2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee Disel

Just read where the 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee will have a diesel option with 240hp and 420 lb-ft of torque, and gets 30mpg. Too bad the additional cost of around $4,500 will make it hard to justify getting it but dang, it's got my interest. They have also redesigned their steering wheel and dash and it looks nice. I hope to have my Lund paid off my the end of the year and I will be in the market to buy a new vehicle and right now the Grand Cherokee is at the top of the list. (gas version has 290hp, 260 lb-ft torque and 25mpg)

Does the increased mileage offset the added cost of diesel fuel? And did you know the tax on diesel is suppose to go up? And last but not least, are you in that tax braclet the Prez loves to hate?:juggle

Hey George remember that diesel engines will last three longer.

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Originally Posted by Boscoe

Does the increased mileage offset the added cost of diesel fuel? And did you know the tax on diesel is suppose to go up? And last but not least, are you in that tax braclet the Prez loves to hate?:juggle

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Plus, I think I saw some BASS FISHERMEN driving a diesel once. :biggrin

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Originally Posted by Idunno

Plus, I think I saw some BASS FISHERMEN driving a diesel once. :biggrin

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Too funny.. When I started reading this, I was going to say, Bass fishermen drive diesel's!
30mpg sounds GREAT, mapquest has a thing to get gas cost per trip, and I have been compairing trip cost to different places this spring (like buggs Vs Anna). I only get 14 while towing boat on Highway. (ford 150, triton)

Diesel costs more than gas, and cost more to maintain, a lot more, they require more oil and regular fuel filter changes, biggest problem with diesels are dirty EGR valves. They will lean out the fuel air mixture and make it spit black smoke and loose power, same with the fuel filters.

I would be partial to a diesel, I love me and britts commander, jeeps make a great vehicle.

It's only money.

$51,000.................Wow!

Tap, I'm looking at the gas model. Don't have a need for a heavy hauler.

Bennett is right on the money. Diesel is the cheapest fuel to refine but the most expensive to buy. 428 a gallon down in NC yesterday and 389 up in Maryland today and going up daily. And DON'T ever run one out of fuel.

If I were im the market right now, I'd consider the Hyundai Santa Fe first. Specs look good and prolly the best warranty available. They have a 5 and a 6 passenger model available and a 7 passenger will be released soon. Couple of engine choices and mpg not bad.

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Originally Posted by Redy2Fish

If I were im the market right now, I'd consider the Hyundai Santa Fe first. Specs look good and prolly the best warranty available. They have a 5 and a 6 passenger model available and a 7 passenger will be released soon. Couple of engine choices and mpg not bad.

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My wife has the Hyundai Tuscon and loves it but I don't think I can get myself to buy a vehicle made in South Korea. I grew up in a steel town and can remember as a kid seeing bumper stickers that said, "Hungry? Out of work? Eat your Toyota." This has always stuck with me and has me wanting to buy a vehicle that is built in the US. (which I always have, 78 AMC Concord, 89 Chevy Blazer, 96 Ford Explorer, and currently a 04 Mercury Mountaineer) Just my personal feelings, I hold no grudge against anyone that buys foreign. (or I would have to divorce my wife)

I have been wishing they would come out with a Diesel Wrangler my self.. Put the Vegetable oil kit in it and have free fuel (+taxes). There was someone on the NC board who has burned vegetable and believe worked out pretty good.

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Originally Posted by TapOut64

My wife has the Hyundai Tuscon and loves it but I don't think I can get myself to buy a vehicle made in South Korea. I grew up in a steel town and can remember as a kid seeing bumper stickers that said, "Hungry? Out of work? Eat your Toyota." This has always stuck with me and has me wanting to buy a vehicle that is built in the US. (which I always have, 78 AMC Concord, 89 Chevy Blazer, 96 Ford Explorer, and currently a 04 Mercury Mountaineer) Just my personal feelings, I hold no grudge against anyone that buys foreign. (or I would have to divorce my wife)

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I hear you and agree...but they are built in Montgomery Alabama, not Korea. I drive a '07 Explorer, but if I were ever to consider a sedan the Hyundai Genesis is remarkably sharp.

