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I put 2oz on my line about 3 feet up and tried to stay around 1.5mph, I really couldnt tell how deep I was runnin the crankbaits until I ran up into around 11 feet and the pole I had a 200 on started to drag bottom, I looked at that reel and it was according to the line counter I had 22 feet out. so I really dont know how deep I was running most of the time :confused: any advice ? Oh yea, caught one baby striper :(
Did you cast out or just let the line down? For me the line counters are more accurate if I just let the line down. Also if your spool is not full of line to 1/8 of a inch from the top you will get inaccurate readings.
G, just let them straight down and I am pretty sure the line is up close to the 1/8 from top or right at it. Will have to check to make sure. As I moved the line looked as though it was pointing backwards (toward back of boat) at a 45 degree angle.
With the weight on your line just let out to the depth you want. Be sure to set your counter at zero before you let out.
According to my cyphering, at 45 degrees, you would be running at 50% of your line length. Which is verified by your hitting bottom in 11' of water with 22' of line out.
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Thanks AR, I wonder if that would hold true if you are pulling a 300 instead of a 200 like was on that pole ??Quote:
Originally Posted by ArToolMan
artoolman that is more like a 30 dg. at a 45 it is 1.45 times the hipotonuce a 60 dg. is i.65
maachuu.....you need to weight your lines so they will not lay back so much.
maachuu, just get ES over there and get him to dive in and check for you. He is purty good at depth location
G, I guess I will have to go to 3oz instead of 2. I 8 and 10 lb on these, dont know if that will make a big difference or notQuote:
Originally Posted by "G"
Ok, just thought of something else, G, I fixed the loop in my line like you were talkin bout and I put the bait 3ft below the loop knot, now when I let down, I pulled up to the loop knot and zeroed out my line counters, if the weight is hangin say at 12ft, does the crank dive deeper ?
Sure does a little bit.......it is limited by the length of your line between it and the weight though.Quote:
Originally Posted by maachuu
when we are pulling cranks, our down rod with a 2 oz. weight runs 12-14 ft. deep with 22 ft. of line out.
Maachuu I use a 3 oz and started pushing rattle traps instead of cranks. They seem to get more vertical instead of dragging behind the weight. When you only have about 15 fol out the line stays pretty vertical but the more you let out the worse it will drag. I tried using two 3 oz weights at Sardis because we were in 35 to 40 fow. But it did not seem to help too much when you let out alot of line.
I usually only push shallow
Your right SuperTech rattletraps work good
G, what you call shallow ? I mean do pull 12 feet over 26ft or how you do ?Quote:
Originally Posted by "G"
Yes Paula was catching dinks and a few keepers pulling bandits and even though I only caught a few pushing out the front they were big 2 pounders!Quote:
Originally Posted by "G"
SuperTech, I have some traps coming and was wandering what colors I should paint them ? should I do some of the combo's like me and Scott have done on bandits ?Quote:
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thanks
maachuu
I pull anywhere from 6 to 9 ft. in 12 FOW when I am just pushing. Most of the time I pull though ( deeper water) and when I pull I usually push a couple of poles at the same time just to cover some water closer to the surface..Quote:
Originally Posted by maachuu
They are going to like the same colors on the traps as they do bandits
I would think the same colors would be good. I just have a few that I have pick up. Most of them are some kind of silver shad pattern with different colors on top
I'm dumb. Help me not be so.
I read the 101 thread for kicks but never really planned on trying any of it Bc I don't really have a boat boat, buuut I thought when you're pushing, the heavy wait above would keep it NEAR the depth of line you let out?
Say if i wanted to run in the 10 ft range, I'd let out 12 at most?
Not really. At crankbait pulling speeds say 1.5 to 2.0, there's a good amount of angle back on the lines so the cranks rise up somewhere between some and a lot. Best you can do is guestimate and deduct for the angle.
Wannabe...
Has anyone experimented with lead line?
So, if you are wanting to @ a depth of 12 feet, you spool out 12 feet of line? Is 2 oz. optimum weight for 200 Bandit?Quote:
Originally Posted by "G"
Some folks ain't readin what he's sayin. He said his lines are at a 45* angle toward the back of the boat. Now ifn you jus let out 12' of line it ain't gonna be 12' deep. I don't care how much weight is on it. It's gonna be closer to 8' deep. I mean, ifn he puts 3 pounds of weight on it and the lines are still angled back, the bait has risen.
If you are pushing 300's the big lip of the bait will cause more angle in the water because of the drag of the lip biting more water compared to a 200, 100, or a lipless bait. So the bait will ride higher in the water column. For pushing I like the baits with the smaller lips because the weights are getting it to the depth I want to run without the angle putting the bait back under or near the boat. It also lets me know that my line counters are more accurate to the depth I want to fish.
yea I pushed a few 100s with 5 oz of weight. but I did mine like a drop-shot rig... At 2 mph I still had a little angle in the line, but it was only enough to create a 2ft diff in the amt of line I had out and the depth I was running(judging off water depth)
I pushed cranks for the 1st time Sunday morning. 2oz lead 4' above 200 series Bandit at 1.5 mph with 10 lbs hiviz Viscious mono. Line counters zero'd at the lead. Stayed in 15-20 FOW and I could see a heavy line across my depth finder (Humminbird 858c using US2 on M/K PD) just under the 10' mark when my line counter said 15'. I let more line out and reel up some while watching the depth finder and the line on the depth finder would move accordingly up or down. I was using 16 & 14' poles straight out the front. If I let more than 20' of line out I would loose the line on the depth finder. I am guessing because the bait/lead had passed to far behind the 'ducer to read them. Caught fish that I was marking when I kept the "line" (baits) running just above schools. I will check the next trip over deeper water and more line out to see if the rear transducer will pick up the baits so I can get a better read on how much lead/line will = a certain running depth. Thumbs Up
I've either read or heard Kent Driscoll say that with a 2oz weight that the crank will run at half the depth of the length of line out, it sounds like your results were in line with that. Thats what I go by when I push them. I think the most important thing is being able to repeat what you did when you catch a fish. If you have good electronics and know how to use them you may be able to get on them faster by knowing exactly how deep your baits are running but I'm not at that level, I use trial and error until I see a pattern and then I try to repeat it on all my poles.Quote:
Originally Posted by maachuu
I've heard it was line out divided by 2 + 1 or 2. 30'~2=15+1=16 or +2=17.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigKyd
I think that was the driscoll formula for pulling.