spider rigging and long lining. I know spider rigging is done out the front of the boat. Is long lining just pulling jigs and/or minners out the back of the boat?
Which do you guys prefer to do at the lake?
Thanks
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spider rigging and long lining. I know spider rigging is done out the front of the boat. Is long lining just pulling jigs and/or minners out the back of the boat?
Which do you guys prefer to do at the lake?
Thanks
I've never heard of long lining with monnows, also, long lining is at faster speeds. That's what I get from discussions on here.
Yeah, spider rigging is often called SLOW trolling like at .1 MPH where Longlining is more like 1 to 1.5 MPH. I am very interested in learning the longlining game and plan on doing alot of it after the spawn is over. I do pull cranks and I do that from the side and plan to longline the same way, pulling cranks I run around 1.5 to 2 MPH.
It all takes time on the water to learn, no substitute.
Good luck.
Good topic we need a longliner to break the steps and proceedure down for us kind of like the craintbait thread. Any one care to break it down for us?Quote:
Originally Posted by duck38866
That would be awesome!!!
You guys need to talk to gabowman all he does is longline
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Yeah, Creekslick on the AR. board LL's all the time too.
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Sent creek a pm seeing if he would or minded posting a thread on our board explaining longlining and basic how to.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigRiverMarine
I'll throw in my 2 cents worth if it'll help somebody...
My LL set up is pretty basic. I have 8 rodholders across the back of the boat along with 3 more on each side rail near the back of the boat. I have rods ranging from 5' to 14' long (that I have added since taking this picture). From the motor going out on each side I fish a 5' nearest the motor, then a 5.5', another 5.5', an 8', a 10', a 12' and a 14' pole. All of my rod tips are set about 8"-10" off the water and theyre as level as I can get them. My boat is powered with a MK trolling motor with an I-pilot. If you dont have I-pilot you atleast need autopilot but you'll find that youre constantly working on your speed setting while mine is running on cruise control. I also have a depthfinder with GPS on the console that I'm constantly watching and also marking any brushpiles I come into contact with so I can avoid loosing jigs pulling over them again. Here's a picture of my setup...
http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/j.../IMG_LLing.jpg
When I started longlining I didnt know much at all about it. I didnt know there were set rules you had to go by and after alot of experimenting I found out that there are no rules to longlining. Sometimes the more you think "out of the box" the more fish you'll catch. I've pulled single 1/32nds, 1/16ths, 1/8's, double jigs on every line, even single jigs with splitshot added to get 'em deeper. I've pulled jigs in water 2' deep to water 30' deep and have caught fish in most any depths at one time of the year. I will change up to minnows spider rigging IF/WHEN I cannot catch 'em longlining which isnt very often.
The depth of your jig is measured in 3 main ways...speed, jig weight, and amount of line out of the reel. A 4th way would be the height your rods are off the water. Mine stays low to avoid winds blowing the lines around and it allows my jigs to run a little deeper too. I have suggested to many folks that if youre serious about longlining there are a few things you need to learn after getting your boat set up. And that is how to determine wheere your jig is running. The best way to KNOW is to set all your rods up with the same set up (to make it simple start out with every rod having a single 1/16th jig tied on). From deep water, get the boat speed set at a certain speed (I like .8 mph) and cast all our rods out "on a good throw" and place 'em in the holders. Now stay at that constant speed and head towards shallow water while watching the rod tips. When the rod tips start bouncing your depth finder will tell you how deep the jigs are running. Repeat this process with whichever setups you think you want to pull and learn the depths.
Out of my rig, I know a 1/32nd jig with 4lb line "on a good throw" is running about 4'-5' deep whereas a 1/16th is running about 8' deep "on a good throw". If I want to run a 1/16th jig about 5' deep then I dont throw the jig out as far. If I want a 1/16th jig to run 12' deep then I add a splitshot about the same size as the jighead to the line and thow it "out on a good throw". If i want a 1/32nd to run a couple feet deep then I give all my rods a half cast and pull 'em half the distance from the boat as normal. The thing I'm getting at is you NEED to know where the jigs are running so you can keep your baits ABOVE the fish. The depth finder will tell you how deep the fish are and you want to keep the jigs a foot or two above them. Youre trying to catch the agressive fish so as long as your jig is above it's head, even by a couple feet, he'll attack it. If all your jigs are below the fish...well, you gonna have a long day.
There's alot of baits a LLer can use. Some use tied jigs, and yes...even tipping with minnows if you want (remember, there arent any rulesThumbs Up). I prefer the 2" curly tail grubs that Southern Pro sells. I know there are plenty of different brands of baits and most of you guys know that on any given day the fish can prefer different colors so keep a good supply of alot of different colors. I have been mostly getting all my jigheads from LiteWireHooker off the Ga board. Others on CDC also sell the jigheads with the lite wire hooks too. Those lite wire hooks sure have saved me countless breakoffs from snagging brush.:)
Lastly, fish where theyre at. You aint gonna fill your livewell fishing the part of the lake that isnt holding fish. I never put my lines out until I see something of interest on the graph. I'm looking for bait and fish but as long as I'm seeing plenty of bait I feel the fish aint far away. If I idle around in an area and dont really see much on the graph then I'll go somewhere else. And if the second spot doesnt look promising then I'll go somewhere else. And at your fist stop if the fish aint biting dont spendd all day in that rea. Go looking for another spot to fish. I see soooo many people fishign a creek and then go home saying they aint biting. IMO, the fish ARE biting somewhere. It's just up to you to find 'em.
