Transfering fish and game in Arkansas

Reguarding luvpt's post. I'm sure alot of us been guilty of that, myself included. I have given away tons of fish over the years. But that is the law. I think it is intended to stop double dipping. I think everyone knows what double dipping means'' catching the limit transfering them to someone and catching another limit''. Arkansas law is you must fill out a piece of paper with your information,date, number and species of fish or game transfered. Those fish apply to both yours and their limits for that day best I can remember. A warning ticket would have been better IMO . But I'm not gonna bash a WO for doing his job even when it seems harsh. The law has to be enforced equally even when we feel otherwise. Without laws some folks would take all of the resourses and leave nothing for our future.
Look in the regulation guide book and it has transfer tags in there. I'm sure 99 per cent have never used one. But it may save us a ticket in the future if we do. Not saying I totally agree with this law but it is the law. Guess I need to photocopy a transfer tag and make a ton of copies as I give away fish and game alot.

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I sure did not know this..........

That's why I could never be a wildlife officer in Arkansas. It's strictly black or white to them....no shades of gray allowed. If one of their rules has been broken either intentionally or not a ticket must be written. No empathy, compassion, feeling sorry for, innocent mistakes allowed if you are an Arkansas game and fish officer. You must be willing to write an 87 yr-old great-grandmother a ticket for no out of state license if she (although she wasn't fishing) just inadvertently handed someone a fishing pole on their own dock at Chicot!! I'm sorry but I just can't be THAT sorry a person. BTW, it isn't so bad in Louisiana. Just a year ago a buddy and I were fishing in his boat and forgot one of the life jackets still in the truck. We were checked by two WO's and they had no problem letting us go back to the truck to retrieve the other life jacket. What amazed me was that they even offered to loan us one while we fished if we couldn't find the one in the truck! Now to me, That's PUBLIC SERVICE the way it was intended as well as being a decent human being! An Arkansas officer would have thought he had batted a home run if that had happened on one of our lakes here! Like I said, I obey the rules but AGFC doesn't get any extra help from me....period! I have many other examples which are just as shocking. And I really hate to be that way but it comes from experiences with that agency (and no I have not personally ever gotten a ticket).

I beg to differ. I have asked a great many AR WO's what they would do in case of unintentional violations. The answer has always been: DEPENDS ENTIRELY ON THE ATTITUDE OF THE INDIVIDUAL/INDIVIDUALS.

Hey10-4 jig any how I will turn to the page and rip it out and put it in my wallet

Yeah. That's the best thing to. I carry several copies in my truck.

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If you didnt have the approproiate life jackets in your boat here in Ga you would get a ticket. That's the first thing checked.

The attitudes of the individuals in both cases I mentioned was nothing but apologetic and remorseful.....not a hint of argument. The 87 yr old lady was my great aunt and has never said an unkind word in her life. The only time I have ever heard of a "warning" given in Southeast Arkansas was when the facts were so clear cut that the judge would have no choice but to dismiss it. Like I said, I hate to feel the way I do about that particular agency and I am always civil to them when being checked but I still wouldn't trust a word they say. It is regretable but they haven't earned any respect at all from me with the way they have operated thus far...I hope I am wrong about them but at this point it is something that would have to be proven. Gabowman, you are right. We were fully expecting a Louisiana ticket for no lifejacket when we were checked. They were fully within their rights to do so but took it upon themselves to give us the benefit and courtesy of a doubt. We were fishing in front of the ramp and were only about 250 ft from the truck. We had that extra lifejacket in the boat within three minutes! The only way to fish and hunt around here is to always make sure you are within the law at all times. That way you will not have to worry about the hassle of a ticket and dealing with Greenjeans.

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Originally Posted by jigflinger

I beg to differ. I have asked a great many AR WO's what they would do in case of unintentional violations. The answer has always been: DEPENDS ENTIRELY ON THE ATTITUDE OF THE INDIVIDUAL/INDIVIDUALS.

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We made a big mistake in AR when we passed the 1/8 cent sales tax for AGFC. They no longer get the bulk of their revenues from the hunters and fishermen of AR, so they pretty well can thumb their noses at us.

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Originally Posted by rockmike

We made a big mistake in AR when we passed the 1/8 cent sales tax for AGFC. They no longer get the bulk of their revenues from the hunters and fishermen of AR, so they pretty well can thumb their noses at us.

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Alot of folks feel that way. You know what they say money talks and well you know.

