show in the Transducer Select menu without the XTM 9 WIDE DI 20 T attached...

Maybe it's software related...I don't know...I will find out...

Rickie

Redge...do you have a AS SIDB Y cable and a 2nd HB xducer capable of 200/83...??

Rickie

Rickie I do have the Y cable, and the ducer capable of 200/83 is only a phone call away. I had been scratching my head on this because I have seen some of the DI unit guys talking about 200/83 but when I look it isn't there only 200. Guess I need to do a little experiment and see. Thanks for the info.

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Rickie I do have the Y cable, and the ducer capable of 200/83 is only a phone call away. I had been scratching my head on this because I have seen some of the DI unit guys talking about 200/83 but when I look it isn't there only 200. Guess I need to do a little experiment and see. Thanks for the info.

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Talking with Greg seems to indicate that the "Transducer Select" option of "DI + 200/83" may have been added in a software version as the XTM 9 WIDE DI 20 T has only been available for a short time....which the 200/83 capability in the XTM 9 WIDE DI 20 T is the only reason why HB would have added that "Transducer Select" option of "DI + 200/83...

Redge ..what version are you currently on ...?

And do you have any newer versions you can load to show us which version the "DI + 200/83" option would have been added...??

And BTW...we can thank Greg for this idea...he already knew it was possible way before I researched it by chance notion from a question to me over at walleye central...

Rickie

Rickie I am on V6.68 on my 958. I have looked for the 200/83 and it is not there currently. Hmmmm now that I get to rereading your post above I wonder if it will change if I had the other ducer and went to choose it on system setup or wherever the heck that place is that you choose your stuff.

Dang I can tell I should have done a lot more reading and studying all the different transducers and parts. You lost me when you started, LOL! I just never did my home work on my HB's. I had the 1197 for several years and now a 1198 and am ignorant as a rock it seems.

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Rickie I am on V6.68 on my 958. I have looked for the 200/83 and it is not there currently. Hmmmm now that I get to rereading your post above I wonder if it will change if I had the other ducer and went to choose it on system setup or wherever the heck that place is that you choose your stuff.

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Redge,
Are you sure you don’t have the “DI 200/83) menu option? Check under the Sonar menu tab for the “Transducer Select” menu and see what setting options it gives you. You do not have to have the transducer connected to see the menu options.

Skip as long as you can tie jigs like you do, don't worry about the fishfinder!
Greg I will check it out further this weekend. I am positive on the software version. I did look for the 200/83 but will do some more looking this time.

Did some looking while fishing! 200/83 not an option with ducer that shipped w 958. However if I choose the ducer off the network of the 1198 the 200/83 is in the 958 menu. Apparently the menu is transducer specific.

Redge...what options are listed under the "Transducer Select" menu..??

Something really wierd goin on here...

Rickie

Rickie does this help or answer your question?
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Redge...the "Transducer Select" menu is farther down in that same "Sonar" tab...

It should have options like "DI + 200/455"...."DI + 200/83".....""Dual Beam".... "Quadra Beam"....

You may have to be in "Advanced User" mode (under "Setup" tab)...

It's 4th from the bottom in my 1197...

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Rickie

Rickie finally figured it out, the 958 says Connected Transducer. I have the following options. DI 200/455, Dual 50/200, Dual Beam, Quad Bean, DI 200/50.

Oops DI 200/83, is the second one listed, I didn't get it in the list above