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I have a 798 in the dash and a 1198 next to the console. I have dual ducers for the 1198 and have the 798 ducer within 8 inches of one of the 1198 ducers. The 1198 is connected to the battery and the 798 is through the master fuse panel. Voltage is not a problem. All the ducer wires are run from the back togather. Problem, I get some lines on both units as long as they both are powered on. Turn one off, the lines go away. Turn the motor off and no change.
Any ideas?
Anytime you run two units that operate on the same frequency, you will get interference. It will normally start to be a problem when the water depth gets as deep as the separation between the transducers. If you can run one of the units on a different frequency that should help.Quote:
Originally Posted by E-Z Poleholder
Had the same thing one time with console unit and one on trolling motor. Both on same frequency lines across screen had to turn one off.
Thx, CF.. And that would be a setting in each unit?
I would eliminate the 798 transducer as the 798 and 1198 will work off the same transducer.
I don't think it's possible to turn off the 200kHz in HB units as the depth is derived from the 200kHz beam...Quote:
Originally Posted by E-Z Poleholder
(If I remember correctly.. The unit can be set to "display" 83kHz only, but it still does not shut off the 200kHz in order to continue reading depth)
It is possible to turn off the sonar completely in newer versions of software and use the unit as a GPS chart plotter without any sonar...(if the unit is a combo unit)..pressing the power button 1 time should bring up a menu that contains "Sonar Off"...which would allow 1 unit to use all functions and the second unit to allow GPS chartplotting only...
Rickie
Thanks guys, I'm going to order an Ethernet cable from HB and I think that will let both units use the 1198 ducer. Right?
The smaller unit has to be a 798ci HD SI to be Ethernet compatable...("HD" in the 700 model name)...Quote:
Originally Posted by E-Z Poleholder
Humminbird Ethernet Overview
Rickie
Thanks for your help. I have a 798CI SI COMBO and a 788CI COMBO, neither have the Ethernet capabilities. Wish I had thought about this when I bought them. I need a unit the same physical size to fit the hole in my dash that is Ethernet ready and at this point I think all I want it for is to share waypoints, have maps, speed, temp, depth and be a color unit. I won't need side scan or down image since I have the 1198 at the console as well. I can't see a use of the side scan on the TM, can you? Best bet is to sell/trade the 798 for one that I can connect. Any suggestions? Thanks again...
I have my SI surf board TX on the troll motor. That is where I spend most of my time.
I put the 798 on the TM to start with and never was able to get much since most of the time I slow troll there. And was turning the TM a lot and got skewed displays all the time. Where am I going wrong.? Right now I have my 788 connected to the US2 on the TM but do wish I had thought about this Ethernet in the beginning. Now I can see me getting rid of both the 798 and 788 and maybe get two of the 788CI HD DI units, one for the dash and one for the TM. Ur thoughts?
So many options..so many decisions...sometimes makes it very difficult...
I would suggest consider your preferred fishing styles and try to match the sonar technology that best helps accomplish success with a certain unit at the separate stations in the boat...(2d or DI may or may not be your personal choice for the console in your fishing style, SI may or may not be your personal choice for the bow in your fishing style, etc...) those decisions you have to make...
2d advantage is sitting on top of structure..(and high speed depth readings)..
DI advantage is getting a better understanding of what the 2d can show...
SI advantage is finding structure out to the sides of the boat...
GPS advantage is marking structure to be able to come back to it later...
Even networking 2 units together has advantages and disadvantages (sharing info vs possible interference issues..etc)...
There's even still the option of HB Interlink to connect your existing 798 and 1198...and this entails advantages and disadvantages also...
Rickie
Thanks, I was under the impression that if I connected them via Ethernet the in interference would be eliminated. ??
i had planned to locate bait, fish, structure, etc with the SI and DI at the console. Mark those and come back using the WP set along with the sonar up front, which is at this time US2. Fish those spots along with slow, slow trolling and possiblly mark some more spots from there that I would like to be on the FF at the console. Along with all this, I would like to have maps at the console while I have the 1198 on full screen, since I need to fill the hole in my dash with something useful.
