Man this boat buying can get under your skin real quick or at least mine

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06-13-2011, 09:42 PM
maachuu

Man this boat buying can get under your skin real quick or at least mine

went with son to finalize his purchase and they didnt have boat finished so a burnt run today, said it would be ready in the morning for sure. I got to looking at his "buyers order" and look and see this charge on there "PPS 899.00" and ask them what it was, then it got exciting :) they told me that was for the additional 2yr Mercury warranty on the motor and a 5 year warranty on the electronics, I called their hand cause at the other dealership they had sign up everywhere that said somthing like "sign and ride for 5 year Merc warranty" which would be them giving him an extra 2 years. Well we went round a little while and just told them to give his deposit back and we would talk it over and let them know in the next day or 2 and loaded up and came home. He was a little depressed that he might not get that particular boat but I explained to him that I didnt like the way they tried to get him on that and If I hadnt come with him to check it out they would have succeeded and then it would have been to late. They did tell me that the extra warranty covered the trolling motor and all electronics for 5 years but I just dont know if its worth it. I mean gauges, trolling motor and what else, Im not sure, it it is aerators, bilge pumps, and what other things I might be missing. I thought well the would cover the trim and tilt but wouldnt that be covered under the warranty on the motor ? I dont mind him paying it if its worth it but just didnt like the way the just added it and didnt tell him. Is the extra worth it ? any of you guys familiar with the warranty they are referring to ?

Thanks

Larry
06-13-2011, 10:04 PM
majflyboy

Larry, it's just like any other car/boat/atv dealership, get everything in writing.
06-14-2011, 05:45 AM
ATM

Cancelling a decision a grown man and his wife made together is a position I would have stayed out of. Did his wife revoke his man card when he went home and told her Daddy wouldn't let them buy that boat? Sounds like you emberassed him when YOU told the dealership to cancel his order; I know I would have been emberassed.
If he is in a position at 23 years old to be able to buy a $15,000 boat he is obviously doing alot right. Sounds like you need to back off, gently offer advice, and just be proud of him. An $899 mistake isn't that significant. Lord knows I have made many much more costly.
Just my 2 cents worth.
06-14-2011, 06:42 AM
torch

well on a tracker the TM cost 300.00 to replace and 99.00 for fish finder. Mercury has a 5 year warranty from the factory. I would not pay it either. Dealers get you with all these add ons.
06-14-2011, 06:49 AM
maachuu

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Originally Posted by ArToolMan

Cancelling a decision a grown man and his wife made together is a position I would have stayed out of. Did his wife revoke his man card when he went home and told her Daddy wouldn't let them buy that boat? Sounds like you emberassed him when YOU told the dealership to cancel his order; I know I would have been emberassed.
If he is in a position at 23 years old to be able to buy a $15,000 boat he is obviously doing alot right. Sounds like you need to back off, gently offer advice, and just be proud of him. An $899 mistake isn't that significant. Lord knows I have made many much more costly.
Just my 2 cents worth.

Thanks but I wasnt gonna let him lose 899 and he actually told them he wanted his money back after we discussed it. He sent me a text this morning thanking me for being there with him yesterday and helping him not to screw up :) Guess he thinks different than you do :)
06-14-2011, 06:50 AM
maachuu

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Originally Posted by torch

well on a tracker the TM cost 300.00 to replace and 99.00 for fish finder. Mercury has a 5 year warranty from the factory. I would not pay it either. Dealers get you with all these add ons.

Thanks Torch, I just didnt know exactly what the extra warranty covered and if it was like the gauges, a TM I just dont see paying it. I also didnt like the idea that they told him he had all these warranty coverages and lead him to believe that it was the way the setup came. When I saw the 899 on there and ask him what it was, he didnt even know :(
06-14-2011, 06:54 AM
ATM

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Originally Posted by maachuu

Thanks but I wasnt gonna let him lose 899 and he actually told them he wanted his money back after we discussed it.

Are you gonna let him lose $3,000+ in depreciation when he tows it off the lot?
06-14-2011, 06:56 AM
maachuu

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArToolMan

Are you gonna let him lose $3,000+ in depreciation when he tows it off the lot?

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06-14-2011, 07:00 AM
maachuu

Quote:

Originally Posted by majflyboy

Larry, it's just like any other car/boat/atv dealership, get everything in writing.

Thanks maj
06-14-2011, 08:07 AM
maachuu

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArToolMan

Cancelling a decision a grown man and his wife made together is a position I would have stayed out of. Did his wife revoke his man card when he went home and told her Daddy wouldn't let them buy that boat? Sounds like you emberassed him when YOU told the dealership to cancel his order; I know I would have been emberassed.
If he is in a position at 23 years old to be able to buy a $15,000 boat he is obviously doing alot right. Sounds like you need to back off, gently offer advice, and just be proud of him. An $899 mistake isn't that significant. Lord knows I have made many much more costly.
Just my 2 cents worth.

