First day out with new 998 SI and this is what I see.

All settings are factory default except I reduced the width of the side scan from 125 to 75 ft per side. The power cable for this unit is a twisted pair run down the opposite side of the boat from every other wire. It powers the unit from the starting battery,shared only with the other FF and the engine. The transducer and GPS cables are mounted on a Da'Ducer bracket, run together below deck where they are coiled, and back up to the back of the unit. The ethernet cable for an iPilot link Terrova is bundled with them on the path to the unit. The lines appear regardless of TM speed and even when TM is off completely. The unit is running the latest software upgrade as of last night. I have no clue what I'm looking at other than from looking at other posted pics from SI these lines prob should not be there. Thx

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what software is it? did you install it? my 898 kind of looked like that when i put the 6.610 update in. wish i new how to put the old back in....i dont know what it had before

That is 6.610, It had 6.18ish? but with it's interacting with the iPilot Link I was under the understanding a newer version was needed. The 858 hd di at the console was loaded with 6.610 from the factory and I don't see any problems with that unit as far as lines.

someone will chime in that knows more about it

Tracy... Do you know what version came loaded on the unit...??

I would load the original version back in to see if the issue is, in fact, the 6.610 causing this (which I'm guessing it is)...

Note: never load an older version than what came on the unit new as there may be hardware designed that will not operate with older versions

Once we know that the problem is the software and not something else...we can go from there on what to do next...

And you are correct...the iLink requires the new software....Ho hum...

Rickie

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what software is it? did you install it? my 898 kind of looked like that when i put the 6.610 update in. wish i new how to put the old back in....i dont know what it had before

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Warbird...call HB with your serial number and they can tell you what version came on your unit...

Once you know the version number post back and we'll help you get it installed back into your unit...

Rickie

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Originally Posted by rnvinc

Warbird...call HB with your serial number and they can tell you what version came on your unit...

Once you know the version number post back and we'll help you get it installed back into your unit...

Rickie

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ok thanks

Rickie,

I believe from looking at the screen when it asked permission to load the update that the factory installed version was 6.180 or thereabouts. I remember the 6.18 at least. don't remember what or if the third digit may have been.
The 858 HD DI on the console had 6.610 from the factory. It appeared to work fine as far as the display being clear of any lines.

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Originally Posted by tsaints1115

Rickie,

I believe from looking at the screen when it asked permission to load the update that the factory installed version was 6.180 or thereabouts. I remember the 6.18 at least. don't remember what or if the third digit may have been.
The 858 HD DI on the console had 6.610 from the factory. It appeared to work fine as far as the display being clear of any lines.

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Software versions can work differently in different units as each is written specifically for the hardware (and stuff) that's in that unit....(heck...I think software even works works differently in the same series units...:dono )

So ...if 6.610 is working well in the 858...that's great...just watch it closely for anomalies ...

Now for the 998....It's very important to never load a version of software older than what came on the unit from the factory...it could cause some BAD compatability issues with the specific hardware that came in that year model unit...

If you don't remember exactly what version came on the unit from the factory...I would call HB with your serial number and they can tell you exactly what version was loaded into that unit when it was built...

I feel that the lines you see on the SI image are from this 6.610 software version...and the easiest way to verify this is to load the original version back into the unit and see if the SI image is fixed...

It's true that you won't be able to use the iLink with software older than the 6.600...but we need to find the image problem first....as its entirely possible that you may have to just "deal" with yukky SI images in order to use the iLink...

I'm "dealing" with the same issue in my 1197....

I must run 6.600 or higher to use my AS GPS HS antenna...but the SI images stink.....

So I'm using 6.610 when I need my waypoints....then I'm loading 6.310 when I want to take "pretty" SI screenshots and recordings....

Pain in the ***...??? Absolutely...

HB is listening to the discussions on the forums about the new software versions...but we will just have to make do with what we have until they send out another "fix"...

And right now ...we need to know if your yukky SI image is being caused by the 6.610...

Rickie

tsaints1115,
Was your 858c HD DI unit running at the same time as when the above picture was made?
I would start with shutting the 858c HD DI and all other sonar units off. Than all other electrical devices on the boat. This is just to make sure that you are not seeing some sort of sonar or electrical interference here as opposed to a software issue.

BTW: for a 998 unit, if it allowed you to load the 6.610 software than the latest software that it could have shopped out with is the 6.490 software. You should be able to safely load that version and check to see if the cause is the software update. If it is I would re-download a new copy of the 6.610 software and install it to try again.