It has already been said, but nothing will replace time spent on the water experimenting. I'm still learning somethine new all the time. I started out night fishing for crappie when I was a boy, then switched to single pole fishing during the daytime as I got older, then moved to spider rigging, and now I longline troll 99.9% of the time. It's an exceptional way to catch alot of fish and a great way to share with kids and friends or family. It's also a pretty laid back way of fishing IMO, but it can get pretty hectic when a half dozen fish hits at once when you already have a couple of long rods laying in the boat with fish flopping around too.:)
You are going to find out that different people LL differently but that's alright. Remember, there are NO RULES!:p
Great explanation gabowman. Thanks
One of these days im going to have enough pocket change saved to come fish with yall. I can show yall how NOT to LL troll Rofl but we can have some fun anyway.
Friday we were fishing in 5 fow with maybe 20' of line in the back and 40' or less in front at 1.5mph with single 1/16 jig .
As they go deeper let more line out and slow the boat down. (.7 to 1.5) 1 mph is a where i normally fish untill they get real shallow. we fish 18 poles, man it's fun when that hybrid runs through every one of em. banghead
I use the southern pro grubs and litewire hooks as well. Double rigged a lot when there deeper. #5 reusable splitshot to help get em down too. 1/16 , 1/24, 1/32 round, minnow head or pony jigs. I keep saying im going to spider rig and never do it just stuck in rut with LL.
I LL 99% of the time as well, and from the front of the boat using a driftmaster T bar rod holder, with one rod out each side of the boat. The coves I LL in are narrow, so I don't deal with the 8 rods as I can't make the turns with 8 rods out. I reel both rods in when I turn and throw 'em back out on the return trip. My speed is anywhere from .7 up to 1.2 mph, all the info in gabowman's reply is spot on. Adjusting the speed of the boat will move the jigs up or down in the water column a bit. Some LL with 2 rods, but you can use however many rods the regulations allow in your state, either from the front, the sides or the back of the boat. It really depends on how you want to do it and where your rod holders are, will fit, as you need rod holders just like in SR. I use the same set up when pulling CB's as well, just different rods.
Great info Gabow. Nice setup you have on that boat!Seems like a crappie would be real eager to hit a jig or bunch of jigs as opposed to a much larger crankbait.I look forward to giving it a try this year.Do you use mono or braid?
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GABowman nailed it. Consistency is the key. Don't be afraid to zig zag while pulling to some times you will find they bite when turning. Take note of which side. If on the inside of the turn, they are a little deeper or you need to slow down. If on the outside, you need to shallow up or speed up.
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I will add this to what Gabowman said. Where I fish most of the time, Greers Ferry Lake, the fish supend in or just above the standing pole timber that was not cut when the lake was built. So I try to troll my jigs just above them but I do get hung a lot so I use Prower Pro braid 20/6 on all my rods. I use my rods that I pull cranks with when longlining but I don't use my line counter reels. Some else said some thing about the hybrids and whites being fun, boy can they make a mess. They are the reason I usually only pull 1 jig per rod some when they tangle 4 or 5 rods together you can get some of them apart without cutting and relying all of them. I use the same rod holders that I pull cranks with also. For those that have not seen my boat I have driftmasters mounted on the grab rail on each side. In my opinion the I-Pilot is a must. Get to the speed you want hit the cruise control button, follow a recorder track or use the auto pilot and you can land you fish without have to try and control the boat.
THANKS GUYS THIS INFO IS WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR GREAT INFO. THATS WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THIS SITE. GREAT PEOPLE THAT HAVE GREAT INFO AND DO NOT MIND HELPING SOMEONE LEARN THANKS AGAIN
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Thanks guys.
I don't know if you can do it or not "G" ? But if you could copy and paste this to a sticky called long lining on the regular Mississippi board it would be great for future reference.
Really good info here, thanks guys. I would also like to get some insight from Brad & Bo and Bernard.
I use Hi-Vis 6 # line. The reason I like Hi-vis is so I can see which way the fish is pulling and can work it away from other lines which can cause tangles if you just let it happen. Also I can see my other lines and it makes it easier to cast a rod back out after catching a fish. All of my lines are @ 2' apart. I should mention...for the most part, I fish clear bottoms in the lakes I fish.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlabLapper4sure
Sounds like to much work to me!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yall can have that mess!!! This is me right here...:fish...thats the way you have fun and relax. Dang , if I wanted to work I'd just stay at the house!!Rofl
I found out it's a pain in the butt pull them out the front of the boat in a cross wind. The back of the boat kept going to the side and the downwind lines were under the boat at times Sunday
Bill showed me a way to do this using a slip bobber to keep the jig at the right depth when going slow....just a idea....