heres a good place where everyone can post about their longlining setups and experiences and we can come back and reference it all in one place like pulling crankbaits 101.
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heres a good place where everyone can post about their longlining setups and experiences and we can come back and reference it all in one place like pulling crankbaits 101.
Here is my experience
It didn't take me but one time of pulling out the front to know I had to put my motor in gear b4 starting the pulling. The prop turning will tangle you up bad in a turn. I run bout 1.2 with 2- 1/8oz RRs on each line, with bout 35-40 fol, tip of pole bout 1-1 1/2 ft above the water. I think that makes a big difference. Where I have learned the most was at Wolf Lake where it's flat and bout 12 ft deep and it's no problem knowing when you dragging the bottom. My 35-40 ft will run bout 10-11 ft deep, 45 drags the bottom. You can judge from there how much line and speed you need to do what. Gives you a good idea of what will happen when you change number jigs, sizes/weights too. BTW, it's much easier to LL from the same holders in the back and much less tangles and easier to boat that slab. I use 7', 11' and 14' on each side of the back, more is too much for me...
I also make my own RRs and it matters what size blade you use, so find some you like and stick with that until you get the hang of it.
Here's a link to Bernard's article. Bout as good and simple as anything I've read on it.
http://www.magnoliacrappieclub.com/a...LongLining.pdf
To date, I have long lined a total of 4 times. Twice on Enid, and now twice on Grenada. What I never could figure out was when and where and why to use the technique. So far this is the answers I've come up with:
When - Anytime will work, but for me, I'm prone to give it a whirl when the fish are scattered.
Where - Anywhere you're willing to do it. From 3' deep to 30'....but given the propensity to get hung up, I'm tending towards flats and ledges that are pretty clean until I get much more comfortable about knowing where my jigs are.
Why - Bernard addresses that in his article....cover more water over a given time and more of the water column. For example, yesterday I was spider rigging in an amongst 21 boats and the bite died with the wind. I noticed that no one was really doing all that great and decided, what the heck, I'll give it a shot. I put 4 keepers in the boat and 15 throw backs in an hour. Spider rigging, I'd caught fish at all depths 4' to 13' deep and it was just a big flat with no real features. So I figured, even it I wanted to run at 6.2 foot and was actually running 4.1 or 10.2, it wouldn't really matter.
Also, at the very least, I could cover more water in hopes of finding an area that was better than another. Ended up having a run of bout 100 yards that was marginally better than the rest of the flat, but I could cover it in 10 minutes as opposed to 20 to 25 spider rigging, so I was able to make 2 passes in the time it took me to make one while spider rigging.
Bottom line, I still am not convinced it is the end all be all, but when the fish are confusing you and you're not able to discern a pattern to them, long lining can help put the puzzle together.
Wannabe...
I longline 99% of the time. I use 2 7' rods, 6lb test hi vis line, one rod off each side of the bow on a driftmaster T bar for 2 rods mounted on the center of the boat. Easy to see when I'm bumping bottom, hung up or got a one hooked. FF is mounted at my feet. Just got a new Terrova w/ Ipilot installed last week, and used it 2x this weekend, can control the boat & speed much better now. I usually LL @ ~1mph, but can vary up or down depending on the day and what the fish are looking for. I usually just cast out a normal cast using an open face reel, and close the bail. Sometimes I do let out more line to go deeper, or adjust my speed depending on conditions.
I mix it up as to whether I use 2 1/16oz jigs w/ grubs, or 1 1/16 or 1 1/8 oz jig on each rod. I may or may not use/add a splitshot weight to go deeper if needed, depending on whether I'm using 1 or 2 jigs. Their easy to add or take off w/o retying. Lately, and most of the summer I have been using one 1/16 jig and grub, and adding a splitshot about 12-18" above the jighead. The lake I fish has narrow coves right of the main channel(s) so I just reel the lines in and make a U turn and run right back over the same track in most cases. The main channels have too much boat traffic & wind to LL them. I do on occasion LL the main channels but only early in the morning before rest of the traffic gets out.