AR after reading your post a few more times, what you say is very true in most cases and I tend to agree with, but my dad wouldnt have never even bothered to help me. My son and myself have a relationship that is like friends to a degree. I discussed everything that went on and advised him and he made the final calls on all the deal. He wasnt at all happy of the way they had promised him certains and then didnt produce and the fact that they put some things in there that they didnt bother to tell him about either. I work in sales and I believe in full disclosure on every motorcycle, atv, pwc that I sell and I had expected that from them. Your point is well made and Im sure it would apply to most case but I guess I came across as "I" took control and all I did was steer him in the direction I thought was best and he made the calls. The man card thingy, well not a big deal :) his is a Christian young man and that is the man card I am proudest of for him :)
06-14-2011, 08:27 AM
"G"

Go to Sherm's Marine in Amory, MS. and let Tommy Thornton put him in a new PolarCraft or a SeaArk........tell Tommy that David Shands sent you. He will shoot straight with you and do you right. You can also get the boat rigged with any TM or FF that you want instead of the cheapies that normally come with them.
06-14-2011, 08:35 AM
Wannabe...

$900 for a free warranty? Phooey. Agree with Torch. Don't need it and it's over priced. The extended on the motor is worth paying for....except it's free on their promotion right now.

From the way your story read, I see AR's point, but from your clarification, I don't see a thing wrong with the way you went about it.

Wannabe...
06-14-2011, 08:39 AM
ATM

maachuu it wasn't my intentions to offend. But after reading your posts the last couple of days about this it seemed you were being a bit heavy handed. That's one of the pitfalls of communicating online; you don't get the benefits of ones voice or emotions. Sounds like you a have a fine son whom your proud of.
Now, back to your subject. I'm a retired sales manager, and understand the ethics of selling. To put it bluntly, I would advise him to NEVER do business with anyone that put ANYTHING on a buyers order that we had not previously agreed on.
I don't know what area you are shopping, but Counce Marine in Memphis has a 5 year old War Eagle Tomahawk with a 115 Yammy for $18,000. It's a "demo" that has been used by the owner. I would guess that is in the ballpark of what he is looking to spend, maybe a little more.
06-14-2011, 08:57 AM
maachuu

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArToolMan

maachuu it wasn't my intentions to offend. But after reading your posts the last couple of days about this it seemed you were being a bit heavy handed. That's one of the pitfalls of communicating online; you don't get the benefits of ones voice or emotions. Sounds like you a have a fine son whom your proud of.
Now, back to your subject. I'm a retired sales manager, and understand the ethics of selling. To put it bluntly, I would advise him to NEVER do business with anyone that put ANYTHING on a buyers order that we had not previously agreed on.
I don't know what area you are shopping, but Counce Marine in Memphis has a 5 year old War Eagle Tomahawk with a 115 Yammy for $18,000. It's a "demo" that has been used by the owner. I would guess that is in the ballpark of what he is looking to spend, maybe a little more.

Understood AR, it is tough not taking control but I have been doing my best to be a consultant and not a Dictator :) I myself would have bought a different boat but again, its not my call. I discussed everything with him and let him make the final call. He just got frustrated from yesterday morning when they had told him friday that it would be ready monday and when he called yesterday they said they didnt tell him that and it would be thursday or friday. it seems strange that once I called and talked to them and expressed my thoughts the boat was ready for pickup yesterday evening, they had even taken it to the water and checked it out. That was the kinda thing he was getting the run around on, he is all pumped up and the deflated him pretty quick yesterday. He did learn some lessons and I know I can oversee everything he does but I just hate the fact that some folks take advantage of young buyers and that is what really got me involved :)
06-14-2011, 08:58 AM
maachuu

Quote:

Originally Posted by "G"

Go to Sherm's Marine in Amory, MS. and let Tommy Thornton put him in a new PolarCraft or a SeaArk........tell Tommy that David Shands sent you. He will shoot straight with you and do you right. You can also get the boat rigged with any TM or FF that you want instead of the cheapies that normally come with them.

Thanks G, will give them a call for him this morning, he got called into the hospital for a shift and wont get off till 11 tonight

m
06-14-2011, 08:09 PM
Cray

Maachuu, recently read a post on NC board where guy went through same thing. He went to SC dealer and got same boat with upgrade trolling motor and all the warranties for listed price no add ons. Thanks for being there for your son. I feel that is our responsibility as parents. I for one wish I could have had one to direct me when I was making all the mistakes I've made over the years. Would be a lot wiser and better off financially. LoL
06-14-2011, 08:17 PM
maachuu

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Originally Posted by cray

Maachuu, recently read a post on NC board where guy went through same thing. He went to SC dealer and got same boat with upgrade trolling motor and all the warranties for listed price no add ons. Thanks for being there for your son. I feel that is our responsibility as parents. I for one wish I could have had one to direct me when I was making all the mistakes I've made over the years. Would be a lot wiser and better off financially. LoL

Thanks cray, just tryin to keep him from makin the same mistakes I did, he will make plenty of them that I have not dealt with. The world is differnt that it was when I was his age back in the late 70's :)
06-14-2011, 08:40 PM
Hook One

Go deal Mac and G is telling you right.
06-14-2011, 08:41 PM
EmptyStringer

No way in heck I will ever buy new. Too many deals to be had on boats that have barely been broken in