Handguns on Lakes controlled by Army Corps of Engineers

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10-12-2011, 04:41 PM
Bo Bryant

Handguns on Lakes controlled by Army Corps of Engineers

I was excited, having a concealed carry permits that our NC state parks will allow concealed carry as of December 1, 2011. However, in the process I came to understand that I still could not carry at any lake or state campground in which the army corp of engineers is involved. That is all of them! The state leases the land from the COE. And, their federal regulations prohibit having a loaded weapon or ammunition on their property or body of water. What a bummer!

No need to be excited about being able to conceal carry at Falls Lake. Can't do it. State leases it from the COE and they won't allow it!

Not as much freedom in this land as we think.

What do you all think?

Bo Bryant
10-12-2011, 07:21 PM
spiderkayaker

i think everyone should leave their guns at home
10-13-2011, 12:29 PM
fishduck

Dang........I guess everyone that duck hunts on those lakes better just be throwning rocks!!!!!!!
10-14-2011, 07:44 AM
painterfish

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10-14-2011, 04:55 PM
SlowToFret

I believe folks have the right to own guns, but I don't see the need to have a concealed weapon on or around the lake. Tempers are too easily flared for some minor things and having a gun on you invites more trouble than it helps. JMO
10-14-2011, 07:32 PM
shadboy

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Originally Posted by Bo Bryant

I was excited, having a concealed carry permits that our NC state parks will allow concealed carry as of December 1, 2011. However, in the process I came to understand that I still could not carry at any lake or state campground in which the army corp of engineers is involved. That is all of them! The state leases the land from the COE. And, their federal regulations prohibit having a loaded weapon or ammunition on their property or body of water. What a bummer!

No need to be excited about being able to conceal carry at Falls Lake. Can't do it. State leases it from the COE and they won't allow it!

Not as much freedom in this land as we think.

What do you all think?

Bo Bryant

The law makers word everything so that it sounds so good...but most of the time, their words are twisted lies which are constructed with the express purpose of hiding the truth from the common man while making those same common men feel good about it. That kind of stuff should be illegal. Why can't the leaders of our nation just tell the truth...like their mama's (and most importantly, God) told them to.
10-15-2011, 06:26 PM
ncnat

I carry a gun on my boat, never know when your going to run into a pirate.

Those that have quick and ill tempers more than likely can't get a CCW anyway. As an LEO I want good citizens/guns on the street.
10-15-2011, 07:32 PM
carter

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Originally Posted by spiderkayaker

i think everyone should leave their guns at home

I think we all carried our guns there would a lot less crime. If i was a crook I would pause be before I tried to rob someone if I new they were armed....
10-27-2011, 07:20 PM
greenchicken

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Originally Posted by SlowToFret

I believe folks have the right to own guns, but I don't see the need to have a concealed weapon on or around the lake. Tempers are too easily flared for some minor things and having a gun on you invites more trouble than it helps. JMO

I took the class,i had a background check done, I will carry anywhere legal. I have been mad many times at people and can't recall a single time i thought of shooting them.

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10-27-2011, 07:48 PM
alamancecreek

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Originally Posted by ncnat

Those that have quick and ill tempers more than likely can't get a CCW anyway. As an LEO I want good citizens/guns on the street.

Well said.
10-30-2011, 09:22 AM
greenchicken

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Originally Posted by ncnat

I carry a gun on my boat, never know when your going to run into a pirate.

Those that have quick and ill tempers more than likely can't get a CCW anyway. As an LEO I want good citizens/guns on the street.

Absolutely.... And that is the opinion of the majority of the LEO's I have came across, I came up to a license check and as soon as I drove up I did as I should and told him I had a CCW, he asked are you carrying? I said yes, his reply was "Good" have a nice night. The law abiding citizen is not the one a man has to worry about getting shot by, the man to worry about is the criminal that is about to rob you or shoot you for the few dollars you have in your wallet. I don't want to see more gun laws but I do want to see that anyone who uses a gun in the commission of a felony do mandatory federal time without time off for good behavior. If a man is willing to go to jail for the rest of his life to kill you, there is not much you can do to prevent it, and that same guy with the temper could just as easily mow you over with his pickup truck and kill as easily as pulling a trigger. My gun is to protect me & my family, I would do anything possible to avoid shooting someone including leaving the scene.
10-30-2011, 12:52 PM
Bobby J

Quote:

Originally Posted by ncnat

I carry a gun on my boat, never know when your going to run into a pirate.

Those that have quick and ill tempers more than likely can't get a CCW anyway. I want good citizens/guns on the street.

What he said.
10-31-2011, 10:02 AM
Mcslabs

Never been a gun that harmed anyone on its own
10-31-2011, 10:13 PM
Kellog

Guns are like Pit Bulls. When treated properly the are sweet and cuddly. But, if they are handled with the intent of being mean they will bite.

I sold long guns and hand guns at a local hardware & sporting goods store for 14 years. The funniest thing I ever saw was a women came in and started down the isle were my display was. Apparently she didn't know we sold firearms, because when she saw the handguns laying in the display she freaked out and went running to the other side of the store saying that she didn't want to get shot. Those handguns never once rose up off the display shelf and starting taking pot-shots.
11-03-2011, 05:00 PM
Talkinquack

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Originally Posted by fishduck

Dang........I guess everyone that duck hunts on those lakes better just be throwning rocks!!!!!!!