I've never tried spider riggin, and pull CB's the other 1%. I learned this weekend what a PAIN it is to get tangled up in the big motor prop with a CB. I also pull CB's w/ just 2 rods. never have seen the logic in using 6-8-10 rods when fishing, 2 is plenty for me. 2 rods make for an enjoyable day fishing, don't see how alot of rods out would make it fun, but that's just me.
picturess!
Thanks for the link--that was a very good read.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wannabe...
OK, if we're gonna make this competitive with the crankbait thread, I spose I ought to ask my questions here.
Why do ya'll use 6 lb or 4 lb line as opposed to 10lb or 8lb. I understand that the larger diameter will make the bait ride higher, but that can be compensated for with larger jigs, which are also easier to find with larger hooks. Sure does seem like you're asking for trouble with 4 or 6 if you get a really good fish on.
Wannabe...
Yeah what he said, I can't believe I just agreed with Wannabe !!!! DohQuote:
Originally Posted by Wannabe...
4-6 line on Butla is asking for trouble.
6# line is plenty if youre fishing with light wire hooks.Thumbs Up
Here's my longline set up in action...
Dang, but good info is hard to get around here. Sumbody better start answering my questions or I'm gonna pick of 'em out and make a hobby out of calling 'em names. I'm serious. I've done it before.
I can understand wanting a smaller diameter and considering that you most likely will break off a good bit, you're almost assured of having fresh line in the water most all of the time. That said....4 pound on Grenada is insane and 6 on Grenada would be asking for it. 8 gives me pause, but 10 seems more wise. Therefore, unless one of you LLers can convince me otherwise, I deem it ignernt to use anything less than 8.
Wannabe...
What's light line hooks got to do with it? GA? Heck, I bust 10# line with light wire hooks left and right. Pretty unusual to straighten one out and get it back at all over here. I'm talking 1/0 202ELs and Sickle Hooks which are even lighter than the 202s.
And refresh my memory. What model is your boat and how long is it?
Wannabe...
4-6 lbs line is plenty for 3 lbs fish....done it....limber rods and a lot of line = stretch/flex to make up for the tension.....use a long handled net....u can run deeper with less line, but yes 1/8 oz jigs will get deep with 8-10 lbs line....after you snag enough and try to break off 8-10 lbs line you will go lighter....lightwire hooks do help some and I have caught 4 lbs+ catfish and stripers on lightwire hooks....last year or so I have been using more sickle hook jigs and they will straighten out 1/2 the time with 6 lbs line....I know Grenada slabs are a whole different breed of big from what I have seen you gewbers post!....but just try it and see....if it don't work out call me a gewber !!!!Rofl
Please refer to the other longlining thread, before I start calling you names.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wannabe...
Gewber.
I like to get ahead on my to do lists. :)
Wannabe...
Referred and read.....STank 1. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tank 1
I'm not saying it's not possible or even probable to land a 3 lb fish with 4 lb test. Heck, I've landed catfish up to 15 on 10 and Carp up to 30 on 6. I'm just saying that you don't have much room for error with 4 or 6 like you do with 8 or 10. Especially when it comes to an unseen abrassion, knick or poorly tied knot. I'm sticking with 10 for now. Ya'll can be ignernt if ya want......And NO...it has nothing to do with having just ordered 3 spools of 10# test. Total coincidence. Honest. True story.
Wannabe...
There would be nothing wrong with using 8 or 10 lb test for LL, but why if you don't need it. My home lake has structure in it, stumps, submerged brush, trees, rocks, trash, (TVA lake in E TN), and you will get hung up at times, sometimes in the darnest places. Trying to break off 8 or 10lb gets old, so you end up cutting at the surface, and lose additional line and possibly create hazards for other boaters and wildlife. 6lb test will pull any crappie you can catch to the boat. 4lb test will do the same, you just have to be more careful on the retreive than w/ 6. You can break 4lb easy, 6lb fairly easy, well I can cause I've done it 100's of times.. If your lake has lots of structure, and you are LL IN the structure on purpose (similar to vertical jigging brush), you are just asking for hangups/breakoffs, etc. I would be trying to LL just over the top of the structure if it was somewhat consistent in height, such as a field of stumps all about 2-3' tall, then you would want the lure about 1 foot above the tops of the stumps on the assumption the fish are just below the stump tops. If you fish a stake bed, do you LL thru the stake bed or just over the top of the stake bed? But, if you want to 10lb go for it.