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Originally Posted by luvpt

The attitudes of the individuals in both cases I mentioned was nothing but apologetic and remorseful.....not a hint of argument. The 87 yr old lady was my great aunt and has never said an unkind word in her life. The only time I have ever heard of a "warning" given in Southeast Arkansas was when the facts were so clear cut that the judge would have no choice but to dismiss it. Like I said, I hate to feel the way I do about that particular agency and I am always civil to them when being checked but I still wouldn't trust a word they say. It is regretable but they haven't earned any respect at all from me with the way they have operated thus far...I hope I am wrong about them but at this point it is something that would have to be proven. Gabowman, you are right. We were fully expecting a Louisiana ticket for no lifejacket when we were checked. They were fully within their rights to do so but took it upon themselves to give us the benefit and courtesy of a doubt. We were fishing in front of the ramp and were only about 250 ft from the truck. We had that extra lifejacket in the boat within three minutes! The only way to fish and hunt around here is to always make sure you are within the law at all times. That way you will not have to worry about the hassle of a ticket and dealing with Greenjeans.

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After reading your post, I don't understand your point. As you stated, if you are within the law, you don't have any reason to worry about a HASSLE or a ticket. So what's your beef? On one hand you are upset because they didn't meet your expectations. On the other you acknowledge that if you're within the law you got nothing to worry about. Kinda contradictory, isn't it? Just sayin.

Guess I need to photocopy a transfer tag and make a ton of copies as I give away fish and game alot.

I hate to disagree, and I do give some fish and game away on occasion, if the person is truly in need, or I don't have enough to make a meal, but to do it all the time is no different than taking more than your share, or double dipping. It allows people to take more than the Posession Limit, and continue to fish or hunt. It also keeps people from having to buy a liscense to hunt or fish, which affects the budget for the game and fish. Even if you give your G&F away, it should still count on YOUR possession limit. Just like deer hunting and feeding the hungry, you still only get so many tags to fill and you're through. With fish, who's counting if we don't!!!!!!!! Give fish to everybody in town, and still keep fishin just ain't right for our future!!!!!!!
Feed the world, and continue to harvest. Where does the possession limit apply?

Sorry Nim, I know you're a great person, and I didn't mean to aim at you personally, but my point needed to be made, IMO.

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I still love ya!!!!!!

Not contradictory at all Jigflinger.... The point is, don't expect to be treated like we were in Louisiana if the same thing happens in Arkansas. You WILL get a ticket regardless of the situation! Give a fish to an elderly old man who is too feeble to really even be down there watching you fish and both of you WILL GET A TICKET if you happen to not give written permission to have the fish. David should have gotten a pat on the back for helping the old guy out.....he wasn't about to go over the total limit of ten fish. But to add insult to injury the game warden gave the old man a ticket also!!!! That was simply incredible!! David said he doubted the old guy could even read...another person had driven him down there. That was in my opinion a disgrace and the game warden should have been ashamed of himself! Did he take time to explain the law and give either of them a warning like any sane right minded person would do?? NO! He saw the opportunity to write a ticket and he did it. It's like game warden training in this state stops short of teaching them how to make a judgement call based on the situation. YES, David was in violation of the law....I am not argueing that point Jigflinger. But it was clearly wrong to give them both tickets. It's simply a matter of what is Right and what is Wrong. No, they do not meet my expectations as a tax paying citizen of this state and yes I will obey the game laws so that I will not have to deal with them. No contradiction there..thats plain and simple.....don't understand why that isn't crystal clear. I also do not believe for one second that this rule will in any way prevent so called "double dipping". I do not do it but I have known people who do and believe me writting a note to someone ain't gonna make any difference whatsoever to them. That's a joke! BTW, I caught 50 slabs last Saturday and gave 35 of them away to a guy with cancer who had been wanting some Crappie. Yes, he got a note in case greenjeans knocks on his door and wants to check his freezer. BTW, what if I had stopped in Eudora on the way home from La to get a soft drink at the convenience store and a warden drove up and wanted to look at my fish. The limit at Eudora's Grand Lake is only 30. I would have a lot of explaining to do and would probably have to explain to a judge that I caught them in Louisiana where the limit was 50. If Arkansas could make it stick I think they would....even knowing full well that I had caught them somewhere else. When I leave a lake I go straight home and don't stop because I don't expect them to take anyone's word for anything. I never keep over the limit and usually give away at least half of what I catch, sometimes more. I always give them to folks who need and appreciate them and are unable to get them any other way. I feel real good about it! And if someone is upset because they think it will hurt the Crappie population and decrease the number of fish they can catch then I am sorry. If they get to where they can't catch any then I will give them some too (if they ask me nice)! I work in five counties and sometimes have folks try to buy Crappie from me. They tell me that they have bought them before. I just explain that it is illegal to buy/sell Crappie and that they will get fined if they are caught. There are apparently a lot of Crappie being sold in SE Arkansas. I know it would take a little bit of work to catch them at it but I think that is the type of things the game wardens should be worrying about instead of picking on little old ladies. Just Sayin'

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Originally Posted by BigRiverMarine

Sorry Nim, I know you're a great person, and I didn't mean to aim at you personally, but my point needed to be made, IMO.

