Anyone having any problems with them breaking??? Either in the 90* bend or the eye of the hook???
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Anyone having any problems with them breaking??? Either in the 90* bend or the eye of the hook???
Pbug sounds like you got a batch that didn't get the temper taken out of them. Had that happen to a batch of mustad hooks years ago. Just threw them away and marked it up to a cost of business.
I have not used the red ones but the bronzed ones haven't had any trouble with. I will say that there are a number in a box of a thousand that are mis-shaped and missing eyes and incomplete eye bends. Think that most of these come out of the Pacific rim countries mostly China. So it is not a surprise that you are having some trouble with a batch. They have the cheap labor but not a lot of the technology to do things right 100% of the time.
Have to sometimes take what we can get and do the best with what we got.
Redman
So true redman, but everyone wants the sickles. And there is no other company that makes them. So thats why were stuck buying them...
My only breaks so far is down near the bend from being pulled from a brushpile once to often.
Had that problem a few year back, but it was the bronze one that time. Their QC leaves a lot to be desired, but nothing that sharp that doesn't coat a lot more. I even had them breaking while I was tying them.
Skip
Remember that story Skip a nightmare for everyone involved. As I have had to make tools in the past I have had to harden and temper steel. I can tell you if you don't get steel tempered just right or leave it hard. it is as brittle as a pane of glass and will break much easier than glass. a drop of just a few inches will make it shatter or break.
Being made in China one of the prisoners I mean workers forgets to turn on the tempering flame. There is 300 or 400 hooks that are harder than nails and will bend but also will break. They may work for a while but then ??????? powder paint and a oven cure may help a little. The temp needs to be some where around 400 degrees if my memory severs me right.
Redman
also dont forget a hook is heted to make the 90 bend, then heated and coated gold, then reheated to coat red. So a red hook is heated 3 maybe 4 times. Only time I had them break is when I tie on them. I have noticed though I have yet to have a eagle claw or or a VMC to break.
Some are heated or forged, but generally not. I looked into a hook machine, quite amazing machines. Most of them roll the eye first, the put the bend in and then the bite and lastly they shear the wire and slice it for the barb. But there are a few different kinds of machines out there now. Some of the big manufacturers buy their own hook machines too. I saw one machine that made between 3-5 per second, to bad I can't pour em that fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by PBUG2009
lol i hear you 3-5 a sec man I make some major $$$$$
Those machines are a wonder. Just think what it cost to load a spool of wire in to one of them. They do a good job for what we ask them to do. Just wonder how many hooks they get out of a spool of wire?
Redman
Redman,
Thats an intereseting point, I know Eagle Claw packages by weight. I also wonder if they buy their wire already sized or if they temper by dies and heat. All interesting things, modern metallurgy is pretty cool.
My guess is that they buy the wire all ready sized. Run it thur the machine and a nother machine weighs and packages the hooks. Just think of the time involved in having someone count out a hundred hooks let alone a 1k. Maximum amount of profit from mimnium amount of time. Follow the money!!!!
Redman