I just recently (this past summer) switched from 4lb line to 6lb hi-viz, and can't really tell any difference except for the hi-viz part. I switched based on some reading I did on another forum where the author was/is a very knowledgable LL'r, its all he does IIRC, and controls his depth by speed only, he states he consistently lets out the same amount of line via a consistent sidearm cast with an open face reel, and goes from there. He uses the same size jig as well, and adjusts his depth via speed control. Larger jigs don't always work, you're still wanting some action from the lure whether artifical or live, and heavy jigs reduce the action of the bait.
Since you appear to waant to learn about LL, you might want to consider trying to be "nice" and ask questions in an "non-ignert/non-gewber" manner, and the info you seek may be disclosed. Just a suggestion tho.
Ok then....that makes some sense. Ya'll need to take notes when Jimp types cause the rest of ya are ignernt. Guess thats what it comes down to...structure. I'm not comfortable with it enough yet to head towards the timber. Right now I'm running fairly clean flats. Guess I'm gonna keep on with what I'm doing until I get more experience and confidence with it and go from there.
Wannabe...
Here is another tip for ya. Check your lines for knicks and abrasions, and tie better knots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wannabe...
Oh and you should of bought 6 lb. ;)
WB, the lakes I fish in I mark brushpiles so I can AVOID them when longlining. The flats are pretty much clen of debri on the bottom except some short stumps. There is nothing wrong with using heavier line (10# or so) as long as you learn where the jigs are running. The way I did that was cast the lines out in deeper water (a normal long cast) with a 1/16th jig on the line and start trolling towards shallow water. I had a set speed of .8 mph. Watch your rod tip[s until they start bouncing and then you'll know how deep the jigs are running. Do likeeise using double 1/16ths, a 1/16th with a small spiltshot, and once you have that down pat you can re-tie on some 1/32nds and find out where theyre running. Experience after that is the key. Shorter casts or faster speeds run the jigs shallower. Slowing the speed and letting out more line runs 'em deeper. Especially when the fish are shallow I switch to all light wire hook jigs. If they hang something (other than a fish) most of the time the hooks will straighten out and alls you got to do is bend them back with your fingers and cast again. BTW, keep your drags loose so you dont break lines or a rod when multiple rods hang on a brushpile you didnt see. Hope this helped.:p
i'm wondering if that hook is the same diameter as what we use. i tried some lightwire hooks that was larger in diameter. eagle claw told me the ones we use were special order and the only person who had them was simmons in alabama. he only sells them in boxes of 1,000. i cant find the number on them right now but will check. there are couple folks on the GA board that sell these jigs. i get alot of jigs back on 6lb. heck with wally marshall 6lb and 4 rods hung on one side i have just about stalled the boat, at least turned it some.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wannabe...
This has to be the most BORING video I've ever watched. I felt like screaming SHADDUP!!!! The guy says maybe four words, and NO information whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by river slabs are better
I am sure when he gets back home from being deployed he will be making more videos. Maybe he will add some words in the next series for your viewing pleasure. The setup was the focus I believe for that one man production. He is one of the best on Clarks Hill day in and day out.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigRiverMarine
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OK, OK.....now that we've established ya'll is ignernt for using 4 and 6 pound test line and we've all agreed on it, let's move on to tipping with minnows:
Yes, or no and why? Also when.
Seems dragging a minnow at 1mph is gonna kill it pretty quick and how much swimming could it be doing being drug at that speed? Having said that, I've tipped twice and gone nekkid twice with about the same results....well, actually minnows won, but we're talking two different lakes about 18 months apart, so it's pretty hard to compare.
Wannabe...