The jest of it all is, I would like to Ethernet all of them and eliminate as much interference as possible. I don't think interlink would help me as I think I would still have the interference between the ff in the dash and the 1198.
Ur thoughts?
thx
gene
Interference would depend a lot on how the units are set up with Ethernet...
If you Ethernet using 1 Xducer shared ....this would eliminate possible sonar to sonar crosstalk interference but could still have power wire related interference issues..(interference can come from several different sources)...
Rickie
So here's a scenario that may be a possibility as you have already mentioned getting a new unit for the bow and an extra unit for the console...
You are slow searching sitting at the console...
*The 1198 is already there...
*The new extra unit could be a DI combo unit...
This would allow:
1. Full screen SI on the 1198 - Full screen chart on the DI combo
2. Full screen chart on the 1198 - Full screen "True" DI on the DI combo
3. Full screen chart on the 1198 - Full screen 2d on the DI combo (for high speed..might need a "Y" cable with a shoot thru hull 2d Xducer)
4. (Other scenario page views)
Ethernet both console units to a bow mounted SI combo or DI combo...
You now move to the bow unit to fish...
This would allow...
1. 2d - with sharing waypoint data from either console unit..
2. SI or DI - with sharing waypoint data from either console unit...
3. (Other page scenarios)..
Rickie
I really thank you for all ur input, u have given me much to consider.
i have a war eagle predator, which is alum. When I installed the 1198 I had a power issue not getting enough amps where the old ff was connected so I wired it direct to the bat with an inline fuse.
looking at ur last, what I want is full SI or SI/DI on the 1198, full chart most of the time on the DI unit in the console. And I want the one on the bow to mostly have chart which I will use the US 2 ducer, and I want all 3 to share waypoints. Right now, I have the 788 on the bow and since i use the US 2, there is no interference, but it won't Ethernet. So, I'ma have to change it out too and purchase many wires and the gizmo to have more than 2 Ethernet units. I C this getting expensive.... But what I have is not working, so...
Right now, I have the 1198 at the console with 2 ducers on the back, left/right, works great on SI or any mode with the 798 powered off. When Im n DI mode, it only uses the right ducer and I figured if they were Ethernet the second unit would use the right one as well.
Clear as mud?
gene
One thing to remember in the scenario that you are contemplating...
The 1198 is a SI technology unit...
If you Ethernet the 1198 to a DI technology unit (DI in the model name)...they will not be able to share any sonar data...they will only share GPS data (waypoints, routes, tracks)..
So if you decide on a DI technology unit next to the 1198... Each unit's respective Xducer would have to be used...(they cannot share an Xducer)...
So consider the scenario of your idea for both console units, ethernetted together, sharing 1 Xducer.....both would have to be SI units to share GPS data "and" sonar data...
But as you have indicated 1 of the console units would be on full chart most of the time ...which would most likely have very little chance for any interference issues...(this unit would have to have the sonar turned off in the menu to keep the 200kHz beam from operating)...
Rickie
So, am I correct in my thinking that I could connect up to 5 units via Ethernet and the gizmo, and as long as they all were SI units and they would share the same ducer, gps, ect. And I could set a waypoint on one and it would be shared with all.
I don't want to turn off the sonar on any of them if I can avoid that.
So then what would be wrong with having my 1198 at the console, a 598ci hd SI in the dash,(it appears to be the same physical size as the 798 and would fit the hole already there and has a 5" display) and also another one at the bow, but connected to the US2 on the TM, and a 998c SI on the back for use when pulling crank baits. it helps to have a larger screen there for me. All 4 would be in the network and All of them could share the same ducer except the one on the bow. And they all would share waypoints, etc..
If this is a feasible idea, then that's where I'm headed, if not, back to the drawing board...
ur thoughts?
thx
gene
O, well, just read where the 598 doesn't have Ethernet, so replace the two 598s above with 798s..