I guess I better start collecting rocks then since I duck hunt. LOL I'm a LEO and I will carry my handgun everywhere in NC where I'm allowed too. I'm allowed to carry it anywhere except at the Federal Court house. If I don't see any signs around the lake prohibiting it then I will carry it! I think a person with a CCW should be allowed to carry it on the lake. You'd be surprised how many people carry them out there and they don't have a CCW.
11-03-2011, 05:07 PM
greenchicken

This kinda reminds me of the stores that have no weapons signs on their doors.... I wonder if they think that the guy getting ready to rob them cares if that sign is there or not?
11-04-2011, 06:06 PM
REDBOAT

I was in Salt Lake Ciy for a work a few years ago.. I am under the impression that they are pretty liberal when it comes to gun laws.. I saw "Posted" signs in alot of storefronts...I'd never want to live there though as they don't allow real beer! LOL
11-04-2011, 07:11 PM
Talkinquack

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Originally Posted by greenchicken

This kinda reminds me of the stores that have no weapons signs on their doors.... I wonder if they think that the guy getting ready to rob them cares if that sign is there or not?

And after they get robbed they wish someone with a CCW permit was in the store!!!
11-04-2011, 07:41 PM
greenchicken

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Originally Posted by Talkinquack

And after they get robbed they wish someone with a CCW permit was in the store!!!

Simple solution.... I don't do business anywhere they can't provide me security or allow me to provide my own.

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11-08-2011, 10:34 PM
SnowCamp

Firing Fee

Don't know how we got on this topic but I'm prompted to share. I usually have a handgun in the car but not in the boat. Not yet fearful enough to carry everywhere I go, though I can't guarantee that won't change; Nor am I itching to experience a gunfight (couple of years of combat in the army cured me of my curiousity). I do want to remind everyone who carries legally or illegally not to let a gun in your pocket prompt you to take risks. It might not turn out like you planned. If it doesn't cost you your life, it can still cause you money. You can't forget the $25,000 firing fee.

If you're involved in a "gun incident", you're liable to be arrested and taken to jail while the LEOs figure out who did what to whom for what reason. If you need a criminal lawyer to defend you in a capital case, he'll probably want $25K up front. If you're a member of the NRA, they may step in to help defend you. But in the mean time, you need legal representation and bail so that you can get out and earn back the money you just spent on legal representation. (I've also got a $1,000,000 rider insurance policy, that costs me between $300 and $400 a year, in case somebody sues me.)

I have an old friend who had to pay that "firing fee" when he fired on his brother-in-law's car in self defense when he confronted the BIL who then tried to run him over. He later said that if he hadn't had a gun in his pocket, he wouldn't have put himself in that position. The gun saved his life and he was acquitted, but it cost him $25K. Not confronting his BIL would have been a lot less dangerous and a lot cheaper.

The truth is that the odds that the vast majority of us will ever need to use a gun to defend ourselves are extremely low. (and remember your training... you don't get to defend a stranger on the street. YOU have to be in eminent danger).
11-09-2011, 06:50 AM
papadave

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Originally Posted by Talkinquack

And after they get robbed they wish someone with a CCW permit was in the store!!!

Absolutely! The only thing that could make me feel safer than having a gun pointed in my direction is having two guns pointed in my general direction.
11-09-2011, 07:39 AM
Kellog

The new gun laws that go into effect the first of December in NC are supposed to be in favor of anyone who has to use deadly force in self defense. I bet though that there legal loop holes that still puts the innocent defender in jeopardy with the law.
11-09-2011, 02:03 PM
greenchicken

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnowCamp

Don't know how we got on this topic but I'm prompted to share. I usually have a handgun in the car but not in the boat. Not yet fearful enough to carry everywhere I go, though I can't guarantee that won't change; Nor am I itching to experience a gunfight (couple of years of combat in the army cured me of my curiousity). I do want to remind everyone who carries legally or illegally not to let a gun in your pocket prompt you to take risks. It might not turn out like you planned. If it doesn't cost you your life, it can still cause you money. You can't forget the $25,000 firing fee.

If you're involved in a "gun incident", you're liable to be arrested and taken to jail while the LEOs figure out who did what to whom for what reason. If you need a criminal lawyer to defend you in a capital case, he'll probably want $25K up front. If you're a member of the NRA, they may step in to help defend you. But in the mean time, you need legal representation and bail so that you can get out and earn back the money you just spent on legal representation. (I've also got a $1,000,000 rider insurance policy, that costs me between $300 and $400 a year, in case somebody sues me.)

I have an old friend who had to pay that "firing fee" when he fired on his brother-in-law's car in self defense when he confronted the BIL who then tried to run him over. He later said that if he hadn't had a gun in his pocket, he wouldn't have put himself in that position. The gun saved his life and he was acquitted, but it cost him $25K. Not confronting his BIL would have been a lot less dangerous and a lot cheaper.

The truth is that the odds that the vast majority of us will ever need to use a gun to defend ourselves are extremely low. (and remember your training... you don't get to defend a stranger on the street. YOU have to be in eminent danger).

Great post...

I would still rather be alive with a lawsuit than dead with a tombstone....