residents age 65 to 74

What the heck??
Is this right??
You Now know who Not to Vote for??
banghead
SENIOR HUNTING/FISHING LICENSE EXEMPTION
For the last several decades, hunters and anglers reaching the age of 65 no longer were required to purchase hunting or fishing licenses.
In an effort to recoup some of this money from this growing user group, as well as federal excise taxes allotted to states based on the number of licenses sold, the KDWPT was in favor of a bill that would eliminate this exemption.
However, the bill was amended and the final version was signed last Friday by Gov. Sam Brownback.
“It ended up that residents age 65 to 74 would now be required to buy a hunting or fishing license but they would get that license for half price,” Tymeson said. “Or, the alternative of buying a one-time lifetime combination license when they reach age 65 at a greatly reduced rate ($40).”
The age for the total exemption needing a license will be 75. All new license changes will take effect January 1, 2013.

Let's Squeeze the old folks ...?nonono

Rick

That stinks!!!

Age has no bearing on the cost of managing the resources. Whether you are 25 or 75 it still costs the same to manage the resource. Quite frankly when it comes to fisheries, the retired folk spend a lot more time on the water than those of us that are of working age.
This is really an issue when many of those bitching the most spend more than the cost of the license on breakfast each morning they go out during the week?

Get real entitlement generation! You want to play you have to pay no matter the age! You still have to pay the same amount for a pound of hamburger dont you? Do you get a discount on a gallon of fuel to go to the lake? Do you get a discount on your bait that you buy to go fishing?
Stop and think about what you pay for EACH trip to the lake and you are worried about another $10 bucks a year for a license???? Are you serious? You spend thousand of dollars on a truck to pull your boat and spend hundreds of dollars to put tags on that truck but you are worried over 10 or 20 bucks a year to maintain the resources you so enjoy?

Not trying to be an ass but come on folks, you worked your life and I appreciate that but I as a taxpayer do not owe you anything because you did what all of us must do to survive. Get over the entitlement crap already!

This one has been beaten to death. It's a change that betters the state of KS and is a minor one, but you guys missed the most important change they made this year. :biggrin

ALCOHOL ON STATE PROPERTY

State law formerly allowed alcohol not exceeding 3.2 percent to be legal on state-owned areas like state parks, wildlife areas or state fishing lakes. Federal regulations were more lenient and created a discrepancy for enforcement for areas with both federal parks and state parks in close proximity.

“We didn’t feel that was a very modern approach,” Tymeson said. “Essentially, what this new law allows is for any alcohol to be on our properties and subject to any restrictions we put on it by regulation.”

In the past, areas with problems stemming from parties, etc., like some state fishing lakes, were posted “No Alcohol” to curb these activities.

That option is still available with the new law and can be expanded to other problem areas while allowing a consistent approach with federal properties as to the legalities of alcohol possession.

“This bill was signed by the Governor last week,” Tymeson said.

Just when I couldn't think of anything to get Dad for Christmas, along comes the state of KS to save the day! :biggrin

Lifetime combo and a box of shotgun shells! Sounds like a Merry Christmas to me!:cheers2

Let's Squeeze the old folks nonono That does stink!
Crappieslinger When you retire would you be willing to pay more than the non-retired working man?Since you will have time to use the lakes more.I think there will be something you were looking forward too when you retire that the state or feds will take from you and you might not be too happy about it!!Give an inch and they will take a mile.I just hope we will be able to have and afford the opportunity to fish during the week and eat breakfast when we retire.Hope they don't go after the kids next.nonono Just say'n!!

Gotta add that fishing during the week is the biggest thing I look forward too when and if I get to retire!!??!!:crazy:

very weell put kingfish to me it is not the money it is the point figured the new income would account for bout .3 % of the buget lets do away with the lifetime lic. and get another dab that sounds like we are really doin something????

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Originally Posted by crappieslinger

Age has no bearing on the cost of managing the resources. Whether you are 25 or 75 it still costs the same to manage the resource. Quite frankly when it comes to fisheries, the retired folk spend a lot more time on the water than those of us that are of working age.
This is really an issue when many of those bitching the most spend more than the cost of the license on breakfast each morning they go out during the week?