Rickie,
My first priority is to have good images. Suitable for framing good. I have a big learning curve ahead of me jumping from a PiranhaMax 220 to a 998. I don't want to learn by looking at bad images. My main Link interaction with the Birds at this point would be for saving the larger number of waypoints and iTracks but if I have to forgo that for the time being so be it.

Greg,
The 998 is not a HD unit. In doing the initial install I'm pretty darn sure the program version displayed was 6.180. It was displayed again at the upgrade. Here is the serial #12060603-0004.
Yes, the 858 was on. I will try with it off. The only other electronics on was the TM. I need to point out that everything for the 998 is mounted at the bow, transducer,GPS,etc. Everything for the 858 is mounted at the transom except the unit itself at the console. The transducers are no closer than 16' apart.

If an older version is something to try, where can I find them to download?

Thank you both for your help.

Greg made a good point about checking for crosstalk interference...(it is possible anytime 2 separate units are running sonar at the same time...their beams can overlap and read each other's stuff)...so check this first as it would be easy to check...

You'll probably need to call HB with your serial number to get the info of the original software version...because I don't think Greg has access to the serial numbers in the database....(he knows the software versions but probably not the serial number units that they were loaded with)...

HB may also give you access to the software version...but if not...Greg can get the actual version download for you...(once we know what the version number is)...

You may actually do what I do for the time being....load 6.610 for use with any new accessory....then reload your older "Stable" version for image study and such....

Loading and reloading software versions is not hard...and usually not dangerous...if you follow the steps correctly...(I've been known to load and reload 3-4 times in a day depending on what I'm fishing or experimenting with)...

Rickie

Rickie
Would two transducers 16' apart still expieriance overlap?

Btw, the deepest water seen was 10' if that may come into play. Avg was 3-4'.

I am getting ready to purchase a 998c HD SI, then add the I-pilot link later. I think I'll hold off and see how this unfolds. I don't want to be downloading software on a daily basis.

tsaints,
I got one of the CRC Reps to check your serial number: sure enough your memory is good. Your 998c Si unit was produced with the 6.180 software.

There are a lot of the software downloads in the Downloads section of the SideImagingSoft.com web site. I think that you have to sign up as a member to access then though. If needed you could send me an e-mail requesting the software. Be sure to state the full model name and software version you want and I can send you link to it through TransferBigFiles.com.

It may not be sonar-cross talk but more of an electrical interference through the power system. Shutting off the 858c HD DI will help tell us if it is even the source for this or not. If it is, the next step would be to set the Beam Select menu on the 858c HD DI unit to the 200kHz setting to see if that changes anything or not. We need to pinpoint the source of this before correcting it.

HB version downloads...Login

(I would still check Greg's other suggestions first....it's entirely possible to be something other than the 6.610 software....)

Rickie

Thank you both. I will try again Fri to get out and play with this.

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Would two transducers 16' apart still expieriance overlap?

Btw, the deepest water seen was 10' if that may come into play. Avg was 3-4'.[/QUOTE

I have a 998 on the console and a 798HD on the bow. If you would like I can post a couple of snapshots taken, one with the trolling motor transducer in the water, the other with the trolling motor transducer out of the water. You can see the crosstalk which is similar to yours but not as bad.

Any info is good. Thx

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Snapshots on 998, first one is with 798 on with transducer in water, second with transducer out of water.

I'm running 6.610 on both units. The picture turned out dark for some reason. This another picture I edited to be brighter.Attachment 124965

Ok, finally got back out and did as Greg said and left the 858 on the console off. This is what I saw.

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No lines which is good.

A question though, does the 858 only interfere with the 998 while the 998 is in SI mode? I had both units running in DI and didn't seem to see any.

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Originally Posted by tsaints1115

Ok, finally got back out and did as Greg said and left the 858 on the console off. This is what I saw

No lines which is good.

A question though, does the 858 only interfere with the 998 while the 998 is in SI mode? I had both units running in DI and didn't seem to see any.

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That would depend on if the interference is crosstalk or RF ...

The lines going away when you turned off the other unit would indicate the interference was crosstalk...

If you see no indication of interference (in any view) with 1 sonar off, this would be the preferred configuration for your operation...

A couple of tips on your image...

Scan a little shorter side to side for structure to show bigger (I generally scan 65-70 left and right)..

Set chart speed to match boat speed (you may already know this)...

Scan at 800kHz for more detail closer to boat (outside edges of image may be darker)..
Scan at 455kHz to see out to the edges of the screen (image may be fuzzier)..

Post more screenshots...

Rickie

On my units I only notice it SI. Another tip you might already know is you can remove the side readouts.