Here is the gizmo you mention...It allows up to 5 ethernet items...
AS ETH 5PS :: Humminbird
Also you would need this cable to connect the 700 series unit to the ethernet...
AS EC QDE
Remember that only a 700 series unit that has "HD" in the model name is compatible with Ethernet..
Now, let's look at your possible setup...
*798ci HD SI Combo -in the dash
*1198c SI Combo -on the console gimbal mount
*998c SI Combo -on the back
*798ci HD SI Combo -on the TM
This setup can be connected with Ethernet and share all sonar data and GPS data...
This setup can share 1 xducer and 1 GPS antenna for the first 3...
This setup can allow the bow mount 798ci HD SI combo to use the US2 on the TM...(if I read the forums correctly)..
Now, let's look at the problems with this setup...
The US2 crystals in the TM cannot read any SI/DI data..it is 83/200kHz Dualbeam 2d only...
The 798ci HD SI Combo cannot be connected to the US2 and the stock 798 SI xducer at the same time....
The 798ci HD SI Combo "Transducer Select" menu has to be set manually to "Universal Sonar 2" setting to use the US2...
The extra cost of the 798ci HD SI Combo using US2 2d is un-necessary when the SI is disabled...
I feel it would better serve your purpose to use a 788ci HD Combo on US2...(still Ethernet to the 4 unit setup to share GPS data with your network)....
Now (and this is important)...before your drop your dime on anything....
Give Greg time to have a chance to read this thread to make 100% sure that I haven't given some info that is incorrect...
(I don't work for HB...I just try to help guys interested in HB understand their possibilities... with info I have learned..:) )
Rickie
I can't tell u how much I appreciate ur help. It has helped me understand what I have and what I need and helped me understand these systems more. I have been shopping around for prices and also thinking about what I may be able to get for the two units I wont need in this setup. Good idea about the 788, that will save some $ too.
I will wait on you and/or Greg to say the word.
again, thx
gene
Rickie is correct.
One other issue that you may run into if you were to use one of the DI units at the console along with your 1198c Si unit: sonar interference. The DI sonar in the 788ci HD DI unit is at the same frequencies that are used for the Si sonar in the 1198c Si units. You run the real risk of sonar-to-sonar interference when running them both at the same time with their transducers on the back of the boat. I’m like Rickie and think that the 788ci HD model in the dash will work better for what you are wanting to do.
BTW: try turning on and up the Noise Filter menu setting on the units you have now. This can sometimes be used to counter the sonar interference in the 2D sonar (does not help with the Si or DI sonar).
Thanks Greg, how about I use a 788ci HD up front with the US2 and if I use a 788ci HD in the dash can it share gps and transducer with the 1198 and share waypoints? If so, that would save a bunch. I have already tested the 1198 and the 998 and they seem to work great. Just went in and selected the 1198 transducer and gps on both units.
Thx
gene
Sounds like you have a plan now gene...
1 other thing I will mention regarding Ethernet and waypoints...just for info sake...
Ethernet in the HB units does not actually transfer waypoint data into the internal memory of the remote unit(s)...
Ethernet allows the remote unit(s) to "see" the waypoint data in the residing unit...
Two things must happen for multiple units to "share" Waypoint data...:
1. All Ethernet connected units must be powered on
2. All Ethernet connected units must be set to "Share Waypoints"
What this means is....if a waypoint is marked on your 1198, and you then turn "off" your 1198.... None of your other networked units will be able to "see" that waypoint that was set into your 1198...
This is different from the previous "Interlinked" units which physically transferred (copied) waypoint data from the residing unit into the Interlink and into the remote unit internal memory...
Rickie
Correct again Rickie.
Gene,
If you have the 788ci up front Ethernet connected to the other two units you can share waypoints and GPS between all three units. Just know that to Ethernet connect more than two units together at the same time you will need to use the AS-ETH-5PS Ethernet Switch to do so.
