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My question is, can I have a concealed weapon in my boat, while on the water, like I can in my vehicle, without a CCW liscense? I catfish at night a lot and by myself, I do carry a gun, just do not always want to wear it on my belt, and I have let my CCW expire. and would this law change on the mississippi river, given that we share this water with IL?
Sounds like a CHL instructor question. Believe I'd call one and ask that question. :dono
Maybe Gunner our Iowa buddy will see this and have the answer.
http://www.learntocarry.com/
Look at the "Missouri Castle Doctrine", thought this morning the link tries to load, but hasn't suceeded yet. Another search for the same thing may provide better results.
Tim Oliver's LEARN TO CARRY - Missouri Concealed-Carry Courses, MO CCW Permit Classes, Info, News
Look at the "Missouri Castle Doctrine", thought this morning the link tries to load, but hasn't suceeded yet. Another search for the same thing may provide better results.
I had the same question this spring and called an agent a friend of mine knows. He said he thought it would be legal since your boat is your vehicle at that time, but to be sure to call the Attorney Generals office. I never followed through, but would be curious if anyone finds out a definitive answer.
thank you for the link, Phil. but, I couldn't find a definative answer on the links that were posted. but then again, all the legal mumbo jumbo get's me all confused, so it is probably in there somewhere. glad I am not a lawyer, having to read that print all the time! my wife is a 911 dispatcher here in washington, and I had her ask some city cops, but none of them knew for sure, either. but they all assumed it was legal on Missouri's waters but not on the 'sippi, because of Illinois's laws. they said I probably couldn't even have my pistol on my belt in plain sight on the 'ssippi, which is where I feel I need a gun the most, because I fish right around St. Lou a lot. I don't mean to sound like another paranoid, gun-toting fool, but with the wife's job I get to hear about all the local crazy's, and so I prefer to pack.
I feel the same way, there are many situations I feel more comfortable with a gun.Quote:
Originally Posted by south point
I’d rather get caught with one than without and I don’t have a CC.
I would rather be trialed by 12 then carried by six
yeah, I agree. I pray to God that I never have to use a gun against another person. I have, however pulled my gun out once. one night, I had an angry beaver circling my anchored boat and slapping it's tail on the water! did you know beavers actually growl like a dog?? I tried verbaly "shooing" him away and it came a little closer to the boat. it eventually left me, but for a few minutes I thought I was gonna have to shoot!:confused:
You do not have to have a ccw license to carry a concealed weapon in your car in missouri. Not sure about the boat.
Do you guys remember Spring Camp at Toronto a few years back? I think everyone from MO was packing that weekend. Looked like the Missouri Militia on a raid.
I was checked on stockton lake in the winter and the officer/and the highway patrol did not say any thing to the contrary about me having a gun in the boat, in the parking lot, or removing same and putting it in the truck...
Always carry at least my little pistol with me when fishing. After hearing about this crazy guy who dumped the young girls body in the lake it really got me to thinking about who you may cross paths with at a ramp before or after dark. I will ask Andy Bullock one of our local agents and see what he says about it. Until I hear different and maybe even after that I will continue to carry mine. It becomes second nature after a while to have it with me. Kind of like wearing a hat. Just does not feel right with out it.
Great Question. Never thought bout it much, always got something under the seat that throws lead. If I'm away from home overnight with the boat, the curtains stay open-it's my stuff and I want to keep it!! Not looking for trouble but don't want any either. Lot's of crazy people in this world
Just took the CCW course Saturday and remembered this thread so I asked the instructor. He said a boat is a vehicle so by the Castle Doctrine you can carry a weapon, concealed or not, inside your vehicle with or without CCW. Once again this was an instructor not a leo so take it for what its worth.
Question about concealed carry. I have a permit, but most of the year I only have on a golf shirt or T shirt which I wear tucked in. I have considered an ankle holster but I wear shorts a lot too. How about the wallet holsters?? I have a Baretta 25 cal. Wildcat or something like that. Not the best for firepower but would it be hidden in a wallet holster.
How do y'all carry. And don't suggest wearing my shirt tail out, can't do it, feel undressed.
I have a little Neoprene sleeve for my little Ruger .380 LCP. I wear it in my front pocket 90% of the time. The other way I wear it is inside the waistband which will not work if your shirt is tucked in. It takes the shape of the gun away and actually when wearing jeans you can't tell which pocket has my phone and which one has my LCP in it. Never even see it when wearing shorts and I can carry it in regular front pocket or in the larger cargo pockets. I can send you a picture if you want of the sleeve I use. I think it was like $10 at everharts and is a Bull Dog or Bully Dog brand.
I have a holster that fits inside the belt/pants, but you are right can't use with shirt tucked in. Shoot me a picture or the link to it on the net. Appreciate it.
Here is the link to the one I use.
Black Medium Inside Pocket Holster [BD-IPM] - $13.00 : Bulldog Cases!, Nothing protects your gun like a Bulldog
grown men should not wear shorts,
Come play a round of golf(I walk, don't ride in cart, 4 miles and hilly) or fish with me in August when it is 100 degrees and humity is 95% then tell me that. White Flag IconQuote:
Originally Posted by beagle man
South Carolina's tourist tagline is "Famously Hot". Devil Icon
SeaRay
searay, i fish when it 102 no wind, humid as all get out, and I still wear long pants and long sleeve shirt, oh and I am 6'2"289lb and quite good looking.
so if you want to wear shorts, wear them.
