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Yep. Saw 1 tied to a green bouy in the Missouri River main channel.:yikes It was tied to the top and wasn't hard to see. Besides being illegal to tie anything to a bouy It would be REALLY DANGEROUS to run that thing. The current is to strong to mess with anything like that.
idiots! never know what you will see out on the water. one time I saw a guy trying to ride a bouy like a cowboy rides a bull. no pfd, no common sense. I wish there was more law out on the water.
Doesn't surprise me at all. The total disregard of what's right is a serious problem in this country. When I launched at Windsor Crossing Sunday morning I couldn't help but see and smell the large filleted catfish some idiot/idiots had left on the top post of the HANDICAP boarding ramp. No excuse for such flagrant stupidity!
Of course I discarded the carcass into the dumpster.
There are natural laws, studied and documented by Darwin himself. They settle the balance and score for those that do stupid.
the guy who set the line may not have known it was illegal......Most people don't until they're cited for it.
as far as running a trot line in swift current, that all depends on the persons level of experience and comfort levels. No different that operating a vessel at night.
Some can do it safely, some kaint.....
slabho
ignorance of the law is ones own fault.
To an extent yes, but that doesn't make them an idiot for it.
And there is a big difference between being ignorant of a law and ignoring a law.
Besides, there are too many laws to know all of them. I highly doubt that any of us can recite every fishing, boating, or traffic law that is currently written in the books.
slabho
You are right. Tying to a navigational bouy makes one a moron.
Not trying to pick a fight, but if anyone does not have the sense not to do that they are dangerous to others and themselves and deserve the darwin award that is coming to collect.
I agree with beagle, its your own fault if ya break a law. weather you knew it was a law or not, we all make our own decisions. not knowing a law is not what makes a person an idiot. I think it's the choices they make that reflect what kind of sense they have.
attaching a trot line to a channel bouy just sounds like a bad plan, a potential Darwin award for sure.
"You are right. Tying to a navigational bouy makes one a moron.
Not trying to pick a fight, but if anyone does not have the sense not to do that they are dangerous to others and themselves and deserve the darwin award that is coming to collect."
Lol....Really?
For someone who seems so concerned with that law, can you tell me one instance in which a trotline that was tied off to a buoy has caused damage, injury, or inconvenience to anyone or anything? I've never heard of it happening in 20+ years of running the Mississippi, and there is probably 3 times the amount of markers on it than there are on the Missouri. I'm not saying there isn't a good cause for the law, but I sure haven't heard of it. And, if the C.O.E. is so danged concerned about their markers, you'd think they'd keep better track of them.
You call a guy an idiot and a moron for not knowing a law that quiet frankly, most others don't either. It's not mentioned anywhere in the annual fishing brochure published by Missouri, nor the Wildlife Game Code booklet, nor can it be found through a cursory search of the C.O.E. Federal Regulations guidance.
Btw, I'm not trying to pick a fight either, just calling you a bit self-righteous... ;)
slabho
Curious why you think that?Quote:
Originally Posted by south point
How is it any worse of an idea than dropping a trotline 3' from the buoy but using your own weight and marker system, which is perfectly legal?
slabho
I guess I owe you an apology. I didn't know you were tying to bouys. Be careful out there.
Is that you ducko?RoflRoflRofl
I guess I owe you an apology. I didn't know you were tying to bouys. Be careful out there.
I didn't figure you'd have a very good explanation. You stay safe also, and always remember to activate your nav lights during low light conditions, even if you think you're the only one on the water! ;)
slabho
LOL. I wondered why he was defending it so much. RoflQuote:
Originally Posted by kcbrown
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Originally Posted by Krazy
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yep, just having a flash back from the old days! LOL
I'm just having a little fun with these boys, that is all. They bite a lot better here than they did on the old board. LOL
Hows things going on your side of the state? Been awhile since I've heard from you.
slabho
I'd bet any amount of money that the idiot didn't have any identification on it either. Those are my favorite people.