Based on the BASS elite circuit I thought Toyota Tundra's were the number 1 choice for pulling a bass boat. I have a Dodge Ram 3500, deisel and get 15.5 mpg towing a 20 ft Xpress. I would have a smaller truck, except I also pull a 38 ft 5th wheel. I retired from Exxon and when the govt. required lower sulphur in the deisel, they spent hundreds of millions putting in sulphur stripping equipment. If you remember deisel was the cheapest fuel before that. If I could, I would have a 1/2 ton gas burning vehicle to pull my boat. In the long run, since most of the time you are not towing, this would be most economical.As far as fuel filters, I've only changed 2 in 75,000 miles. No big deal. Oil changes cost 2.5 times as much, but can also be done less frequently. I do mine at 5000 miles. I also like the Hyundai looks. And agree the jeeps are great vehicles, but I suggest a Dodge Ram 1500 Crew cab with a HEMI.

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Originally Posted by dpisani

I suggest a Dodge Ram 1500 Crew cab with a HEMI.

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I use my vehicle for work and a truck would not be practical. I carry a lot of test equipment and my tool box alone weighs close to 50lbs. Easiest to slide it off the back of an SUV. I rented a Ram and it was a pain getting my tool box from the rear cab.

Hey, Tap. I guess I was trying to say, I don't find deisel any more hassle to use. It isn't as cost efficient as it used to be.As far as using a truck, you could put on alocking hard cover on the bed. :twocents The only drawback for me, and honestly I know nothing about the engines they are going to use, is I am scared to use new model's for the first couple years. Good luck to you and thanks for replying.And you noticed I'm partial to Dodge, same company as Jeep now.

Good point, let em work the kinks and bugs out for a few years

Tap, I have been dealing with diesels all my life and will say this, The government has ruined them. They used to be bulletproof, trouble free, fuel efficient torque monsters. now they are choked up EGR and DPF ridden, expensive fuel drinking hogs. If I were to buy a diesel now, I would look for one pre 2007.

We have a 1994, 1999, and two 2009 dodge rams Cummins diesels. The 1994 will outlast the whole bunch and it has over half a million miles on it. My 2009 blew a turbo charger priced at 4 grand at just 15000 miles because the engine would not regenerate (burn out the DPF filter) like it was supposed to. Warranty covered it but all dodge would tell the dealer to do is take apart the whole exhaust system, clean it out, and put it back on. Not fixing the problem. When the motor regenerates, it is dumping fuel into the DPF filter housing to burn off the trapped soot. This kills Your fuel millage during the process and the process can last up to 45 minutes. The exhaust temps coming out of the tail pipe during the process can reach upward of 1500 degrees. wheat field have been caught on fire because of that and I talked to a chevy mechanic that said he put a piece of cardboard by the tail pipe of a chevy while regenerating and it caught it on fire. Also heard of a Ford burning the paint off of a car sitting at a stop light in NY city.

I spent 800 bucks on a kit because Dodge would not fix the problem and voided my warranty. The kit is a straight pipe that does away with the DPF filter in the exhaust and provides resisters and software to fool the computer into thinking the DPF is still on the truck. Also a lot of these programmers that You can add on will jack up the horsepower and fuel mileage big time but the head bolts on the motors are not designed to handle the increased compression and will stretch them and blow a head gasket.

As far as cost, a friend of mine had a brand new Chevy 350 short block crate motor put in his truck a couple years ago for 3500 bucks installed. A 5.9 liter cummins crate motor not installed will cost You 8000 bucks.

The new motors are too computerized and have just as much trouble now as gasoline motors. They fixed something that was not broke and have ruined them. I think our diesel truck days on the farm are over. My Dad's truck is not running right and has had trouble as well. I would stick with gas until all this fairly new technology is figured out. It is a lot like fuel injection on gas motors when the auto makers first started putting it on them. Or Catalytic converters. For a few years, this stuff robbed horse power and efficiency before they finally figured it out.