Again, thanks for all the info. I got a cable and connected the 1198 and the 998 and had a great time looking at that setup. I did see what you said about the waypoints. Figured if I needed them on each unit for future reference or whatever, I would transfer them via SD card. Didn't see any other quirks, but I'm not totally set up yet. I've ordered some stuff and will work on it this weekend.. I'll post my progress.
Thx
gene
You know what? I ordered these cables and adapters to connect my 788, 798 and 1198 in the Ethernet network. They say these are for the 700 series HD units. Guess they didn't really try them because the cable ends wont fit the slot in the base of the 700 series. Who'd a thought that? May be dremel time....
Do you mean the AS EC QDE cable adapter end "will" plug into the back of the unit...but "will not" fit into the 700 base mount...??Quote:
Originally Posted by E-Z Poleholder
One of your previous posts mentioned that your units were a 798ci SI Combo and a 788ci Combo...
Have you replaced these units with "HD" units to be Ethernet compatible ...("HD" in the model name)...??
Rickie
Rickie,
In his 11-26-2012 03:38 PM post Gene mentioned a “788ci HD up front” and a “788ci HD in the dash”. These units will have the Ethernet connection that the AS-EC-QDE adapter cable connects to.
Thx guys
i did replace the units, I have a 798ci HD in the dash, a 788ci HD up front, a 998c SI in the back, a 1198c SI at the console. Got cables, adapters and the multi switch. I bought the 788 and 798 used and didn't have all the 'stuff' that comes in the box and the adapter cable will not go in the cable collector that was in the receiver I have. I could not fine anything on HBs site about it as I figured there was another collector somewhere.. I did find the info and now have to order those. I have connected everything without those temp. And stared testing. Looks like I need a software upgrade for the 788 it wont connect, but HBs site is down. My luck. Another problem I have not had time to research is, the 798 keeps giving me a 'sonar source lost' message. May also need upgraded software. If and when all this works, it'll be some kinda slick
Gene
Gene,
The Connector Collector parts (these are what hold the cables to the unit mount) for the 788ci HD and 798ci HD Si units are different than the ones for the older non-HD 788 and 798 units.
I was not aware of any problems with the Humminbird web site but there could be. If you are still having problems getting the software updates; send me a direct e-mail asking for them and I will get you fixed up.
Thx Greg, tried until late last night to no avail. Got up this morn and tried a few times and bout 8 am I got on and downloaded current software for all my HBs. Updated the units and they are all 4 in the network. Made all the settings I felt necessary and will take her OTW soon for final check offs.
I updated the 998 and must have forgotten how to get the readouts to appear on the bottom,,, I'm re-looking at that.
FYI for anyone lookin to do this,,, if u buy a new unit (700 HD series), the correct cable collector will be in the box. Buy used, it may not, as was my case. You still may need to upgrade the software, I did..
I may have said this before, but humer me... I had a hole in the dash where another unit was before and it didn't work. I took it out and put a 798ci SI there I already had. Worked ok, it's hard to find the best spot on the transom to mount the transducer so both sides will be at their best. I had a 788 up front on the TMs US2 sonar. This was all ok, but u know how it is... In the mean time, I had bought a 998 and had it at the console. I was getting some interference, so I moved the ducers all around trying to get it better. Well, got a chance to buy a 1198 which I've wanted for a long time, mounted it at the console, moved the 998 to the back to use pulling cranks. That 1198 is so big the interference was way too much. Didn't get a good pic at all with all those ducers on at the same time. Turn them off and the pic was awesome. Hence, Ethernet.. I found a 788 hd and a 798 hd and thats what im using. Gonna sell the two i have that are not HD. I now have 2 ducers on the 1198, using the one on the right for DI on the 1198, and for the 998 and 798. TOW will tell if all that works or not. I'll let u know. I already know using two ducers on the 1198 is worth the money.
Got everything install on a temp basis and took it out for testing. 788 up front uses the US2 on the TM and shares GPS with 1198. The 798 in the dash and the 998 in the rear all share the same transducer and GPS with the 1198 as well. Worked great.
front view, forgive the mess, I'm routing the cables today
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Rear view
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