Lots of post-padding Mel's on here. LolQuote:
Originally Posted by slabho
Nothing much different over this a way cept gray hairs and old age.:popcorn
how is affixing a line to a river bouy dangerous? for one thing those bouys are attached to a fairly long cable and the bob and weave in the current like a prize fighter, try to run a trotline that is giving you slack one minute then pulling against you the next. your not gonna be able to steady it and it might just pull you right out of the boat. next scenario; because the bouy isn't stable its gonna pull slack into the trot line. this slack will allow a bow to the line toward the down river side of the bouy, which is the side you will approach with a boat. get that line hung up in the prop, get turned around backwards in the current and your boat will sink in seconds. gaurenteed. if you run the 'sippi a lot then you probably know this already.Quote:
Originally Posted by slabho
the reason you have never heard of someone getting hurt by lining off a bouy is that not too many people are gonna try it.
I'm not trying to start an argument, either. just saying my .02
All great points. How about if the trotline pulls you out and then you some how get hooked. In that current, it'll drown you quick.Quote:
Originally Posted by south point
I've had 2 buddies get trotlines in their prop on Truman and I can tell you I don't like the dam things at all. At least you can see jugs.
Plus there is the hooks to watch out for. I would be more worried about the hooks getting me with the unstable line. We never see anybody trying to trotline in the middle of the river except for this one time tied to a bouy. Everyone else has more sense.
Like I said, some folks are comfortable running lines in current some aren't. If you aren't, then yes, its a good idea to stay out of it.
And for the record, no, I don't attach my lines to a buoy. Mine aren't designed to be deployed that way. However, many times I have sunk my lead (le-ed) weight yards away from a buoy and use the buoy as a secondary marker.
PP, if you've never seen someone running lines in the middle of the river, then A) you haven't fished the river very much, or B) you're not out earlier or late enough to see them do it. 90% of the time my commercial lines were set in the channel or adjacent to it. And, FYI, several of the state record bluecat have been caught near the center of the channel.
But, back to my original point. I see no reason to call someone an idiot or moron for not knowing about that law. Its seldom ever talked about and dang dear impossible to find in any reg books. I equate that to the same as someone not knowing about the law that states you cannot sit on the top part of the upright section of your boat seat while in motion, which I see done all the time before people come up on plane or while trailering their boat.
slabho
Sounds like the same thing on this side of the state...except mine has accelerated since the R.E. bust. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Krazy
slabho
We fish the Missouri a LOT. Every weekend when weather permitting and all times of day. Fished both days last weekend. When it is hot we get there at daylight or fish late in the evening. Fished all night several nights. That is the first time to see a line in the middle of river attached to a bouy. Commercial fishing for catfish is illegal in Missouri. Just saying running a trotline in the main Missouri River channel is a good way to drown your ass.
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Originally Posted by perchplucker
LMAO!... since when? A guy gets called an idiot moron for not knowing about a seldom talked about law regarding tying trotlines to a nav bouy, and then in the same thread someone suggests that commercial fishing for catfish in Missouri is illegal...?.?
Nothing personal folks, but that is irony at its finest! :)
slabho
The Wildlife Code of Missouri 3 CSR 10-10.725 (4) May 16-Oct.31 on the Missouri downstream from Highway 169 to Miss. River all game fish (cats, paddles & shovelnose) may not be possessed or transported by commercial methods or while possessing commercial gear. Shall be returned to water unharmed immediately. (5) From Nov. 1- May 15 on the Missouri downstream from Highway 169 to Miss. River all game fish may not be possessed or transported by commercial methods or while possessing commercial gear. Shall be returned to water unharmed. So I think that means no commercial fishing for catfish. This rule book can be found where ever you get your license.
You said in Missouri, not on the Missouri.
I've got a rule book.
slabho
ya commercial fishing is definatly legal in missouri. its even still legal on some parts of the missouri river, just cant harvest game fish like cats. I have seen some guys running nets for carp amd buffalo, although very few times.
I stick to my guns, I would never tie a line to a bouy. just seems dangerous to me. not because of too much current but just because its a bouy and I stay clear of em.
and like slabho, I fish the fast flow. the blues really like fast water. I regularly anchor down on the edge of the channel and drift the channel. I would anchor down in the channel if it weren't illegal. if I ran lines I would most certainly have at least one line off the very tip of a wingdike stretched out into the channel. another on an outside bend, stretched into the channel. lots of folks do this and often times these are the same guys who regularly catch the most and biggest blues. if ya look close there are many lines run in the channel all over the washington area. too many dang trot lines if ya ask me.
