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With the 4-Stroke revolution going on, I wanted YOUR opinion on the Pros and Cons of the Yamaha HPDI and the Yamaha 4-Strokes. All opinions will be welcome, and there is no right or wrong answer. JUST A SURVEY. I want to hear your personal preferences.
I have a 90 two stroke and love it. If I were to re-power, I would go with the four stroke though. I would seriously consider a Suzuki 4 stroke also since they are great motors and I've been told they are cheaper than the Yammies. Oil is getting too expensive. In the larger motors, the new Yamaha SHO 4 stroke is supposed to be the cats meow.
x2, very well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by feelay
My Yamaha 115 two stroke is 11 years old and have never had a minutes trouble. My dad had a 115 4 stroke that blew all to pieces just after the warranty ran out. Yamaha actually sent a tech down and covered all of the labor expenses and only charged him for the parts. That would be the reasons i would stay with yamahas. Either one would be fine with me. My next one will prolly be a 4 stroke just for the fuel and oil savings. Although I've heard very good things about the Etech. Not opposed to tryin one of them too.
My Yammy 4 stroke is the best outboard I've ever owned.
Well this is kinda a loaded question, How big of a motor are we talking? If its under a 115 i would say the grey 4 strokes for sure. Bullet proof motor. Im not sure how true this is, but I was told that Yammie is not making the HPDI 2 strokers anymore. That narrows your search for BIG motors to the SHO. However the V-MAX HPDI and the V-MAX HPDI Series 2 are awsome high HP motors.
I am on my second Yamaha four stroke....my first was a 115 and I used it for 5 years, now I have a 90. I have had no problems with these motors and I really like them.
I moved the thread per request of BigRiver.....
I wondered what was going onQuote:
Originally Posted by Slab
Love my Merc 75 4-stroke, smooth & quiet.
I'm a big fan of Silver/Gray Yammie 4 strokes. Only owned one and now I'm running a black EFI with a fuel line the size of a garden hose and Wal-Mart Quicksilver oil is up to $30 a gallon - bleh!
Anyhow, for most of us, up to 115, the 4 stroke is the way to go. Suzuki goes up to 140 though if you need a little more oomph and I've always heard good things out of them. But bigger is right, for sheer power to weight, you can't beat a 2 stroke and direct injection is the best game in town for that. Not sure if Yammie quite making their large regular 4 strokes. Got confused because on the big salt boats, they had some silver/gray motors that looked like 4 strokes but were actually hpdi's.
I'm still a hold out of the SHO. The Verado was pretty much a bomb due to weight, but seem to be reliable as a they can be. The SHO has overcome the weight somewhat and the power is there, but I'm reserving judgement until some of them pop and see what causes it and what the repairs are like. I keep hearing the block is not repairable due to the alloys used, but don't know if that's true.
Anyway, for the way I fish, if money were no object, regardless of the boat, I'd put the max rated silver/gray Yammie 4 stroke on it. If I couldn't get a 4 stroke of sufficient size, I'd be tempted to go with an SHO (if money were no object)
Wannabe...
Sorry guys, I posted in the wrong place. Thanks Slab. Great stuff so far. Thanks for your replies. I AM listening. I also sell the Suzuki, and the Etecs, but wanted your thought as to whether you would purchase an HPDI or the 4-Stroke Yammy, and your experiences with them. Thanks Agsin, and keep em coming.
Hey BigRiver, check your PM's.
my thoughts exactly, the gas and oil savings are just crazy, especially gas, HOWEVER, the one time i would buy a two stroke is for duck hunting , jumping logs, ect. that 4 stroke is soooo heavy to lift up and down.Quote:
Originally Posted by yikess
When I was forced to repower from my evinrude I went with the yammy 200 sho. I have only ran it for 20 hours now but so far I definitely like it. My hole shot is better and the top end is 9 mph faster than the evinrude 2 stroke was. As far as quiet goes..ask DD. I was on the phone with him running 50 mph and he could not hear my motor and I could hear him well enough to carry on a conversation with no trouble at all.
Well wait till the timing belt breaks and bends every valve in the motor and you have a repair bill for more than the motor is worth. I like changing my oil everytime I run my motor.
I have a touring bass pro buddy that put a Susuki 4 stroke 200hp on his Ranger and he said he would never own anything else but a Susuki 4 stroke.
I've sold 350 Suzy's of all sizes and NEVER had a warranty claim!!! I know somebody will have one, but not yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by crappiholic
Ive only sold three of the 200 SHO's, so I'm still waiting to see also. Over all though no problems. That's from Yamaha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wannabe...
I was told by a yammi dealer that the grey 4 strokes were too slow out of the hole for big glass boats unless you were running duals. To get the hole shot you would have to prop it way down and the motor would be running higher than suggested rpms and it would blow. The sho and other supercharged 4 strokes are a different animal tho.
Suzuki seems to differ with ya Bigger.
http://www.suzukimarine.com/uploads/...DF250SS_11.pdf
http://www.suzukimarine.com/uploads/..._DF250SS_s.pdf
http://www.suzukimarine.com/uploads/..._DF250SS_s.pdf
The 250SS weighs in at a whopping 578 lbs. Don't think it's supercharged.
Check the hole shot time on the Bullet - 5.78 seconds to 30 mph. Not amazing, but not bad. The Puma was 8.02 seconds...slow, but doable....not sure how it'd behave with a Feelay or two in the boat though.
Yes, hole shot will suffer with the big 4 strokes, but I'm not buying a boat to try and pull 4 Gs from a standstill to 30 mph.
Wannabe...
Yammie seems to think you's an idjit too.
http://www.yamaha-motor.com/assets/p...tlr-050807.pdf
http://www.yamaha-motor.com/assets/p...tlr-050807.pdf
http://www.yamaha-motor.com/assets/p...0i-f225tlr.pdf
Test shows stinky top end and instead of 0 to 30, they post seconds to plane. Sort of a subjective point to me. Also the F225 checks in at 586 lbs vs 578 on the 250SS Suzuki. Only a few pounds difference, but a lighter additional 25 horses sounds more better to me. Then again, comparing an SHO might be more apples to apples.
Wannabe...
2-stroke are sure cheaper to have repaired.
And service.Quote:
Originally Posted by creekslick
Shaddup Minner. Anybody that thinks E-tecs are good ain't allowed to participate on account of the anti-ignernt clause in the survey stipulations.
Wannabe...
We are 4-stroke Suzuki fans all the way. He has a 140 on the 28 ft. toon with almost 400 hours on it. It's a 2004 bought new in 2004. I have a 115 hp 2007 bought new in box in 2009 and I'm unsure of the hours on it right now. We've had no issues with either one. Very quiet and very economical on fuel. It's our third Zuki 4-stroke and we'd drive 200 miles out of the way to get another if we were buying.
Please call ME when that day comes. ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by C N
Yes, sir!Quote:
Originally Posted by BigRiverMarine
ok, one of you mentined service being expensive on the SHO. I found my 20 service invoice and it was 241 bucks. That was for oil change, tune up, lower unit, plugs, and computer hook up to make sure everything was good to go. Not too much more than my evinrude was it ran about 200.00 for a full service job. Now the SHO does not have to be checked again until 50 hours.
I think they were talking about a major repair....say an ECU goes bad, or a valve starts knocking. Take a look at that manual and tell me how many hours until a scheduled timing belt replacement? Bet that's gonna pinch a little. That being said, bet it's way north of 500 hours.....maybe even 1,000.
Wannabe...