I like my shorts in the summer. But Beagle I have started wearing long sleeves in the summer. With the new heat gear shirts and even the new tournament shirts from Hooked Fishing they keep the air flowing through them and keeps the sun off your arms. Dad always wore cheap thin western style long sleeve shirts while in the hay field. I always thought he was crazy. But after a little sweat any breeze at all would keep you cooler.
Beagle, truth be told. long pants and shirts are probably a good idea to avoid skin cancer. Couple of my friends have had lesions cut off their face and arms. Just grew up in the hot humid south and always wore shorts and the majority of the guys here do, so even though it probably ain't a good idea I still do. Hope everything clears up for you in time for prime crappie time.
By the way, I tried copying the horse emicom and I can't get it animated, so I will have to do some digging.
Cheers.
SeaRay
I apologize for taking so long in responding to this question. I wanted to speak with some of the other entities and agencies involved with enforcing weapons and vehicles (your boat in this case). What I have gathered (based off discussion not quoting the law as written) is that boats are commonly considered vehicles, similar to your car. Just as boating under the influence is a violation like driving under the influence. With that said consider the legal methods for storing a firearm in your car and apply that to your boat. It would be very difficult to address every situation and to determine its legality on this forum. I would urge you to contact your local Conservation Agent or Highway Patrol Water Patrol Division officer (Water Patrol recently merged with MSHP) with specific questions.
Posted: 04 March 2013
-Dan Schepis
Conservation Agent
Clay Co., MO
Dan, I appreciate you taking the time to find an answer for us! I like to know I am within the law, and I also like having the peace of mind of having a little protection at all times. maybe I am just paranoid, but my wife is a 911 dispatcher so I get to hear about all the crazy stuff that happens. even in my quiet little town. I guess I don't need to tell anyone this, but there is NO WHERE SAFE ANYMORE!!! especially when your alone in the back woods. thanks again and be safe out there, Agent Dan!
Thanks Dan for the reply and effort put into getting the information. We are so glad to have you all on here to help with questions. Seems we have things we wonder about and if others are like me when I see an agent in the field I always forget ask. I am going to ask Andy Bullock our local agent to join on here. I think he would like the site just for the crappie info. Thanks again Dan.
Another thing to add to the Conservation Agents post is to ALWAYS LET ALL L.E. know you have a weapon as soon as you are contacted. Nothing worse than starting out on the wrong foot when they find out 5 minutes into the contact that you have had a weapon the entire time. Granted people forget things but with the kind of people we deal with on a daily basis you would be surprised how the little things are interpreted in our minds. L.E. want to go home at the end of their shift not to the hospital or funeral home. The law states you can have a weapon visible or concealed in your vehicle in the St of Mo and a boat is considered a vehicle/vessel in MO. You will not have any problems from L.E. with this in the state as long as you let L.E. know. It is not a law to advise them but it will result in a much friendlier result in the contact if you do asap.
So what do you do, blurt out "I got a gun!" instead of saying "hi"? Lol
Something like Hello Officer just want to let you know that I have a loaded/unloaded pistol/rifle/shotgun and where it is located. Dont reach for it just let them know where it is. Just lets us know you care about our safety like we care about yours. Im sure you wouldnt hurt their feeling by not saying Hi and blurting out "I got a gun!" instead. At least they will know about it. Our feelings are not easily hurt dealing with some of the people we do on an everyday basis. It nice when someone actually acts like they care we try to do our jobs instead of acting like we are wasting their time until, of course they actually need something.
i have a hand gun and live in il. can i carry it unloaded and in a case in my truck while going through mo. going to ok and would like to kn ow. we can carry it in our truck unloaded and in a case in glove bos. ammo can be with it also per state police. thanks
You can carry it loaded in your vehicle if you want too in Missouri as long as your not a felon and can legally own a firearm. As for Oklahoma or Arkansas or any state you go through I don't know.
I used to fish the Missouri about two times a week. I always carry a pistol in the boat loaded when on the river. I did talk to the HiPo and Conservation and got the green light. Got checked four times I think when the pistol was laying on the seat or on the dash and never had a problem. I always told them first thing that I had a pistol in the boat. I always walked away from the gun before I told the officer it was on the boat. Like as they pulled up I would walk to the front of the boat and then point back to the back of the boat and say I had it with me...No problems ever. They really could seem to care less to be frank. I only had a problem one time, 2AM one morning I am pulled up on shore with my catfish lines all out a friend and I . We were down by Missouri City. I look out the back of the boat and can see a jon boat in the channel behind me in the river with no lights on. The guy is pointed into the current just holding position and sets there for about five minutes with no lights on, i can see two guys in the boat. All at once the boat turns at us and comes right at the back of my boat, runs over all three of my lines(100 pound braid that costs a fortune that is now scared up) and pulls right up besides me still no lights on. Now it ended up being a Conservation officer training a new officer but the training almost got real for all of us. The officer never did turn his lights on and did not identify themselves before they got off the boat less than 20 feet from us. The officer did tell us that they like to sneak up on people to check them so they dont run off. I did not tell him that they were less than twenty feet from two guys holding 9MM as we were trying to figure out what the hell they were doing. My point? Never had a problem carrring a gun on the boat and I had no CCW at that time. However be careful....errors happen and the cost can be high for everyone. Make sure you are defending your life if you put your hand on it and be ready to be judged by 12 shortly after. Be safe...
I have a .380 in a wallet holster and love it. In cooled months it goes in the hip pocket of my jeans. In warmer it goes in the cargo pocket of my shorts. Hope this helps sea ray
Rather be caught with it than without it. If it is concealed, then no should know it unless you really screw up!