Yes sir, lots of folks now days who buy a cheap trotline from wal-mart, set it out one weekend, and then leave it thinking they will come back the next weekend and rebait. The problem is many times they don't, and then it turns into a eyesore and a hazard. And of course, these are the lines that seldom labeled.
I'm not a big fan of having too many laws, but sometimes I wish there was one that required trotliners to bring their lines in daily and reset during each trip. I know guys who put one in during the spring and then leave it out until fall, but rarely re-bait or check it.
slabho
People like that shouldn't be allowed to use lines at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by slabho
Lines are suppose to be ran every 24 hours but that doesn't happen a lot. I know there are a lot of lines out this time of year. We have had to change rod & reel fishing spots a lot because when we pull up to a spot we want to fish it will have a trotline in it.:dono Saw the Conservation Agents going up Beouff Creek 1 day when the river was up and checking all the lines in it and there was a BUNCH.Some they checked and went on, some they left love letters on Rofl and a lot they just cut. I know a couple of times we were going down the creek to the river when we had to duck really quick to avoid a hook hanging down. They had put limb lines in when the water was up and then left them. So when water level dropping the hooks were left hanging in the air. Ouch that would hurt. Those got cut away for safety.
when I bowfish the creeks, about the most dangerous part is the left over limb lines that are hanging eye level. I have trolled into 2 of em. one hooked me in the arm as I was shielding my face and another snagged my sleeve. neither time was real thrilled. now if I see a line that looks abandoned or untagged, it gets cut and thrown away. I wont mess with a legal line but the rest are trash in my eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by perchplucker
hey perch plucker, how low does the river have to get before new haven access is unusable? I am gonna have to start looking for some new areas. I can't find a decient spot around here that doesn't have lines around it.
Isn't it a violation to mess with somebody else's trout line even if it's not legal?
Yep, and good way to get in a fist fight.
However, I have made exceptions when I am 100% certain that it is an abandoned line.
I have heard folks saying that they see illegal lines all the time that are untagged and feel it is their duty to cut the line, however in some instances the tag may be at the weighted end or far enough down the line that it isn't exposed.
No matter how pissed or curious you are, its best just to leave them be or let an agent know. Can't count the number of times I've come up on boats who were running my line or on top of it, and then use the excuse that they were just checking for a tag. Its none of their dang business.
slabho
Not for sure. Depends on how much water you need to float your boat. Every one seems to be doing fine right now with the water level. Headed to the Osage this weekend. Want a different body of water for a change. gonna try and make the bass bite. Taking the jet and running upriver and then fish back down.
your all correct in that it is against the law to mess with other peoples lines....I should have been more specific. I have respect for others prefered legal methods and would never interfere. I wouldn't begin to run anothers lines even if I didn't see the tags. I am speaking of OBVIOUSLY old lines that no one is coming back for. like the lines that are 6ft above the water and untagged, or rotten lines that look like they have been in the water for years, and are untagged. now that the river has gone down after a couple of years of high water there are lots of old lines littering the bank. the owners sure aint gonna come and get em after all this time. however IF they are tagged, I will leave em be, no matter how old they are. I do this in hopes of a warden coming along and finding those same lines and paying a visit to the litterbugs who didn't clean p after themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by slabho
thanks for the info, perch plucker. I am gonna give it a try this weekend.
I agree. Its common sense that you don't tie up to anything like that. It does make them an idiot. Have I been or done anything idiotic before.... um, Yes! Will I
do it again??? Probably soooo. There are soo many people out there that think its funny to do stupid stuff. That makes them idiots in my opinion. I once
decided to go fishing at night under the 13 bridge in Oseola. Truman Lake. When I got out of my car I stepped in human crap. That ruined that fishing trip to
say the least. Were those people idiots.... Yes!!! It doesn't make it OK that they had to go really really bad that they did it in the parking lot so someone
could step in it!!