Tip with minnows....YES! I also will add crappie nibbles instead of minnows just to see what they want that day. Smaller minnows than you would use for spiderrigging work better. They are more for sight & smell. Change them out if not getting bit after a little while. Change them out when switching colors. Have pulled them on just a jig head with no body too. Usually when water is colder and trolling slower and deeper. Mix it up with/without through out the day. Also, clearer the water the smaller profile and brighter colors vs. more stained bigger profile and dark colors with some kind of sent added.
Oughta no'd you werent gonna winn nuttin nekkid!!!RoflRoflQuote:
Originally Posted by Wannabe...
Shaddup Rees and quit being useless and worfless.
Shine, what kind of effect on depth does a small minnow make on the depth of the jig as a general rule of thumb?
Wannabe...
Now you done hurt my wittle feewins!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Wannabe...
LOL. I bet he Tolt the truth when he said he'd only been nekkid twice. Two B's. Hmmmmmm, I gotta believe him!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rees Guide
Very little difference, ofcourse you gotta hook them thru bottom lip up thru upper lip to make them run in line with the jig head. I am talking about 1-2" minnows and usually tuffies but shiners work too. I like rosie reds too when I can get them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wannabe...
An old timer once told me while ice fishing for Walleye years and years ago, "Son they like meat with their potato's". That has stuck with me ever since. And I'll be darned if it doesn't work for crappie too.:D
Turnips don't have feewings...turnip head. Pffft.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rees Guide
Thanks Shine. I'm headed out in the AM with 3 kids in tow and 12 rods.....should make for an entertaining day. Was thinking I'd skip the minnows altogether and just LL, but guess I'll take a few dozen along and experiment some.
Wannabe...
Come back and let us know how you do with your test. I've tried minnows before but to be honest I didnt try 'em on different days. I saw no difference in the LL bite by tipping some rods with minners the one and only day I tried it. I was told to use small minners so that is what I got.
Will do.....but honestly, if I don't do good with it, will that be any measure of it's effectiveness? Just keeping it real yo.
Wannabe...
Wannabe....the way I see it is....if YOU catch more than ONE fish......then I would have to think it is a highly effective method of fishing, lol
Well, here's your long lining report - I hate weathermen. It ought to be legal to draw and quarter them for sport.
Headed out and went where I thought I could fish with the wind, which was supposed to be NNW at up to 10. Well, get there and its a steady 10 due west. Drats. OK, put all the lines out. Actually, only had 3 rods rigged and had to tie as I went with the boat rocking and rolling and breaking up fights between all 3 kids as I went. That was not much fun, but managed 2 shorts while all that was going. Finally get the lines out and the wind has climbed to 15, but is still manageable as long as I'm going with it. First keeper came for our guest about then. Long story short, we made a long long run but only got about 15 total with 2 keeps. Really couldn't experiment with everybody in the boat with jigs and colors and whatnot, so I just played with line out to attempt to repeat the most productive rods, which happened to be 2 1/32 jigs with Berkly Curl tails. About this time, I'm headed into timber and the wind is W and SW, so I figured I could fish where I wanted to now, so we rolled up and ran over and shut down on the high side of where I wanted originally. Redeploy the rods and got keeper #2 along with 5 or so more on this run. Actually had 2 really, really nice fish that my guest dumped from horsing him.....both would have been over 2 and another that my youngest netted then bounced him out of the net. At this point, the wind turned north and climbed to 25 sustained. Still fishable, but uncomfortable. Plus it was pushing me over a shallow spot in that direction so I rolled up and called it quits.
Total on the day was 2 in the box, 3 more dumped and about 20 throw backs. Still not bad considering the wind and complication. Not sure with the wind I'd have been any better off on my own, so can't blame it on the kids.
Did rig one rod tipped with minnows, but really didn't give it much of a shot. Will try again next time out.
Wannabe...
Forgot to mention, I rigged 6 rods out of the back and 4 off the front. Only tangles I got were on a couple of shorts that spiralled in and snagged another line. Not bad considering all rods were 14 footers plus 4 people on the boat. Therefore, Torch is a gewber and a rank amateur.
Wannabe...
Keep on keeping on....it will get better for ya each time.