Now they are putting on Diesel particulate fluid to chemically remove the soot coming out the exhaust. The fluid is nothing but Urea (a form of Nitrogen fertilizer) and causes a chemical reaction instead of burning out the pipe like the DPF filter. the OBD computer controls this. I can't see how burning nitrogen in the exhaust is doing the environment any favors as corrosive as that stuff is. I could go on and on about how they have screwed the best motor ever designed up. They have ruined the reliability in the diesels from tractors to semi trucks to pick up trucks.CF

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Originally Posted by crappiefarmer

Tap, I have been dealing with diesels all my life and will say this, The government has ruined them. They used to be bulletproof, trouble free, fuel efficient torque monsters. now they are choked up EGR and DPF ridden, expensive fuel drinking hogs. If I were to buy a diesel now, I would look for one pre 2007.

We have a 1994, 1999, and two 2009 dodge rams Cummins diesels. The 1994 will outlast the whole bunch and it has over half a million miles on it. My 2009 blew a turbo charger priced at 4 grand at just 15000 miles because the engine would not regenerate (burn out the DPF filter) like it was supposed to. Warranty covered it but all dodge would tell the dealer to do is take apart the whole exhaust system, clean it out, and put it back on. Not fixing the problem. When the motor regenerates, it is dumping fuel into the DPF filter housing to burn off the trapped soot. This kills Your fuel millage during the process and the process can last up to 45 minutes. The exhaust temps coming out of the tail pipe during the process can reach upward of 1500 degrees. wheat field have been caught on fire because of that and I talked to a chevy mechanic that said he put a piece of cardboard by the tail pipe of a chevy while regenerating and it caught it on fire. Also heard of a Ford burning the paint off of a car sitting at a stop light in NY city.

I spent 800 bucks on a kit because Dodge would not fix the problem and voided my warranty. The kit is a straight pipe that does away with the DPF filter in the exhaust and provides resisters and software to fool the computer into thinking the DPF is still on the truck. Also a lot of these programmers that You can add on will jack up the horsepower and fuel mileage big time but the head bolts on the motors are not designed to handle the increased compression and will stretch them and blow a head gasket.

As far as cost, a friend of mine had a brand new Chevy 350 short block crate motor put in his truck a couple years ago for 3500 bucks installed. A 5.9 liter cummins crate motor not installed will cost You 8000 bucks.

The new motors are too computerized and have just as much trouble now as gasoline motors. They fixed something that was not broke and have ruined them. I think our diesel truck days on the farm are over. My Dad's truck is not running right and has had trouble as well. I would stick with gas until all this fairly new technology is figured out. It is a lot like fuel injection on gas motors when the auto makers first started putting it on them. Or Catalytic converters. For a few years, this stuff robbed horse power and efficiency before they finally figured it out.

Now they are putting on Diesel particulate fluid to chemically remove the soot coming out the exhaust. The fluid is nothing but Urea (a form of Nitrogen fertilizer) and causes a chemical reaction instead of burning out the pipe like the DPF filter. the OBD computer controls this. I can't see how burning nitrogen in the exhaust is doing the environment any favors as corrosive as that stuff is. I could go on and on about how they have screwed the best motor ever designed up. They have ruined the reliability in the diesels from tractors to semi trucks to pick up trucks.CF

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Sounds like somebody knows what he's talking about, of course he doesn't believe anything I say so................

CF is sharp for a young-un that is still "wet behind the ears":highfive

He's a Farmer Don G. The ones i knew my Grandpa and his brothers were sharp also. And he is absolutely right the gov has taken a good motor and turned it into a boat anchor.

(on soapbox) Goverment regs have ruined so much more.... :mad: ( stepped down)

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Originally Posted by crappie 11

He's a Farmer Don G. The ones i knew my Grandpa and his brothers were sharp also. And he is absolutely right the gov has taken a good motor and turned it into a boat anchor.

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Couldn't have said it better myself.CF