Get real entitlement generation! You want to play you have to pay no matter the age! You still have to pay the same amount for a pound of hamburger dont you? Do you get a discount on a gallon of fuel to go to the lake? Do you get a discount on your bait that you buy to go fishing?
Stop and think about what you pay for EACH trip to the lake and you are worried about another $10 bucks a year for a license???? Are you serious? You spend thousand of dollars on a truck to pull your boat and spend hundreds of dollars to put tags on that truck but you are worried over 10 or 20 bucks a year to maintain the resources you so enjoy?

Not trying to be an ass but come on folks, you worked your life and I appreciate that but I as a taxpayer do not owe you anything because you did what all of us must do to survive. Get over the entitlement crap already!

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This is the first time I've commented on this issue and now I won't have to since this post covers my sentiments exactly on this issue. Good and well reasoned post there crappieslinger.Thumbs Up

Taking more from the tax payers aint the "fix".:(

I've never been to any store that said if I purchased from them I would have it free at 65. Since 1970 each generation has paid for the retired generation. What we have here is the biggest jump in license fees and in hopes of keeping those future anglers our gov't has reneged on it's promise for seniors. This would've entailed a 50% increase in annual fees to compensate for the difference. My view on this is "how many STOP AHEAD signs do you need for a STOP sign?" We knew it was coming. It's not an entitlement, where do you get that? This has been stated for over 40 yrs. Next thing is my lifetime license, that's when I have to buy another now at age 65. I already anted up, and so have our seniors.

It is not the money it just the fact that they changed the way they treated the older folks, I just thought it was a nice thing for the state to do. They also lied about how much it cost. They stated they did not get matching fed money for the people over 65 since they did not but a license. They forgot to say if these over 65 bought a three pole, trout, or jug fishing permit then the feds counted those as a license. I would imagine that a lot of over 65 purchased one or all of these permits.

It's not an entitlement, where do you get that? This has been stated for over 40 yrs. Next thing is my lifetime license, that's when I have to buy another now at age 65. I already anted up, and so have our seniors.

Crappiedoc,I have used the statement "They are entitled to it" a few times in the past.And I stick too it!The reason being is the terms were set and accepted by those who are now at retiring age and ALREADY retired and been using their benefits.And this is not about the money!For me it's about were they are taking the money from.Our seniors!!If you buy a license once a year like I do and fish 12 times a year it only costs us about 2 bucks a trip for it.I think we should pay a little more just to leave the retirement Gift in place or at least grandfather in those that are close to retiring and retired already.Now I'm not saying they paid enough over the years I'm saying they paid what was asked of them to earn the gift.(Yes I said the word EARN)!If you invest in a 401 and MANAGE it then you will EXPECT to get a return on it.Now if your fund manager comes to you when you retire and says" you know this didn't work out so good for us so we need to keep YOUR money and need more!!I would not be too happy.:mad:Now some will respond about the losses they took during the market crash.So I will respond now.Trends showed that we were Due for a crash.And when banks were handing out mortgages to under qualified and 125% of home value.Well the math don't add up at the end of the day.

Sorry Crappiedoc and to everyone I got a little carried away and off topic. Good fish'n too yen's!:highfive

PROTECT OUR SENIORS AND OUR CHILDREN.IT'S OUR JOB!!

Thumbs UpKingfish, No offence here. You and I are on the same page. I look at entitlements like politicians do, they won't evoke any campaign reform because they'll lose their "entitlements". I really did enjoy your post and believe it from my heart, I promise.Thumbs Up

You Kansas boys need to move to Illinois to really appreciate what you all have there in Kansas. In Illinois upon reaching age 65 you can purchase a fishing license for half price each year for the rest of your life. At age 100, assuming you are alive and still chasing fish, you are still paying half price for your license. During that ten year period where you can get a lifetime license for $40 sounds good to me. Here in Illinois for that ten year period we would be paying $77.50 - assuming that the price will not increase during the next ten years. Also, you fellows don't have your past two governors sitting in a federal prison.