I can hear it now. LOL
I still love ya!!!!!!

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Read the posts , if you give away your catch they still legally apply as your limit for that day. That is the reason for the tag and for persons that don't fish who don'rt have a licence. Either way they apply as your limit for the day even if you give them away.

Oh yea Big River Marine, in Arkansas if you read awhile back on here we discussed possession limits too. Legal possession limit is 2 days catch in your possession .But processed fish stored at your permenate home dos not apply. So you can legally keep a limit everyday if you clean them and haul the fish home.

When does that two-day possession limit begin? Does it start when you get back to your camp or when you leave the lake with your ice chest. Suppose a buddy brought his own vehicle because he was supposed to be on call that day and the both of you wound up with two limits. Then he leaves in his own vehicle leaving you with a two-limit ice chest on the drive back to camp. Wouldn't the buddy be required to give you a written statement that he had caught half the fish to be in strict compliance with the rule? Believe me, this situation happens quite often, at least with me. Also, I had a couple of buddies who said a warden tried to tell them they needed to have two ice chests in the boat in order to keep up with their own individual limits! I ain't gonna say what they told him....but they fished with one ice chest that day and still do!

Print it
http://www.agfc.com/hunting/Document...erWildlife.pdf

I just printed one that Billy. I give away a lot more fish than I keep.

Guys, the rule is there so that people do not double dip. If you leave wiggle room within regulations, it will be taken adavantage of every single time. We all know someone that would catch their fish and give a limit away to their wife, son, aunt, whomever so that they could keep fishing. Don't we want to keep the resource there so that future generations can enjoy the same thing we do?

luvpt, I'm very sorry that your son and aunt had a bad experience with two INDIVIDUAL wildlife officers, but you have to keep in mind, but you have to keep in mind that this is a very small sample of the overall interactions between sportsment and wildlife officers in this state. It is far from fair to say that AGFC officers are such and such generalization. I know officers from all over the state, and they are individuals with their own thoughts, opinions, and experiences. It is the same with police officers, one may write you a ticket for 1 mph over bc he/she is having a bad day, and down the road, the next cop might write you a warning for going 15 over.

I don't want to keep rehashing this. My opinion was not formed by these two instances only. I could write a book with the stories I have heard and witnessed over the past 30 years of Crappie fishing.....some tickets completely justified....but others just unbelievable. More than one involving the elderly who aren't as "up to date" as us younger folks (I don't like anybody picking on old folks!) when a kind explanation and a warning would serve the same purpose and avoid those hard feelings. As Creek advised...We will just have to agree to disagree regarding this issue and leave it at that. That's all I will say on this subject.:)

Creek, it's about time to lock it.

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Originally Posted by NIMROD

Oh yea Big River Marine, in Arkansas if you read awhile back on here we discussed possession limits too. Legal possession limit is 2 days catch in your possession .But processed fish stored at your permenate home dos not apply. So you can legally keep a limit everyday if you clean them and haul the fish home.

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I said I still love ya. LOL. I knew you would set me straight. I apologize to you if I offended you, I certainly didn't mean too!!!!!

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Originally Posted by BigRiverMarine

I said I still love ya. LOL. I knew you would set me straight. I apologize to you if I offended you, I certainly didn't mean too!!!!!

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No offense buddy, just try'n to keep the record straight.

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Originally Posted by NIMROD

Oh yea Big River Marine, in Arkansas if you read awhile back on here we discussed possession limits too. Legal possession limit is 2 days catch in your possession .But processed fish stored at your permenate home dos not apply. So you can legally keep a limit everyday if you clean them and haul the fish home.

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Of course you can keep a limit every day. Now if someone were to catch a limit, clean them, take them home and go back and catch more it's illegal. Just sayin. And according to the possession rule, you can keep 2 limits with you if they were caught on two seperate days. And to me the calendar day starts at 12:00 Midnight and ends 24 hours later. Your interpretation of one day may differ from mine. Last word rests with the WO and judge. Use your own judgement and common sense.

I don't know to many people that catch a limit everytime they go fishing, but I don't think this is the issue at all.
I've never knew of this writing a note to transfer your fish before, but on the other hand I've never read the hand booket all the way though, this is a eye opener for sure.
I fish Ms. also so I better check the hand booket on it too. This has been a great post, but sorry things happen the way they did.
This law might qualify to be a sticky here on the Ar. forum, it might save some body a lot of grief.
crappie cowboy....

I fish in MS too. I don't recall reading or seeing anything about it in their handbook. I do know that they have a law that prohibits a non-resident from harvesting a doe deer. Silly but true.

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