I copied this directly from KDWP&T website:

"SB314 -- This bill would eliminate the hunting and fishing license exemption for residents older than 64. The bill was introduced at the request of KDWPT to broaden the funding base for wildlife and fisheries programs and capture license dollars and federal aid from a growing constituency group. This bill had a hearing Friday, February 17, 2012, and the hearing was continued March 1, 2012. This bill was amended to allow seniors to purchase a lifetime combination hunting/fishing license that would likely cost $40 or they could purchase an annual fishing or annual hunting license for $9, which is half-price of the current annual licenses. The amendment also provided a license exemption for those 75 and older. The bill passed out of the Senate Committee on Natural Resources as amended on March 9, 2012. This bill passed the Senate on Emergency Final Action 23-17. It was referred to the House Committee on Agriculture and Natural Resources and has a hearing scheduled for Tuesday, March 20, 2012, 8 a.m., RM 783 Docking. The bill passed out of committee and is on House General Orders. This bill was passed out of committee with amendments that include the provisions from HB2295. This bill passed the House 64-55 and was sent to Conference Committee where it remains. The Conference Committee further amended the bill to remove mandatory hunt-own-land deer permit checks and added in some of the provisions of HB2709, increasing penalties for wildlife violations. The Conference Committee Report was then passed by both houses and the bill awaits the governor's signature. "

I think that both sides of the issue can make good justification for their position. If I had just reached 65 I would likely be a little upset. I also understand that the cost of the license is a drop in the bucket of the total cost for a days trip.

One thing I think think needs to be addressed is that it could have been alot worse. The bill was amended that actually reduced the proposed license fee. Also it did not eliminate the excemption just added another ten years. So at 65 you can buy a lifetime license for $40 which ends up being $4 dollars a year until the 75 age exemption (assuming that a person lives another 10 years). If inflation is factored in it is probably less than $4 a year.

Now if we can get this whole property tax issue on boats worked out this fall..........Maybe the folks that have boats registered in Kansas might come out ahead when it's all said and done.:dono

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I copied this directly from KDWP&T website:

"SB314 -- This bill had a hearing Friday, February 17, 2012, and the hearing was continued March 1, 2012.

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Great post kscrappeye. One of the first things that came to my mind when I read your quote is I wonder how many of those that are opposed to these changes actually contacted their representative or better yet was present at the hearing to provide feedback? We can all be armchair quarterbacks but that does little to advance the cause.

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Originally Posted by kscrappeye

I copied this directly from KDWP&T website:

"SB314 -- This bill would eliminate the hunting and fishing license exemption for residents older than 64. The bill was introduced at the request of KDWPT to broaden the funding base for wildlife and fisheries programs and capture license dollars and federal aid from a growing constituency group. This bill had a hearing Friday, February 17, 2012, and the hearing was continued March 1, 2012. This bill was amended to allow seniors to purchase a lifetime combination hunting/fishing license that would likely cost $40 or they could purchase an annual fishing or annual hunting license for $9, which is half-price of the current annual licenses. The amendment also provided a license exemption for those 75 and older. The bill passed out of the Senate Committee on Natural Resources as amended on March 9, 2012. This bill passed the Senate on Emergency Final Action 23-17. It was referred to the House Committee on Agriculture and Natural Resources and has a hearing scheduled for Tuesday, March 20, 2012, 8 a.m., RM 783 Docking. The bill passed out of committee and is on House General Orders. This bill was passed out of committee with amendments that include the provisions from HB2295. This bill passed the House 64-55 and was sent to Conference Committee where it remains. The Conference Committee further amended the bill to remove mandatory hunt-own-land deer permit checks and added in some of the provisions of HB2709, increasing penalties for wildlife violations. The Conference Committee Report was then passed by both houses and the bill awaits the governor's signature. "

I think that both sides of the issue can make good justification for their position. If I had just reached 65 I would likely be a little upset. I also understand that the cost of the license is a drop in the bucket of the total cost for a days trip.

One thing I think think needs to be addressed is that it could have been alot worse. The bill was amended that actually reduced the proposed license fee. Also it did not eliminate the excemption just added another ten years. So at 65 you can buy a lifetime license for $40 which ends up being $4 dollars a year until the 75 age exemption (assuming that a person lives another 10 years). If inflation is factored in it is probably less than $4 a year.

Now if we can get this whole property tax issue on boats worked out this fall..........Maybe the folks that have boats registered in Kansas might come out ahead when it's all said and done.:dono

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Yeah Kscrappeye the property tax rate is what really chaps my hinney and after I called the tax assessment office in Topeka I had a little more hope that they will change the way they tax boats: supposedly by 2013 but probably not in effect until 2014, the lady i talked to was nice, sympathetic and helpful but you never know what the government's going to do....she said they're talking about a low flat evenly distibuted tax and a small registration fee....I'm not holdin my breath.